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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: renard on Monday 23 January 12 14:02 GMT (UK)
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I have posted previously on this subject, but now have a little more information,so hope someone can help, or can point me where to try next
My grt. grt.grt. Grandmother Mary Brown Pickard married James Rannie or Rennie[Mary did have a child Alexander Webster prior to marrying James this child was brought up by Mary's parents]
James and Mary married November 16th 1848 St. Fergus Banffshire
OPR says both of this Parish, I know that Mary was born in Longside.
Son William born January 1849 not sure of exact birth date but baptised on the 7th January, William born in Longside .
1851 census Mary living at King Edward with son William Mary listed as head of the household also listed as married James is not present
Have not been able to find any member of this family on a census after 1851
Daughter Elizabeth born 6th August 1851 Fyvie
Mary Anne Dinnes Rennie born 15 February 1868 Millbrex, Jmes was not the father of this child as Mary is now described as a widow.
My problem is that I can find no trace of James can't find him on a census and have searched all the death records on Scotlands people for James Rannie or Rennie from 1850 to 1868 and nothing seems to fit.
Hope that someone has some knowledge of this family, or can give me an idea of what to try next, as I seem to have come to a dead end.
Jim
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Hi Jim :)
Looking at the 1861 census records there is a Mary Rannie age 35 with a William age 12 and an Elisabeth age 9 living Fyvie Aberdeenshire
Just looking at the index(SP) so I don't have any other details
ev
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Hi
Also with Mary on the 1861 are two further children John Mutch (7) and Joseph McKay (3) both born Fyvie and both described as Marys sons
Norma
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Hi Norma,
The plot thickens,I have never heard of them, will go and look now
and see if its my Mary.
Thanks
Jim
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Jim
On the 1871 census MAry Pritchard is living at Lethenty Parochial Lodging House with her daughter Elizabeth and daughter Mary Ann Davie (according to Ancestry) All are described as paupers No trace of the boys
On the 1881 census Mary Rennie is described as an ag lab and living at 5 Union Square Inverurie with daughters Elizabeth and Mary A D Rennie.
Norma
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The Fyvie parochial board records are in the archives in Dunbar Street in Aberdeen. They could give you useful information about Mary and her family, including, perhaps, information about James Rennie. The Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire Archives website has their catalogue which will tell you whether the poor law books for Fyvie for that period survive. There is an index to the books at the archive.
Graham.
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Thanks for the info Graham
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The IGI has Joseph Rennie b. 8th Aug 1857 Fyvie Aberdeen
mother Mary Rennie or Pickard
ev
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Hi Ev,
Yes Joseph is Mary's son Mary is a widow by this time, can't find a birth for the other boy, neither as much Pickard Rannie or Rennie according to the 1861 census he was born in King Edward but can't find birth anywhere
if his age is correct on the census he would have been born around 1853 1854.
One would also presume that Mary was a widow by that time Can only find two deaths for a James Rannie in that time one in Slains in 1850 to soon to be correct one in Fyvie January 1851 just possible daughter Elisabeth was born in
August.
OPR of James Rannies death gives no details of his marital status age has been scored out and the figure 80 written along side.
After his name what looks like the word fifty is written but its not clear either way quite an age difference from Mary.
OPR of Elizabeth's birth states to James Rannie of Gourdas a daughter by his wife Mary Pickard, this may not be the exact wording but is close
Would it not state if James had died prior to the birth.
Please excuse my ignorance, could someone put me right on this.
Thanks in advance
Jim
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OPR of James Rannies death gives no details of his marital status age has been scored out and the figure 80 written along side.
After his name what looks like the word fifty is written but its not clear either way quite an age difference from Mary.
According to the M.I.,this James Rannie, farmer in Tifty, died 7th January 1851 aged 80. He was a widower of Jean Cruickshank. So this would rule out this James as being the husband of your Mary.
flst
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The word that looks like "fifty" is probably Tifty. This is an area with farms and crofts very close to Gourdas. The OPR burial records for Fyvie records the lairs people were buried in. It allows you to see who else is buried with a person. There is also a list of families and the graves (many unmarked) they claimed when the graveyard plan was formalised about 1837 (if my memory serves me right). I have a copy of the monumental inscriptions for Fyvie and a good number of Rennies/Rannies are mentioned.
