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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Rosie R on Monday 16 January 12 22:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi
After Charles Milson was transported to Australia, he married Annie Maria Lyons (sp?) who I believe was born in Basseldon Berkshire in 1816 and came to Australia around 1835 to spent 1 year in Tasmania and then came to NSW. They were married at Segenhoe near Maitland NSW 07/11/1837 and had a number of children including my G Grandfather Edwin Lewis Milson. She died 01/07/1865 at Overton Muswellbrook NSW.
Does anyone have any information in regard to Annie Maria Lyons prior to her coming to Australia and her parents etc?
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Hi
I cannot find anything for a Basseldon, Berkshire. There is a Basildon in Berkshire and London, early searches favour London, there are entries on the IGI and Family Search sites. Unless you have more info, this wouldn't be a bad starting point.
Regards
Geoff
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Annies Death is Reg under MILSOM on NSW BMD;
Annie MILSOM, Died Muswellbrook, 4788/1865
Fathers name listed as LEWIS
Looks like the Death Cert has info on it and I would purchase it if I was you.
Trish :)
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There is a LEWIS/CAROLINE Lyon christening Children in the London area in the right time-frame. I have not found a Anne/Annie Maria to them, but they do name a Child Edwin Dukin Lyon.
I noticed Charles/Annie Milson name a Son Edwin Lewis Milson.
1841 Census Lewis is born c 1793 London and is a Tailor/Master Bonnet Maker by trade.
Lewis LYON Married Caroline DUNKIN 30 January 1815, St Bride, Fleet St, London
Now interestingly on the Christening of their 1st Son WILLIAM, 31 Dec 1815, Lewis is down as a Tailor and a Converted Jew.
So if the Death Cert of Annie confirms her Father as Lewis a Tailor, then to find his Chrsitening later you would need access Jewish Records to find his Birth.
Trish :)
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I noticed a Family Tree for Charles MILSON having his Parents as CHARLES/ELIZABETH and dying in NSW 1874.
If this is true that he died 1874 in Armidale his Death Reg is under MILLSON and his Father was THOMAS.
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IIRC Charles Milsom/Milson came from Stanford Dingley - next door to Basildon (often found as Basseldon) in Berkshire. He left a wife and children in England when he was transported.
If the wife he married in Australia came from the Berkshire Basildon he could well have known her before he was transported - though she would only have been 14/15 when he was arrested if she was born in 1816. The baptism register from Basildon for that date is lost - but there are BTs that might show her baptism (held in Wiltshire & Swindon RO).
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Hi again Rosie R,
I cant help myself when it comes to Convicts and had to see what I could find on your Charles.
Now most people have him arriving 1840 on the "EDEN"
There is another possibility and I am not sure which one you have?
Charles MILSOM, one of 133 convicts transported on the ELEANOR, 15 February 1831, Convicted sentence- 14 years, Berks Gaol Delivery, conditional Pardon.
Ship departed 31 February 1831.
A Swingriotsbacksheep Site has Charles as age 28 in 1831.
One of the "Swing Rioters"
Anc has him assigned to Potter McQueen at Sedgehoe
EDIT;
I checked your other post and see you have some of this :)
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Hello,
It would appear that there may well have been two Charles Millsoms, one arriving on the Eden in 1840, and the other, a carpenter, on the Eleanor 9 years earlier in 1831 (The one we are discussing) By all the accounts that I have read he received his ticket of leave in 1835, after which he remarried in 1837. His life in Australia seems to be fairly well documented but may have got muddled up with a similarly named person arriving in 1840.
Vicwinann
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PART 1.
Charles Milson & Annie Lyons were my husbands Great Great Grandparents.
Charles Milsom (Milson) (Millson) was born in 1800/2 in Berkshire, UK.
Trial Place: Reading (Berkshire UK) 27 December
Trial Year: 1830
Sentence: 14 Years
Age: 28 Years
Over 600 were sentenced to varying terms of imprisonment and around 500 were
sentenced to transportation for either Life, 14 or 7 years.
