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John Eggett married Lydia Winn (1739-1808)in St Nicholas church Yarmouth on 3rd Feb 1761 and was buried on 13th April 1806.
IGI give a suggested birth of 1744 in Yarmouth together with his marriage record, but there are no further details and Freereg have the marriage but no birth.
The Norfolk transcription archive has details of the children of John and Lydia with Eggettt spelled in a range of ways( Agate, Aggett, Egot etc) but no birth for John.
Ancestry has nothing relevant at all.
Please can anyone help or suggest where else I could look?
Thank you -Jan
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have you tried the Norfolk PRs:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/collection/1416598/waypoints
or AT's:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2F6893468
Diddy
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Thanks very much Diddy -I'd heard of this site before but never found it. I've used it to confirm their marriage which states both "of this parish", but I'm not sure how to go about finding John's birth. Do I just plunge in and read everything from about 1734-44 (assuming that he was baptised here)or is there some kind of index?
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unfortunately its only organised by place not surname - and no index. worth looking through Yarmouth anyway unless someone comes up with local PR knowledge..
Diddy
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where did you get the death from - wonder whether the PRs death would give age?
Diddy
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have had a look at the PR burials - and unfortunately after 8 April - June they are water damaged adn missing - you want the 13th April!! Sods law - all deaths have age which would have helped.
Diddy
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You genius! I'd got the death from family search but I just checked Freereg which also gives the age -71. That means he must have been born about 1735 or possibly 1734. Still a lot of checking but at least the field is a bit narrower -all I need now is a few days with nothing else to do!
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Just an update on this one-I took Diddymiller's advice and link,and trawled through the St Nicholas PRS for 1732-36. Nothing definite and enough water-damage especially at the tops and bottoms of the pages to convince me that John Eggett could easily be in hiding! There was one possibilty- the surname ELGATE which I hadn't seen among the various spelling of Eggett. There is a John-son of John and Mary baptised 28 May 1727-hmm-possible perhaps.
It's quite likely that John Eggett's father was also John, since they named their first 2 sons John (followed by James -the name of Lydia's father.)
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I found a record on Familysearch " John Eggate baptised 6 May 1733 son of John Eggate and Susan his wife" . I t said Norwich but when I looked at the original and managed to decipher the parish it was Narborough (Narburgh).
The age would fit as does the father's name. Narborough is 54 miles from Great Yarmouth. What do people think-am I clutching at straws- given that i've already said that some of the Yarmouth records are water damaged? Would he - or his parents have walked to Yarmouth to work? I'm undecided.
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Hi Jan,
I've been having a look for your John Eggett but not having much luck.
The one you mentioned earlier, John Elgate looked a good bet, but I found a burial for him on 22 August 1727 at Yarmouth, son of John and Mary.
I know what you mean about the Great Yarmouth PR's ... oh dear, it's so frustrating - and the ADT's around that time are just as bad, so yes it's possible he's there but not see-able.
I don't see why the Narborough John couldn't be yours.
I couldn't find a burial for him, nor a later marriage.
Just one other thought - I saw that John Eggett and Lydia were married by licence - have you looked for it? You never know, it may give some clues.
Yorkslass
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Hi, just a thought, but instead of walking, Narbourgh is not far from the Great Ouse, which flows to the sea. I think he would have been more likely, to have sailed to Yarmouth, than walked, is there any info, that he was a possible mariner. He could have gone from Narbourgh, to GY, all the way, by boat,the river Nar feeds the Ouse, it is 160 miles approx by road. Dave.
Oh dear, should have checked before posting, it should be 60miles
as you said, and not my misprint of 160miles.
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Hello again,
If you haven't already got it Jan, here's the Marriage Bond for John Eggett and Lydia Winn.
Nothing terribly helpful though ...
I see the other bondsman was John Brown who was also a witness at their marriage.
Might be worth investigating any links with him and his family, though with a name like that it won't be easy!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e8y/
Yorkslass
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Thank you berkeley and Yorkslass. I hadn't thought of travelling to Yarmouth by boat as berkely suggested and thought that made the Narborough birth a possibility. But Yorkslass- your copy of the marriage licence was far from "Nothing terribly helpful though ."
