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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: chas1 on Monday 16 January 12 19:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I have George Benj Beauchamp, brn 1903 Oxford, died abt Dec 1989 Hillingdon Middx. He married Mary Cartwright 5/5/1930 at St Gabriels, Deritend, Birm, Mary being the daughter of John Bourne Cartwright and Mary Yarnall, they were married 5/5/1892, at W/Brom Reg Off, Tipton. Any info ref said John Cartwright would be much appreciated, all the foregoing being boatmen, the cen records have not revealed a Cartwright family as boatmen.
Chas
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Does the marriage cert of George and Mary show her father John as being a boatman?
charlotte
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charlotte,
I do not know, I assumed that john carwright was a boatman; as a william bourne cartwright was also married to a jane yarnall and she is shown on the 1901 at st gabriel, birm, and william cartwright is shown as boatman away. I should not make assumptions!! that is all I can add to my last post hope this is useful.
chas
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the marriage cert would show what the son considered his father's occupation to be.
charlotte
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According to FreeBMD and West Midlands BMD, Mary YARNALL married John Cartwright BOURNE (not John Bourne CARTWRIGHT) - is this an error?
Rambler
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You might like to follow up this family:
1881
RG11; Piece 2936; Folio 37; Page 19 - Hanbury Terrace, Droitwich, Worcs
Thomas CARTWRIGHT Head 40 Boatman b. Droitwich
Ellen CARTWRIGHT Wife 46 b. Droitwich
John CARTWRIGHT Son 17 Boatman b. Harefield, Middlesex
Alfred CARTWRIGHT Son 10 Scholar b. Droitwich
Eliza CARTWRIGHT Dau 7 Scholar b. Droitwich
Thomas CARTWRIGHT Son 3 b. London
From FreeBMD:
Marriages Jun 1872
(possible spouses)
BOURNE, Ellen
CARTWRIGHT, Thomas
Birmingham 6d 178
If John was born pre-marriage, it's a possible explanation for the 2 versions of his name.
Added: Thomas' wife seems to be called Elizabeth in 1891, so this may be a red herring....
Rambler
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OK, this seems to be a fair match for the 1881 family above, but Thomas' wife is Elizabeth. ???
1871
RG10; Piece 3088; Folio 53; Page 49 - Feeder Arm (Canal Boat), Harborne, Smethwick, Worcs
Thomas CARTWRIGHT Head 34 Boat Steerer b. Hanbury, Worcs
Elizabeth CARTWRIGHT Wife 35 b. Droitwich
Hannah CARTWRIGHT Dau 14 b. Droitwich
William CARTWRIGHT Son 8 b. Droitwich (Possible match for husband of Jane YARNALL?)
John CARTWRIGHT Son 4 b. Hanbury
Alfred CARTWRIGHT Son 8 months b. Rickmansworth, Herts
1891
RG12; Piece 2343; Folio 42; Page 29 - Hanbury Terrace, Droitwich, Worcs
Thos. CARTWRIGHT Head 53 Waterman b. Hanbury
Elizth. CARTWRIGHT Wife 56 b. Droitwich (Deaf)
Thos. CARTWRIGHT Son 13 Waterman b. Droitwich
RG12; Piece 2343; Folio 42; Page 30 - Wharf, Hanbury St, Droitwich, Worcs
Jno. CARTWRIGHT Captain 23 b. Harefield, Middlesex
Jno. BROAD Mate 19 b. Wychbold, Worcs
Ages and birthplaces vary a bit, but this was the only Cartwright family I could see with canal connections. As Charlotte said, John and Mary's marriage cert should give his father's name and occupation, which would confirm whether we're on the right lines.
Do you know when/where Mary Cartwright (who married George Beauchamp) was born? If it was pre-1911, have you found her on the census?
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Hi Chas
Mary Yarnall and Jane Yarnall were my Great Aunts thier brother George Yarnall was my Great Grandfather.
The Bourne and Cartwright families were boatmen from Doitwich at one time they worked for the Doitwich Salt Company travelling between Droitwich Gloucester and London.
John Bourne Cartwright and William Bourne Cartwright's father was Thomas Cartwright. John and William worked for Fellows Morton and Clayton mainly on the Birmingham London run.
I have other connections to the Beauchamp's from Oxford through the marriage of Grandmothers sister to William Lamsdon
Regards
Lorna
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hi, thanxs to all cleared up a puzzle, chas
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Hi Bob
Nice to speak to you again I've met so many people over the years at the Museum it's at Stoke Bruerne by the way.
I think you might have the right death certificate as they lived at Appletree Avenue in Yiewsley which comes under the Hillingdon area.
A lot of the boat families ended up in Yiewsley and West Drayton thats where I was born.
I have just retired from the University you can email me on that for the next month but then I will loose it If you can email me I will then send you my new email address.
For the for seeable future I will be updating all my boat families and doing a lot more research now that I have the time.
Regards
Lorna
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New to this site - My father was Albert Joseph Beauchamp, he was a twin with Abel, there was sisters Lucy and Fanny and another brother called George Beauchamp who married Mary Cartwright. On her side of the family, there was also twin girls. They lived first by the canal at West Drayton and then moved to Yiewsly, Middx, All the children were born on the canal to George and Clara.
I don't know if this is the same family.
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New to this site - My father was Albert Joseph Beauchamp, he was a twin with Abel, there was sisters Lucy and Fanny and another brother called George Beauchamp who married Mary Cartwright. On her side of the family, there was also twin girls. They lived first by the canal at West Drayton and then moved to Yiewsly, Middx, All the children were born on the canal to George and Clara.
I don't know if this is the same family.
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New to this site - My father was Albert Joseph Beauchamp, he was a twin with Abel, there was sisters Lucy and Fanny and another brother called George Beauchamp who married Mary Cartwright. On her side of the family, there was also twin girls. They lived first by the canal at West Drayton and then moved to Yiewsly, Middx, All the children were born on the canal to George and Clara.
I don't know if this is the same family.
Hi Margaret
This is the same family
Lorna
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I have at last solved the mystery of the Bourne Cartwright brothers
Thomas Cartwright Waterman son of Thomas Cartwright Boatman under the name of Cartridge married Elizabeth Bourne daughter of William Bourne Boatman 19/7/1872 St John the Baptist Church Claines Worcestershire. They were all from Droitwich.
Children Hannah 1857 William 1862 John 1866 and Alfred 1870 registered as Bourne Eliza1874 and Thomas 1878 registered as Cartridge.