Charles Milson was married to Martha Bearfield on 23 July 1827 at Aldworth,
Berkshire UK and left behind his wife and 2 children, a boy aged 18 months and a girl
aged 3 years.
Martha was born in 1801 in Aldworth, Berkshire UK.
LDS IGI shows surname as MILLSON.
Prisoners were moved from gaol to the prison hulks, most of whom were sent to
Portsmouth and onto the hulk 'York'. By 6th February 1831, 244 men were on
board the ship 'Eliza' heading for Tasmania and by April 1831 most of the
remaining prisoners were also sailing - the 'Eleanor' to New South Wales and the
'Proteus' with 112 men to Tasmania.
Convict vessel 'Eleanor' sailed from Portsmouth on 19th February 1831 and arrived in
Sydney, Australia on 25 June 1831 after 126 days.
Embarked: 140 Male convicts - 7 died on voyage and 133 arrived in Sydney.
Ships Master was Robert Cock.
Ships Surgeon was John Stephenson.
The 'Eleanor' was a Barque, 301 tons and was built in Calcutta in 1815.
On arrival in Australia and after being brought ashore the men were assigned either
to government service or to individual settlers.
BOOK: "The Convicts of the Eleanor" written by David Kent and Norma Townsend
Published by - First published in 2002 by The Merlin Press Ltd, London
Published in Australia by Pluto Press Australia.
ISBN : 1-86403-172-7
In 2010 this book priced at $49.95 Australian Dollars
"The convicts transported on the Eleanor in February 1831 were not hardened
criminals"
A marvellous book telling the whole story. In this book his name is given as
'Charles MILSON'.
NSW Ticket of Leave Issued:
Last Name: MILSOM
First Name: Charles
Ship: Eleanor
Year: 1831
Native Place: NR
Trade or Calling: NR
Tried: Berks GD
Ticket No: 35/727
State Records Shelf Ref: 4/4099
State Records Reel No: 923
Remarks: District: Invermein
Dated: 30 April 1835
There is a note written across the State Records copy of Charles' Ticket of
Leave that reads: "Torn up and cancelled on it's receipt from Invermein
Bench in letter dated 1 April 1837."
Charles was assigned to Thomas Potter McQueen who owned property in
Segenhoe (near Scone in NSW).
After receiving his pardon, Charles and his wife Anne ('Annie') lived in the nearby,
Aberdeen area and then later moved to the Armidale area of Northern NSW.
Continued PART 2
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PART 2...Charles Milson & Annie Lyons
Charles married Anne ('Annie') Marie Lyons (22) on 7 November 1837 in Scone,
Marriage registered NSW Births Deaths & Marriages Registration No: V1837 1869 21/1837
- CT District = Early Church Record Code - Church of England, Black Creek, Bulwarra, Cloden, East Maitland, Hinton, Hunter District, Maitland, Morpeth, West Maitland -
Surname recorded as 'Millson'.
Annie born c1815 ? near London.
Possible Birth/Christening for Charles : Christening 12 October 1800, Stanford
Dingley, Berkshire - Parents: Charles Milson and Elizabeth Unknown.
No death registered in NSW for Anne Millson/Milson 1788-1976.
Anne died 1 July 1865, Aged 50 years, in an accident - Possible NSW BDM Death registration- Annie Milsom - Registration No: 4788/1865 - Died at Overton near
Muswellbrook - Father shown as 'Lewis Lyons' - No Mothers Details shown.
On the copy of her Death Certificate it states she spent 1 year in Tasmania and 28
years in NSW.
Charles died 9 years after Anne in 1874 at the home of his English born son, Richard -
Possible NSW BDM Death registration-
Charles Millson - Registration No: 3496/1874 - Died Armidale - Father shown as
'Thomas' - No Mothers Details shown.
To Get Certificate.
