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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: trevorfisher on Monday 16 January 12 10:30 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am hoping to find information on my Great Granmother's family. My G,Grandmother was Mary Harper possibly born in Kilkenny in abt 1867. She married Robert Thompson, (1856 - 1945) who served in the Royal navy. Robert Thompson was born in Co Carlow and was adopted and raised in Greystones. His birth parents Alexander and Anne Thompson didn not raise him.
I have records of her from the 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses, and family lore says that her family was from Kilkenny.
Many thanks,
Trevor
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am hoping to find information on my Great Granmother's family. My G,Grandmother was Mary Harper possibly born in Kilkenny in abt 1867. She married Robert Thompson, (1856 - 1945) who served in the Royal navy. Robert Thompson was born in Co Carlow and was adopted and raised in Greystones. His birth parents Alexander and Anne Thompson didn not raise him.
I have records of her from the 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses, and family lore says that her family was from Kilkenny. I do have a memory from my childhood in the 60's of going to visit distant cousins on a farm in Kilkenny
Many thanks,
Trevor
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probably the place to start would be with the marriage of Mary and Robert - or do you already have that ?
Can you post the census links ... it helps the search if we have all the details
Shane
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1901 census is
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_City/College_Green/1304602/
1911 census is
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_City/College_Green/60401/
I dont have any records of the marriage of Mary and Robert, unfortunately. I am new to all of this so it is probably starting me in the face somewhere!!
Many thanks!
Trevor
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thanks - beside the years married, there's often clues in the other details - e.g. places of birth for children etc
The couple are married 17 years, so c1894. And the children are born Dublin City and Co. Kilkenny
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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It's an interesting address the family have in 1911 - right next door to the old parliament building - now the Bank of Ireland. Most of those buildings were offices for solicitors, insurance companies etc.
A Robert Thompson is listed in Thom's directory of 1914 at number 3, as caretaker. So maybe a part time job for him ?
Shane
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A possible marriage for Robert and Mary in Kilkenny district, which is based in the city but also covers surrounding areas.
name: Robert Thompson
registration district: Kilkenny
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1893
Volume: 3 / Page: 331
Name: Mary Harper
[same index references as Robert]
For details on certs and ordering them from the GRO see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Many thanks,
I will follow these threads!
Trevor
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The marriage record should show Mary's father's details (name and occupation) and also Mary's place of residence at the time of marriage which may give clues to verify, or rule out, any possible births certs for her.
There are a number of registration districts which cover Co. Kilkenny. There is a possible birth around the right time on the BMD Index, again in Kilkenny city registration district, of a Mary Eliza Harpur... dont know if the middle name rings any bells..
Name: Mary Eliza Harper
Registration district: Kilkenny
Event type: Birth
Year: 1867
Volume: 13 / Page: 539
Shane
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That birth is included in the extracted records on family search - the year and page number matches the index record :
Name: Mary Eliza Harper
Birth date: 10 Jul 1867
Birthplace: Tiscoffin, Kilkenny
Reference No. : 539
Parents : Edward Harper & Margaret Bolten
these extracted records often show place of birth as a district, rather than a specific townland or street.
Shane
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that Harper family look to be a very good match - there's also a listing for Mary's sister Harriet as shown on the 1911 return, with the same parents :
Name: Harriet Harper
Birth date: 08 Dec 1876
Birthplace: Grove, Kilkenny
Parents : Edward Harper & Margaret Bolton
see : extracted births - Harper/Bolton (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aharpur~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Abolton~&collection_id=1584963)
Shane
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There's also a likely marriage for Edward and Margaret :
Groom: Edward Harper / age 25 (c1837)
Bride: Margaret Bolton / age 23 (c1839)
Marriage Date: 15 Sep 1862
Marriage Place: Drumcannon, Co. Waterford
Groom's Father: Robert Harper
Bride's Father: John Bolton
see : link (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXV-HTK)
Drumcannon is in the south east of Co. Waterford, near to Tramore.
Shane
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This looks like Edward & Margaret Harper in Kilkenny in 1901 - looks like one of Robert Thompson's children was living with them too !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Kilkieran/Cramersgrove/1451697/
This is them in 1911 !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Kilkieran/Cramersgrove/528144/
Tara
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Folks,
Thanks so much for all of that.........looking in the right place makes life a lot easier.......
Now to start on some other bits of my family!
Trevor
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There's a birth of an Edward Harper to a Robert and Mary Harper in County Kilkenny in 1835 (also a Jane and Elizabeth in 1837 and 1840) and also a marriage of a Robert Harper to a Mary in Kilkenny in 1835. All on
www.rootsireland.ie
Good possibilities for your people.
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Hi Trevor
Edward was indeed married in Waterford and moved back to Kilkenny. Emily is your grandmother I believe. my father believes he may have met you in 60's and is also in contact with B Thompson in Cobh
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Hi Lorelei,
Thanks for that - if your father met me n the 60s, I was very young. But I do remember going to Uncle Bob Thompson in Cobh in the late 60s / early 70s
Trevor
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Hello to Trevor
Just saw your requests. I am your second cousin, descendant of Molly Thompson's youngest brother. I have lots of data on the family dating back to the 18th Century. Would love to make contact with you directly if you are still interested.