It gave the information that John Eggett was a shipwright. Presumably he served an apprenticeship for this which means he must have spent the preceding 7 or so years in Yarmouth. I also found him on this list of the freemen of Yarmouth -although he isn't on there in earlier or later years. http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/y/yarmouth/poll1777.shtml
So -he may have been born in Narborough or he may be another "bottom of the page" St Nicholas baptism. The Narborough names John and Susan aren't much help. John Eggett and Lydia Winn ,his wife named their first four children John and Lydia, then used the names of Lydia's father and sister-James and Sarah, but not her mother Margaret.Other children were George, Ann and Michael so no more clues there.
But -I do know he was a shipwright, which I'm very pleased about so thank you once again Yorkslass! :)
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I think I've found the link between John Browne and John Eggett. In 1753 Lydia Winn's older sister Deborah married John Browne. I presume it was the same John Browne, though it's not certain of course.
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Hello Jan
Just to make researching even more difficult, in Norfolk, Leggett, (and other spellings), is often a variation of the surname. I see in Gt. Y. Lydia, a daughter of John and Lydia, was buried in 1763 as Leggatt. (see FreeReg)
There is a John and Hannah having two children baptised in Gt. Y. but I cannot see a son John at present:
1726 Robert of John and Hannah Leggat
1730 Hanna of Jn and Hanna Leggit
Hannah Leggat aged 88 the widow of this John was buried in Norwich in 1791 (all on FreeReg)
Hope this helps :)
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Thank you Poppy Rose that seems like a good line of enquiry. I found the birth and burial of the 1763 Lydia along with their other children on the Norfolk Transcription archive. I've found various spellings-Eggatt/Agate/Aggett/Eggot etc, but never tried Leggett.
The birth dates of Robert and Hannah would make them possible siblings.
I've just had a look and found John Leggett baptised 14 October 1722. there is also Thomas 1723/4 -both born to John and Hannah. I also found the burial of baby Lydia-her parents are definitely "my" John and Lydia.
It seems possible that John and Hannah were John Eggett's parents, though it does make him 10-13 years older than I thought. 39 when he married and 84 when he died so I'm not certain. Opinions please! :-\
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I found John Eggett, shipwright, listed here http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/y/yarmouth/poll1777.shtml
Also listed are John LEGGETT shipwright, his son John jnr, mariner and son Robert shipwright.
I don't expect John got 2 votes for different spellings so I think the Leggetts must be another family.
Lydia's burial in 1763 as Leggett may just have been a parish clerk's error.
Shame-it all fitted so well! I'm still open to suggestions though-ever hopeful! ::)
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I am also interested in Eggett family & I came across an entry that may help in the search for the origin of John Eggett shipwright husband of Lydia Winn ?
Benjamin EGGETT mariner of Gorleston (near Yarmouth) mariner was father of John Eggett apprenticed to Samuel Jennip shipwright in 1717
Gen Soc on line find
SOG Vol
9
SOG Page
1748
I R1 Reference Volf Folio
45 f 78
Year of Indenture
1717
Apprentice Surname
EGGETT
Apprentice Forename
John
Parent First
Benjamin
Apprentice/ Parent Place
Gorleston
Parent county
Suffolk
Parent Citizen Yes/-/ Burgher
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Parent Occupation
Mariner
Parent deceased
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Master Forename
Samuel
Master Surname
JENNIP
Master Place
Great Yarmouth
Master county
(Norfolk)
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Welcome to Rootschat, EyeDoc, that's an interesting find. I've never heard of Gen Soc.
I think you may have found a record of John Eggett's father and grandfather. The John Eggett I was searching for was married in 1761 and died, aged about 71 in 1806. This could easily be an apprenticeship record for John Eggett's father,also John, which would make Benjamin his grandfather. The same name and occupation make it highly probable the two John Eggetts were related.
(I should add that I don't know for certain John Eggett's father was called John , but it seems probable. If the John Eggett of the record was an uncle it still seems likely that Benjamin was his grandfather.)
If the John Eggett that I have been searching for was born in Gorleston it would explain why I've been unable to find a baptism record since there are far fewer Suffolk records online and he was unlikely to have been baptised at St Nicholas in Yarmouth.
John Eggett and Lydia Winn were my 5 x grandparents- in what way are you related to the family?
Thank you for supplying a new line of enquiry, Jan
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Thank you for replying so promptly. I apologise for not writing GenSoc in full - I am new to the site & I cut and pasted my old notes from Society of Genealogists, London website.
I agree that John Eggett mariner apprenticed as a shipwright in 1717, son of Benjamin EGGETT of Gorleston, is a good candidate for being the father of John Eggett born about 1735 (from age at burial) husband of Lydia Winn.