Charles' son Richard arrived in Australia as an Emigrant on the ship "John and Lucy" in 1857.
(Aged approx 27 years) after a 98 days voyage.
Possible: Richard Milson was born c1830 - Christened 28 March 1830 in Ashampstead,
Berkshire UK.
Possible: Richard Milsom died in 1879 - Aged 49 years in Sydney - No Parents
Details shown - Death registered NSW BDM Registration No: 918/1879.
To Get Certificate.
SHIP "JOHN AND LUCY"
1235 tons
Master: Wm. Miller
Origin: Liverpool
Departed: 28 January 1857
Arrived: Botany Bay, Sydney on 6 May 1857
Contract Price per Statute Adult: £13/09/01
Surgeon Superintendent: William Donaldson
Number of Emigrants:
Adult Males: 215
Adult Females: 99
Children Under 14:
Male: 45
Female: 44
Total Souls: 403
Deaths on Voyage:
Adult Males Nil
Adult Females: Nil
Males Under 14 years: 1
Females Under 14 years: 3
Children from the marriage of Charles and Anne were:
F i. Sarah Ann Milson born 6 October 1838 in
Aberdeen NSW ?? - No Birth registered with
NSW BDM
M ii. William George Millson born 10 October 1842 - Birth
registered NSW Births Deaths & Marriages Registration
No: V18442816 28/1844 - Name shown as 'Millson' -
Father shown as 'Charles' and Mother as 'Anne'.
No District shown.
M iii. Edwin Lewis Milsom born 14 November 1844 in
Aberdeen NSW - Birth registered NSW Births Deaths
& Marriages Registration No: V18443011 30A/1844 -
Name shown as 'Milsom' - Father shown as 'Charles'
and Mother as 'Ann'. No District shown.
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I cannot find anything for a Basseldon, Berkshire. There is a Basildon in Berkshire and London, early searches favour London, there are entries on the IGI and Family Search sites. Unless you have more info, this wouldn't be a bad starting point.
Re-reading this thread owing to the recent post.
Noticed this: there is no Basildon in London, there is one in Essex (25 miles from central of London), which is a decent sized town, far better known than the Berkshire Basildons.
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Basildon in Essex is a New Town amalgamating in 1948 the 4 small villages of Pitsea, Laindon, Basildon and Vange to create overspill housing for London.
As Basildon, Berkshire is but a stone's throw from Stanford Dingley, I would suggest that perhaps this is where Annie Marie Lyons came from but I have no evidence of that.
There are at least two researchers on the net who put her birthplace as Lands End, Cornwall which just goes to show that straws are being grasped, I think.
Does anyone know why Charles Millson changed his name to Charles Clarence Western Millson? (IGI)
Vicwinann
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There was another CHARLES MILSON who was tried in February 1840 at the Berkshire Lent Assizes. He was transported on the ship "EDEN" but is NOT the Charles MILSON that married Annie Marie Lyons in NSW Australia in 1837.
Anyone who is looking for information on 'this' Charles ...go to:
M3 - Beyond the Seas
www.beyondtheseas.co.uk/unclaimedconvictsm3.htm
Charles Millson Date Tried: Berkshire Lent Assizes, February 1840. Transported: Eden 1840. Source: Indictment File - gives date, location and victim of the ...
Hope this helps someone with their search.
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Yes, I mentioned that in February as part of this discussion. Some researchers have muddled the two Charles' I am sure.
Vicwinann
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After Charles Milson was transported to Australia, he married Annie Maria Lyons (sp?) who I believe was born in Basseldon Berkshire in 1816 and came to Australia around 1835 married at Segenhoe near Maitland NSW 07/11/1837
a number of children including my G Grandfather Edwin Lewis Milson. She died 01/07/1865 at Overton Muswellbrook NSW.
