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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: ettya on Saturday 21 January 12 19:48 GMT (UK)
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I have just discovered my GG Grandfather is in Nottingham prison in 1901 :o. I knew I had to have a black sheep in my family somewhere. Is there any way I can find out what for? Do I have to go to the Nottingham archives ( not too much of a problem as I live in Nottinghamshire) or is there another way of finding out?
Cheers
Ettya ;D
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The Criminal records on Ancestry but you need full membership for it I think .unless you know someone who does have you could ask them .
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Thanks for that. Will check what membership I have on ancestry or then ask around.
Ettya
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Hi Ettya,
The Criminal Registers on Ancestry only go up to 1892, so will probably not include your GG Grandfather. I think any surviving records would probably be at the Notts Archives as you mentioned. It is probably best for you to email the Notts Archives to find out what records they might hold for this period - they are usually very helpful.
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/home/leisure/archives/libraries-archives-contact.htm
Alexander
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Cheers for that. I went on ancestry and realised that quite quickly. Think I will contact the archives tomorrow as I really would like to know what he was in for ( knowing my luck it'll be for nothing 'juicy'). Just wondering if he was still in by 1911 though as there is no trace of him at all in the census - that me or the other half can spot ( been searching through for days ). The next record I can find for him is when he died in 1938 in the town that the whole family lived in from 1890's - quite near to the prison.
Thanks both for the advice
Ettya
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Hi Ettya, if he was inside in 1901 then the crime may have been in the 19th century and be in the newspaper archives. If you are a member of local library you can view online. Or if you don't mind giving his name I could have a look.
Skewy
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Hi
Nottingham Prison was a PD (Preventive detention) Prison at one stage dealing with regular offenders doing over 7Yrs PD.
You can name search at the British Newspaper Archive for free. I f dealt with locally he may show in the Nottingham Papers
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
His name was Francis Mees ( although known as Frank even on the census ). Previously to being in Nottingham Prison in 1901 he was registered as living in Arnold Nottingham. I know he dies in Arnold in 1938 also but can not find him anywhere on the 1911 census ( his wife died in 1908 and children lived with various family members etc)
If you find anything I really appreciate it.
Ettya
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Hi Ettya, not the one, but was it the start of his bad ways?
Nottinghamshire Gaurdian Friday October 10th 1884
Case Dismissed. Francis Mees was charged with stealing a quart measure belonging to Mr John Crossland landlord of the Old Spot Inn, Arnold. Evidence was given by P.c. Topham that on Friday night he saw the accused walking from the public house with the measure concealed in the lining of his coat. There was some doubt as to whether the accused had an intention to steal the measure, and he was discharged.
Skewy.
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The name and area certainly fits - the old spot would more than likely have been his local. He obviously got a taste for pushing his luck.
Cheers Skewy.
Ettya
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Hi Ettya, the Old Spot is still there, but we would say it's in Daybrook, not Arnold, but it's very very close.
Skewy
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Hi Skewy. Going by your knowledge of the area I would hazard a guess at you not being too far away from me - I'm in Calverton just over the hill from Arnold and Daybrook and Ironically a friend of mine is the manager of the Old Spot! ;D The family actually lived on the Redhill Road near the cemetery - that border area between the two.
Cheers for finding that though - well made up to at least have something on the mysterious GG Grandfather of mine. :D
Ettya
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Hi Ettya, I now live in Woodthorpe, but a line of my oldies come from Calverton, the Coopers go back to the 1700's at least. Although new to living in the area I remember being bought to Arnold for the Whitsuntide Parades in the 50's. Seems we had a relative there, but none of us left know who.
Skewy.
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Shewy.
I work for the church in Calverton and we have a plaque inside regarding a cooper (trying to think off the top of my head - when you've looked at something so many times you don't tend to notice it do you) I think it's for a Mary Ann Cooper. I can check for definate next week if you want and let you know and then either open the church up for you to come and have a look if you think it may be one of yours.
Ettya
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Hi Ettya, she was a musician who invented some new musical notation I believe. I've seen the plaque, but sadly she is not in my direct line.
Skewy.