Graham.
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Thanks guys, so the one in Fyvie is not my James Rannie, according to Scotlands people there were only two James Rannie's died in aberdeenshire between 1850 and 1857 by which time Mary was widowed, suspect she was a widow 1853 -54 have looked at all the Rannie Rennie deaths for this period on Scotlands people and none of them fit.
Seems to be a dead end.
Jim
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Don't give up! Try contacting the staff at Dunbar Street. If Mary applied for poor relief, the application form will provide all the information you require, (& more!).
Meanwhile here's something to ponder on. In the 1851 census there are Rennies at Stonemanhill, Fyvie. The head is a William, also there is his married brother James (an agricultural labourer & aged 26). Both were born in the parish of Gamrie. Their sister Margaret also lives there & even better, their mother Elspet. Now, I think this place is actually Steinmanhill. If you check google maps & enter Gourdas the places are 0.6 miles apart. It was not uncommon for married men to live apart from their wives when they were working as agricultural workers owing to lack of suitable accomodation. Could this James be the one you're seeking? There's plenty of info to help you try & identify his parents! In December 1854 the posessions of Steinmanhill were to be let.(As per an advert in the local paper. This indicates that the family had terminated their tenancy with Fyvie Estate.What happened after that & where did they end up?
flst
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Thanks flst, I did look at that Rennie family some time ago and found the family in Gamrie, unfortunately have not been able to find them after 1851
and nothing to say one way or the other if he is my James or not going by the children that Mary had and described as a widow on their birth records it would appear that my James Rannie- Rennie died between 1851 and 1854
there is nothing that fits on Scotland's people.
So it looks like a visit to Aberdeen at some point in the future though I am not hopeful as I have had contact with someone who's tree connects with mine they hired a professional researcher who also drew a blank on James Rannie-Rennie.
Anyhow once again thanks to all for your help
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If you don't live near Aberdeen you can contact the staff & ask them to do a search of the poor relief records. Having said that I've twice been there & spent an enjoyable few hours reading the original records.Best of all there's no charge, you just have to book an appointment beforehand!
flst
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Thanks I don't live close to Aberdeen, but still have some relatives there so visit from time to time.
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flst, took your advice and contacted Aberdeen Archives, almost a dead end I am afraid, her application for poor relief describes her as widow Rennie no details of her husband or when she became a widow, only details of the children and the relief she receiving
Definitely receiving relief in 1857 but notes attached which indicate she received some casual relief prior to this.
The last entry is for 1870 when her relief was reduced due to her being partially supported by her family.
All very interesting but no closer to finding James Rannie- Rennie his daughter
Elizabeth born 1851 and John Much Marys illegitimate son born 1853 or54
James must have died in that three to four year period, but can find nothing on Scotlands people that fits.
Any ideas please on where I go from here, very disappointed as I thought the poor relief records might give me the information I wanted.
Jim
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Hi, so disappointed that there was no headway made after viewing the poor relief records. As you think James may have died before registration began, you may never find a record of his death. I looked at the death certificate of William Rennie,who died 4th March 1885. He was the son of William Rennie & Elspet Ingram. As I speculated that his brother, James, was your James I searched for his birth in familysearch. There was a submitted birth/baptism entry for Barbara Rennie 30/5/1822 & JAMES 8/4/1824, both in the parish of Gamrie. More importantly there's an entry for an Elspet Rainie 16/4/1828 in the parish of Fyvie.This ties in with the 1851 census at Steinmanhill. I did search for a will for their father Willam but didn't find one.Pity..
flst
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A possible way forward is to look at the minutes of the kirk session. They should pull her up for the illegitimate children. As she had several, the session may also have referred her to the Presbytery.
Graham.
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Thanks guys, suspect the James from Gamrie may be mine, but don't know if I will ever be able to prove it one way or another.