Not sure whether you have seen these
This family tree says http://mfo.me.uk/getperson.php?personID=I20247&tree=E1
Charles born 1800 Stanford Dingley Berkshire son of
Charles Millson b1761 Stanford Dingley mother Elizabeth Lamb,
Charles (Jnr) married Martha Bearfield 23 Jul 1827 Stanford Dingley Berkshire
2 children Martha b1827 & Henry Richard b1828 Stanford Dingley then he married Ann Maria Lyons b1815 London(no info. on her family) names 3 children
Sarah Ann, William Charles & Edwin Lewis
and this http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS/2001-07/0996189810
Charles Millson occ Carpenter father Charles mother Elisabeth Lamb
Annie accidently killed by a kick of a horse 1865 Overton near Muswellbrook
A photograph of Charles and Annie's daughter Sarah Anne, with a
granddaughter on her knee, is on the NSW BDM website at the beginning of the page headed 'How Do I Trace My Family Tree'
have found these bapt on family search but again nothing of Annie :(
Charles Milson bapt 12 Oct 1800 Stanford Dingley Berkshire
parents Charles & Elizabeth also these children
Edward 2 Jan 1805
Joseph 12 Dec 1802
Richard 26 Dec 1798
Sarah 11 Jan 1797
Thomas 19 Oct 1795
Mary 24 May 1794 died 7 Jan 1798
There is a LEWIS/CAROLINE Lyon christening Children in the London area in the right time-frame.
I have not found a Anne/Annie Maria to them, but they do name a Child Edwin Dukin Lyon.
I noticed Charles/Annie Milson name a Son Edwin Lewis Milson.
1841 Census Lewis is born c 1793 London and is a Tailor/Master Bonnet Maker by trade.
Lewis LYON Married Caroline DUNKIN 30 January 1815, St Bride, Fleet St, London
Their 1st Son WILLIAM, 31 Dec 1815, Lewis is down as a Tailor and a Converted Jew.
if the Death Cert of Annie confirms her Father as Lewis a Tailor, then to find his Chrsitening later you would need access Jewish Records to find his Birth.
for info. just in case it might help someone else or if there is a link with your Annie Maria Lyons have listed the baptisms available online for Lewis & Caroline's children but sadly no Annie Maria :(
William Lyon 31 Dec 1815 St Mary Whitechapel
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline abode Charlotte St
Written under Lyon surname (a converted Jew)
Ceremony performed by CS Hawtrey the Minister of the Episcopral Jews Chapel
Henry Lyon born 23 Nov bapt 17 May 1818 St Mary Whitechapel
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline abode Charlotte Street
Rector D Mathias
Hannah Lyon born 5 Dec bapt 5 Mar 1820 St Mary Whitechapel
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline abode Charlotte Court
Rector D Mathias
Caroline Lyon born 18 Dec 1821 bapt 17 Feb 1822 St Luke Finsbury
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline Abode Waterloo Street
J H Rice
Edward Dunkin Lyon born 13 Jan bapt 2 May 1824 St Luke Finsbury
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline Abode Galway Street
Curate J H Rice
Eliza Lyon born 23 Aug bapt 4 Dec 1825 St Luke Finsbury
Parents Lewis Occ Tailor Caroline Abode Ironmonger Row
JH Rice
Emma Lyon bapt 14 Oct 1827 bapt St Mary Lambeth
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline Abode Christ Church
Chas Turner
Frances Lyon born 28 Nov 1830 bapt 3 Apr 1831 St Mary Newington
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline abode Cumberland Row
Rev’d Chas B Drought
Eleanor Lyon born 28 Jun bapt 23 Jun 1833 St Peter Walworth
Parents Lewis occ Tailor & Caroline Abode St George’s Row
Gilb’t Chesmith
Rosina Lyon born 28 Aug bapt 8 Mar 1835 St Matthew Bethnal Green
