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Hello,
I'm hoping that someone might be able to help me with this gentleman that I'm researching for a book I'm writing about my home town of Weymouth.
The definite sighting that I have of him is in the 1861 census for Melcombe Regis (Weymouth), Dorset, where he's listed as a florist at 3 Bond Street, it looks like it says he's married?, but no sign of a wife anywhere.He also employs 1 man and 1 boy (I think that's what it says)
The rest of the information comes from adverts that he's put in local Dorset papers, and articles about him helping local societies.
Robert t Hawkins (would it be Tinker?)
This is an odd one, as on Ancestry the bit says Tinker or Hawkins, but it says that about quite a few of the Hawkins births around that time in Urchfont, why would they do that? He always lists himself as Robert T Hawkins.
B 1828 Urchfont Wiltshire.
Possible moved to Weymouth in 1852? Started business in 1859? (This info taken from snippets of adverts and articles about him in the papers.)
All the following at Weymouth.;-
1864 5th May Hawkins advert ,new gardens at Belfield.
1864 23rd Jun .new plant nursery near Gloucester hotel. Garden at Belfield completed.
1864 7th Jul, advert, new plant nursery.
1864 14th Jul ,New plant nursery Gloucester street.Belfield completed.
1864 1st Sep Floral fete.
1864 15th Sep floral and fruiut show
1864 10th Dec decorated drama room
1865 30th nov decorated the rooms for dramatic society
1865 2nd Dec invited in council meeting to describe plans for the gardens
1866 6th Feb advert 3 Bond Street, Gloucester street nursery.
1866 13th Feb , advert seven years of public support (1859?)
1866 18th Feb current reduction in prices? Shops at 3 Bond Street, and Gloucester street. (problems with the business?)
1866 11th Sep Hawkins floral show
I can't find him before the 1861 census, or after the 1861 census? His address in Bond Street in the 1871 census is listed as empty....as of yet I've not found a death for him either, and unless I know his wife's name ,his marriage either.
I.m looking for a bankruptcy around that later date also, but no luck so far. The man just seems to disappear into thin air, not a single mention of him in the local papers, or whats happened to him.
All very frustrating!But I'm hoping that some of the super sloops on here might think of other ideas to finding him.
Thanks,
Sue
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Do you have access to the 1841 census? There seems to be a Robert Tinker , transcribed Tanken, age 12 in Devizes with a Richard Tinker age 14 and a Fanny Tinker age 10, in the same household as Ann Crook 55 and Rebecca Crook 20, all described as Independant
HO107/1189/2 Folio 42 Page 33
Regards
Cat
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1851 has
Nathan King 45 retired miller b Hurstpierpoint Sussex
Christiana 58 wife b Cowfold Sussex
Robert T Hawkins 23 lodger general printer and book binder b Welshpool Wiltshire.
HO107 1648/164/15
East Parade Horsham Surrey
the more I look at this image the less likely it is that it says Welshpool,could someone else take a look and see.
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Not Robert - but Richard T Hawkings b 1827 Urchfont is a clerk in St Pancras in 1851 HO107 1494/ 689/ 23
Perhaps he is Richard from 1841?
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1851: 44 Grafton St East, ,Tottenham Court, St Pancras
HO107 / Piece: 1494 / Folio: 689 / Page: 23
Rich'd T HAWKINGS 24, unm, clerk, b Urchfont, Wilts.
He is one of many many staff enumerated on multiple pages & employed at Messrs. Schoolbred and Cook - linen drapers, woollen drapers, silk mercers, hosiers, haberdashers and carpet dealers
Baptism:
Richard Tinker HAWKINS
Chr 16 Oct 1826 Urchfont
Parents: Richard TINKER-HAWKINS & Mary Ann
Cheers
AMBLY
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Richard Tinker-Hawkins was born Oct 1826, brother of Robert, both children of Richard Hawkins and Mary Ann.
There was also a Walter Tinker or Hawkins born in 1832 to Richard and Mary Ann.
and a Fanny born 1830.