It seems that around Gorleston & Yarmouth you have Eggett and Leggett and Leggat spellings of men who are contemporary shipwrights and mariners. Possibly the Leggett & Eggett families are unrelated (or only far back) if the family at this time could write their own name. however, they may be more closely related if the spelling of their name just varied with where their parish was and if they didn't spell it themselves? I have in my notes collected parish records from those of both spellings in my efforts to join up as many Eggetts as possible to help me trace back my own line.
I found the post that suggested migration of the family along the river route rather than road very interesting. I wonder how the King's Lynn Eggetts are related possibly also initially seafarers like the Yarmouth branch?
"My" part of the Eggett tree has spellings Egget(t) Eggot(t) & Eggit(t) in this period as my branch were probably agricultural labourers or farmers so the family name was phonetic and the spelling depended upon who wrote it and often changed with the handwriting in parish records and even more so when they moved parish. My line starts with a John & Barbarie Eggett who start baptise children in Shouldham Thorpe 1710-1716, West Dereham 1730, Tottenhill 1730-1733 & who progeny found all the Tottenhill Eggetts. There is a John Laiget who marries in 1688 Shouldham Thorpe who could be his father but it is more likely my John was part of the Great Dunham family.
Back to trying to find the parents of John Eggett shipwright born about 1735 who married @ St Andrew's Great Yarmouth in 1761 Lydia Winn (possibly a niece of his boss)
options:
1) John "of Gorleston" son of Benjamin a shipwright - best candidate, but no Benjamin I think in the family? I haven't found any early Eggett records in Gorleston. The family I have found there spell their name Leggett for example Charles Leggett 1768-1841 who was a pilot.
2) A Thomas Eggot widower married in 1710 @ Burgh Castle near Yarmouth - I cannot find any children baptised & I think usually 1st or second son named after grandfather & John's were John, James, George I think.
3) 6 MAY 1733 @ All Saints Narborough baptism of Joannis son of Joannis & Susan EGGATE - 55 miles Yarmouth & he called his 1st Lydia, 2nd Susanne - This was my favoured option until I found the apprenticeship.
If you find any more clues I will be grateful if you let me know. Happy hunting. Isabelle
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I have an interest in the Eggett family that lived in Tottenhill, Norfolk. My great grandmother, Hannah Eggett married a John William Lister. They produced several offspring including my granddad, Archie Lister, who in turn fathered my mother, Joan Maureen Lister.
Interestingly I have recently moved to the Norfolk area and am now living just 30 minutes from Tottenhill. My present focus is Sarah Eggett who was Hannah's mother, but I am having difficulty locating the identity of any father. I know from a marriage certificate that Sarah Eggett's father was John Eggett, a labourer, and I think I know that Sarah may have been in Downham Market Workhouse in 1841 (census record).
Would love to be able to fill in some more details about Sarah and am planning a visit to Norfolk Records Office to view Workhouse minute books. I might even be able to view Tottenhill Parish Records. This might give me an insight into Sarah's parentage.
Any signposting would be greatly appreciated. Some of the Lister family moved to the Exeter area and I know that they too are interested in the Sarah's life and parents.
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It's so long since I posted my original request that I'm not sure whether anyone will be interested in the final outcome, but in case anyone is, I thought I would post my eventual findings.
Eyedoc's helpful reply concerning the apprenticeship of John Eggett, son of Benjamin was a huge clue!
Ancestry has recently included some records from Gorleston among their "Norfolk, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812". From these I was able to find that John Eggett was baptised 7th Mar 1735 • Gorleston with Southdown, Suffolk, England. He was the son of John (as we suspected) and Elizabeth Eggett. I haven't found their marriage record or Elizabeth's maiden name. They had one other child that I have found, Margaret, baptised 1733.
John died in 1744 and Elizabeth (Elizabeth Eggett, widow.) in 1750.
John senior-he of the very helpful apprenticeship record- was baptised 3th Oct 1703 • Gorleston-on-Sea, Suffolk, England.
He was the son of Benjamin Eggett and Margaret Stone.
Benjamin and Margaret married in Gorleston in August, 1699. They had 6 children in 21 years:-Richard, John, Margaret, Benjamin who died in infancy, another Benjamin, and finally, Rachel.
I don't have any birth records for Benjamin or Margaret, but Margaret died in 1727, described as "Margaret Eggett, wife of Benjamin" and Benjamin died in 1728.
9 years of searching and I finally found him! Many thanks to everyone who made helpful suggestions. :D