Parents Lewis occ Tailor & Caroline abode George’s Row Camberwell
Rev Thos ?asby Curate from Episcopal Jews Chapel
Sarah Lyon born 24 Oct 1836 bapt 29 Mar 1837 St Matthew Bethanl Green
Parents Lewis occ Tailor Caroline abode Camberwell
Rev. J B. Ca?ght Minister of Episcopal Jews Chapel as by Certificate
and here are Lewis & Caroline on 1841/1851 census with some of their children
1841 HO107; Piece: 1052; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St Giles Camberwell Surrey
Lewis Lyon 42 Tailor? (very faint on original) ‘N’
Caroline 42 ‘N’
Caroline 15 ‘N’
Rosina 5 ‘Y’
Sarah 4 ‘Y’
Maryann 1 ‘Y’
Born in this county ‘N’ / ‘Y’
1851
16 St Georges? Row Camberwell
Lewis Lyon 58 London City Bonnet ? (Master)
Caroline 58 Margate Kent Bonnet Maker
Caroline 29 St Luke Middx
James 22 Manchester Lancashire Brass Finisher Journeyman
Rosina 16 Camberwell Braider
Sarah 14 Camberwell
Mary Ann 11 Camberwell Surrey
so I thought I'd also check to see if there were any marriages on line for these children - there are
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again just for info. may help someone else with their research
7 Jan 1840 St George Bloomsbury St George
William Lyon f/a Schoolmaster 7 Castle St f Lewis Tailor
Elizabeth Hammett f/a 5 Lit Tufton St f James G Linen Draper
Witneess Jane Johnson & Oliver Difon Green
6 Oct 1850 St Mary Haggerton
Edwin Dunkin Lyon 27 Piano Forte Maker f Lewis Tailor
Eliza Bright 22 f Joseph Shoemaker
Witnees Lewis & Caroline Lyon
Edwin Dunkin Lyon Age: 70 Burial Date: 1 Jul 1887 Parish: Melcombe Regis
Abode Bond Street
Edwin Dunkin Lyon died 28 Jun 1887 Dorset of Lower Bond Street Melcomb Regis occ Musician Probate Date: 7 Sep 1887 proved at Blandford by Philip Dodson Solicitor’s Clerk one of the Executors - personal estate £146
29 Jan 1853 St May Magdalene Southwark
Caroline Lyon 31 f Lewis Tailor
Richard Shoebridge 33 seaman f Edward Gardener
Witnesses Frederick S??thers & Mary D? shoebridge
9 Feb 1856 St George Camberwell
Rosina Lyon f/a St Georges St. f Lewis Tailor
Rowland Maurice f/a Clicker f Rowland Gentleman
Witnesses C Stevens & Sarah Lyon
26 Dec 1859 St Giles Camberwell
Mary Ann Lyon minor sp father Lewis Tailor (Dec’d)
Thomas Joseph Wooldridge f/a Shoemaker f Thomas Joseph Shoemaker
Witnesses James Lyon & Lucy Wooldridge
After I complied this info. it occurred to me to check if there were any public trees
on ancestry – there are a number with parents named Lewis b1793 d1856 & Caroline Dunkin b1793
Trees list the children above one tree also has Annie Maria attached as their daughter
born 3 Mar 1817 Basseldon Berkshire death 1 Jul 1865 Overton NSW there are some pictures
one of Annie & two of her children
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Hello All,
Firstly, I am a Hunter Valley girl from NSW.
Most of my colonial ancestors are connected to the Hunter Valley and Goulburn region.
I am at the moment researching my Direct MATERNAL LINEAGE which so far I have traced back to
to an ANNE MILSON nee LYONS born 1815, London, England and married a CHARLES MILSON.
From ANNIE and CHARLES union my maternal line follows from their daughter named:
Sarah Anne Milson 1838-1914 married Nathanial S Wicks and their daughter,
Mary Ellen Wicks 1868 to 1945 married Robert Pittman and their daughter,
Ivy Sarah Pittman 1900-? married James Leslie Coward and their daughter,
Dorothy is my mother.
I am also am seeking any further information regarding Anne "Annie" Lyons and Charles Milson.
Thank you
Linxenchain.