William Crook Tinker-Hawkins b 1826.
So that seems that it might tie in with the 1841 census Catone ,as the name Crook appears in one of the childrens. I'll check that one out .
What I don't get is why the listings as Tinker or Hawkins, Tinker-Hawkins, Tinker Hawkins.........does that mean that it's a double barrel name? a middle name showing maothers maiden name? or uncertainty? But the Crook is added to another childs name, so presumably, if the 1841 census is right, Crook must be one of the grandparents?
I did find that one Isobeiruss, and in my desperation read the first couple of words under occupation as gardener, fruitier....but then saw the word book, and couldn't work out where that came in relation to gardener.
But a brilliant start in all, thank you.
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There is also:
http://shrinkalink.com/51433Reference in NZ papers, Dunedin 1869
The marriage of Martha, daughter of the late William Tinker Hawkins Esq of Urchfont Wilts.
She married Thomas MURRAY of Perthsire, Scotland
Seems to me it may be a double barrelled name, but not always so referenced.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Family Search has a marriage of :
William Hawkins and Lydia Hawkins Or Tinker :-\
7th Jan 1771 Wilsford Near Pewsey,Wiltshire
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Robert Tinker Hawkins was a witness at the marriage of Fanny Tinker Hawkins to Moses Butcher May 1860
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I wonder if the 'Tinker or Hawkins' listings are because the transcriber couldn't decide/make out the order of the names.
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Theres a marriage on ancestry of a Richard Tinker Hawkins and Mary Ann Crook, but I cant view the details, maybe thats where the Crook fits in, if anyone can check this....
Cat :)
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Doesn;t tell you any more than the date
15 Jan 1824
There are also marriages for
Urchfont
Anna Tinker Hawkins William Clelford 25 May 1825
Rebecca Tinker Hawkins Abraham Gray 7 Nov 1827
Adelaide Tinker Hawkins Thomas Berry 24 Dec 1851
Calne
William Tinker Hawkins Sarah Verinder 27 Dec 1827
Stert
James Tinker Hawkins Elizabeth Batt 21 Oct 1837
View Record
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Theres a marriage on ancestry of a Richard Tinker Hawkins and Mary Ann Crook, but I cant view the details, maybe thats where the Crook fits in, if anyone can check this....
Cat :)
Thats Roberts parents presumably, about the right time, as the children start coming along soon after that date.
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Ancestry also has other Wiltshire parish entries (no locations) involving marriages of Tinker Hawkinses /Tinker of Hawkins in 1772, 1786 and 1810 so this duel name has been around for some time
There's also a Thomas Tinker Hawkins - his son William Richard is baptised in Melcombe Regis in 1860. Mother Ann. Occupation fruiterer
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Was going to post something similar - trying to find out what happened to Robert and found Family Search has a reference to a christening in 1675 for a Robert Tincker or Hawkins in Urchfont. :o
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Ancestry also has other Wiltshire parish entries (no locations) involving marriages of Tinker Hawkinses /Tinker of Hawkins in 1772, 1786 and 1810 so this duel name has been around for some time
There's also a Thomas Tinker Hawkins - his son William Richard is baptised in Melcombe Regis in 1860. Mother Ann. Occupation fruiterer
This must tie in with my chap I would assume? Not sure how to check? If I could find the bith of Thomas maybe? Hopefully Robert would be his dad, then that might get the name of Roberts wife?
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Just to confuse things
William Cook Tinker Hawkins [Cheshire BMD have this as Crook not Cook]
Death Oct-Nov-Dec 1847
Wirral Volume: 19 Page: 249
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They don,t like to make life easy do they!!!!
When I checked out the christening of William, his dad Thomas puts the name tinker as a second christian name, and thinking logically about it, if Robert was born in 1828' then Thomas tinker can,t be his son, with a son of his own, as it would make them too young.
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Don;t have Ancestry Worldwide but theres a Robert Tinker hawkins dying in Australia in 1892 and a married of sam ename to Elizabeth Noy
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Thank you, I,ll check that one out