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I have a Lydia CRAVEN who was born at Northowram 7 Oct 1846, approx 3 Km NE of Halifax UK the 4th of 5 children of Samson Craven and Elizabeth Cheetham. The father was a wool sorter, nothing is known of her mother. Lydia married Mathew NUTTER in Boston and later came to Australia in 1877 on NBOYNTON. How they travelled to America is a mystery. In UK 1871 census they appear to have been neighbours in Crossley Terrace Halifax.
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1851 census for Northowram - all children b there
Samson Craven 43 b Clayton - wool sorter
Elisabeth 37 b Southawram
Benjamin 14
Martha Ann 9
Josiah 8
Lydia 4
Joseph 1
HO107 Piece 2302 Folio 10 Page 12
Parents marriage from the IGI
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJ2H-G9D
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It's not really clear what it is you are asking for help with
Matthew Henry Nutter was the son of George (occ mechanic) and Mary & was born 29.8.1850 and baptised 6.7.1851 at St John The Baptist Halifax
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Thank you Carol for the reply. I am seeking how Lydia CRAVEN, Matthew Henry NUTTER, Mary NUTTER and Hannah BEAN/BENN went to America. I have been able to locate both families in the UK census.
the information about Matthew's father surname is also unknown as his mother's maiden name was NUTTER.
:D
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This doesn't help with your search for their passage to US, but there is a lovely headstone to Lydia, Mary and Matthew Henry Nutter and the picture and details are on the Australian Cemeteries website
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=8028333
(just in case you don't have it)
regards,
Ros
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Thank you Ros, it is a great cemetery with a couple of books published about it. Unfortunately it has been the subject of vandal attacks in the past which has required a lot of work to be done to repair and re-stand headstones. The "Friends of Mays Hill" is a very active group.
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What a shame about the vandalism.
By the way there is a public tree on ancestry which has that Matthew Henry Nutter is the son of Mary Blackburn and John Blackburn and gives as a source the 1871 census where MHN is stated to be the son of John and Mary Blackburn and living in Halifax with them and some Blackburn children. MHN is a (control?) printer.
This still doesn't help with their passage to USA but if it is not your tree then it maybe worth contacting them to compare info
regards,
Ros
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That is a confusing census sheet. I have deduced Mary his mother is living with Blackburn (despite a claim of marriage) and Mathew is shown as a son but is hers, hence he is on the bottom of the list. I have never found a marriage for Mary Nutter and she had 2 children to 2 different fathers. It happened. I don't subscribe to Ancestry and in the past when trying to contact people have not been successful. Grist for the mill as the experts say!
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RG9; Piece: 3254; Folio: 67; Page: 20
John Blackburn 39
Mary Ann Blackburn 37
Joseph Blackburn 12
Mary Blackburn 10
Elizabeth Blackburn 7
Harriet Blackburn 4
Saml Blackburn 3
in 1871 MHN's relationship is servant. (& he's a Carpet printer)
RG10/4395; Folio: 81; Page: 13
And you can see he's not with the Blackburn family in 1861.
Pauline
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I have not been able to find any of my NUTTER family in the 1861 census and presume it is because there were allegedly a lot of pages damaged and lost. Another brick wall.
fred ..
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familysearch.org also has the marriage of Lydia and Matthew in 1876; she is listed as Lydia Caven or Craven and he as "Mathew H Mitter" (writing a bit scribbly). I see that they're living pretty much next door to each other in 1871 so they may have travelled together.
Is "Hannah Benn" the "Hannah Kershaw Anderson" (married a couple times in Australia) who was b. Halifax? Listed as daughter of Abraham and Mary when she died in Australia in 1915.
I can see:
1856 marriage for Mary Nutter to Abraham Benn.
Possible death 1857 for Abraham.
possible birth 1857 for Hannah Benn
(both in Halifax)
In 1871 Hannah is living with uncle, Richard Kershaw, 41 years old, a widower (I think I can see him in 1861 but none of the family with him). On the "N Boynton"I can see that Matthew and Lydia are listed together, Mary lists herself as single and under the name "Mary Nutter". So presumably she reverted to Nutter (possibly because the marriage to Abraham was so short-lived).
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Hi Jorose, thank you for the information, Yes I have found the info on the marriage of MHN & LC and the 1871 census.
I also thought mutual travel to America. But I do have a ship manifest of Mary N, MHM, LC & Hannah B all travelling from NY to Sydney in 1877. So that section of the family went & I am unable to find out how they got to America.
Lydia had at least one brother Benjamin living in Lawrence Mass, and I don't know how he got there but he arrived 1861 and was naturalized, 1890 US census. Lydia worked in the Arlington woollen mills in Lawrence Mass. USA but I have not found any other means of follow up.
Yes Hannah Benn is the HKA died in Au buried in Mays Hill cemetery.
Bit of hand holding needed please, I am unable to see the marriage of MN to AB in 1856.
RK was married to MN's sister Elizabeth but she died 1870 aged 40.
MN also had 2 brothers James 1823 Mathew 1826 and John 1827
fred ..
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http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
- here under Abraham Benn, June quarter 1856 Halifax, vol 9a page 532. A Mary Nutter has the same reference.
There's also an interesting possible marriage in 1852 - Joseph Nutter and Mary Kershaw have the same reference - might be related to this family?
If Mary's maiden name was Nutter, who was "George"? ???
Which certificates do you have for them?
Some people going to the US, particularly those headed for areas like MA, came via Canada, so if you can't find them heading to the US that might be the route they took.
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Marriage or Bann Date: 19 Apr 1852 @ Halifax, St John The Baptist
Joseph Nutter Age: 27 Father's Name: George Nutter (Clothier)
Mary Kershaw 23y Father's Name: Christopher Kershaw (Gardener)
Both from Hipperholme
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That marriage detail looks good I will send away for it tonight.
George is a complete unknown at present although I have just found a marriage to a Mary N in 1844 to a George Woodhead. Will probe that more before I plonk the pounds, too many rushed decisions before ended up with wrong cert.
There were a lot of Mary Nutters around in those days. Indeed a lot of Nutter families that I have not mad a connection with, yet.
Have no idea on the Joseph Nutter and Mary Kershaw connection at this point in time. Hipperholme is not too far away on google. Richard Kershaw father was Thomas Kershaw. have th marriage cert of RK & E & both death cert.
Also have to spend more time combing the Canada shipping, but have done a lot so far with no luck.
will keep looking. fred ..
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IF you go the a public library, the 1852 marriage is online (with original image) under the west yorks parish records on Ancestry.
Pauline
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Thanks Pauline, found that marriage cert of Joseph Nutter and Kershaw. Not sure where it fits in.
Could not find the mar cert of Abraham Benn and Mary Nutter but have sent for it with the references. I think it will be incorrect, like a previous one.
BUT a big win, found the marriage of Mary Nutter and John Blackburn with whom she was living in 1871 census along with her son Mathew Nutter. WOW. And she was the widow Benn in that marriage.
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Good news, the Benn Nutter marriage was the right one and managed to get the birth of daughter Hannah and sadly the death of Abraham 2 months after her birth.
Still trying to find out how and when they went to America.
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Hi,
Did Lydia's mother Elizabeth go to America with her? I ask because I found this (badly written) entry on a ship list, transcribed as CEANEN but I think it could easily be CRAVEN.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Ship Name: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Port of Arrival: New York
Arrival Date: 23 Jun 1875
Elizth CEANEN 60 F Wife
Lydia " 26 " Daughter
I also found,
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Ship Name: Abyssinia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, United States
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1872
Matthew Hy MUTTER 21 Male Labourer
Do you think this could be them?
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi Daisy, I don't know the answer to the first question. The father, Samson Craven died in Halifax 21 Feb 1875. I have a guesstimate birth year for Elizabeth as 1814 and that would put her age at approx 60 for 1875.
So far have not been able to find a death fro Elizabeth Craven in UK that lines up. I think someone on Ancestry had her death as 1989 but no proof to verify it.
Lydia's brother Benjamin went to America in 1861, ship unknown, facts from his naturalisation paper. He died 29 Oct 1911 Methuen, Essex, Mass.
Her sister Martha Ann and brother Joseph are unknowns. The other brother Josiah stayed in Halifax, married Fanny Hemingway and died in Halifax 1987.
I will see if I can locate that shipping list for the details.
Regarding Matthew Nutter, he gave his occupation as a farm labourer on the NBOYNTON voyage from NY to Sydney.
He was a carpet printer in the 1871 UK census. So there is a possibility he could be the man I am seeking. Most of the family were associated with the weaving industry. Matthew was a builder in NSW Australia.
Will have to see if I can find that list as well. But it does not solve what his mother Marry NUTTER and sister Hannah BENN did about travelling to America.
I am most grateful for your assistance.
regards, fred ..
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Hi,
Taking a break from Mary NUTTER and Harriet BENN's emigration, my eyes ache :) I think I might have found some info about Lydia's siblings,
Possible death and burial for Joseph CRAVEN,
Death
Joseph CRAVEN Dec Q 1851 Halifax 22 170
Burial
Halifax Chapelry of St John
Joseph CRAVEN
Abode: Northowram
Buried: Oct 14th 1851
Age: 1year & 9mo
Daisy
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As Benjamin went to Lawrence Mass. I think it's a very good possibility that this could be Martha Ann's marriage, and later life there.
Martha Ann CRAVEN Dec Q 1862 Halifax 9a 672
others on same page;
John BARKER
Mary THORP
Joseph WAINWRIGHT
1871 RG10/4479 f.6 p.24 Horton, Yorkshire
90 Adelaide St
John BARKER Head 32 Clerk in Worsted Mill Yorkshire Keldwick
Martha Ann " Wife 29 " Halifax
Fred " Son 6 Scholar " Bradford
Mary " Daur 4 Scholar " Bradford
I haven't found them on a passenger list yet but this looks like the family in Lawrence Mass.
1880 US census, Lawrence, Essex, Massachusetts
BARKER
John 42 Overseer Woollen Mill
Martha A. 39 Housekeeping
Frederick 15 At School
Mary 14 At School
Edgar 9 At School
Annie 6 At School
Arthur 3
BRAITHWAITE Edwin 27 Boarder Married Works Woollen Mill
All born England, all parents born England.
I can see John and Martha in Lawrence Mass. up to 1920 (except 1890).
I think getting the marriage cert. might be the only way to check this is the right marriage unless someone can find it in parish records.
From the 1841 census I see there are more siblings, Moses b.1835 and Edgar b.1839. I expect you already know about them but just in case, I found their burials,
Burials
Halifax Chapelry of Coley St John
Moses CRAVEN
Abode: Northowram
02 Sep 1849
Age: 14
Halifax Chapelry of Coley St John
Edgar CRAVEN
Abode: Northowram
28 May 1850
Age: 14
Daisy
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Hi Daisy, many thanks for that information. Been away a bit lately so will have to stay home and follow up all this good information you have found. I had the 2 boys on the 1941 census but not their burials.
regards fred ..