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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: jamparever on Saturday 14 January 12 23:19 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
re John LULHAM.
My ggg grandfather was listed as a soldier on several of his children's baptism records.
He married in 1794 at Cheriton, Kent. There was one daughter born in Hull in 1795, a son born c1797 at Blyth, son at Kingston Upon Thames in 1799, a daughter at Seven Oaks 1802, a son at Dover, Kent c1806, another son at Dover 1807 and then 3 more children at Kingston between 1809 and 1814. His other occupations were Blacksmith, Gunsmith and Whitesmith.
I was looking for help to try and find any records of him serving in the military, possibly the Surrey Militia and if the places & dates that children were born coincides with any other unit.
Regards,
Barbara ;)
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Hello - Not sure if it is relevant or even the same man (as Lulham appears to be a common name in the area - and it is Sussex rather than Surrey) but have you seen this interesting entry about John Lulham in Udimore Parish records, Sussex?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=179-par497-ead&cid=-1#-1
For some years the living of Udimore was held as a perpetual curacy, perhaps to allow its poor stipend, complained of by one of its holders in about 1720 (PAR497/1/1/1), to be shared by the incumbent of a neighbouring parish
Overseers of the Poor: militia PAR497/36 1799-1813
Former reference: PAR497/36
Order from magistrates to Udimore overseers, to maintain Elizabeth Lulham, wife of John Lulham, currently serving with the militia, and son John PAR497/36/1 5 Jan 1799
Former reference: PAR497/36/1
Records are held at East Sussex Records Office
Milly
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Hi Milly,
I had come across that information and believe it to be my John & wife Elizabeth and their son John.
John was baptised on 29.03.1799 at Kingston and according to other trees & researchers he was born 03 Feb 1799 so after the date of the order.
But there are so many Lulhams in Sussex it is hard to know for sure. Again, I wonder why she was there at that particular time without John snr. They spent most of their life in Kingston, Surrey.
Thanks for taking the time to reply,
Barbara :-\
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according to other trees & researchers he was born 03 Feb 1799 so after the date of the order.
Are you sure thats a date of birth, and not a date of baptism?
Before 1837, baptism dates were recorded - birth dates were often ignored?!
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The baptism date was 29.03.1799 at Kingston, Surrey but I don't know where the birth date came from. I bought his death certificate and it doesn't give a dob of course but age in 1841 was given as 45 yrs so that makes him born c1796.
Nothing ever tallies right though and a lot of my information has come from the IGI site where a lot of guesstimations are made simply by the facts know at the time.
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It would be interesting to see what is in those poor relief records - it may say what he is doing in the militia and confirm he was not from Sussex. Seems odd they would pay upkeep from someone who was not local - unless his wife'S family were from Sussex.
There are a couple of other John Lulham's around in Sussex at the time - there was a tailor and a cordwainer - one who was involved in a bastardy bond case... (Records showing on national Archives search at East Sussex Records Office). I also saw a record where a John Lulham of Sussex was sentenced to death for sheep stealing.. It is possible that one of those was in the militia too and it is just a coincidence he also married an Elizabeth".
Milly
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I have sent for a copy of the records so will need to wait and see. I previously had no details about his wife's parents so I followed up the possibility of her family livng at Udimore, even though she was baptised in Kingston.
I did find a possible birth for her father, Stephen Harris at Bodiam. Not being familiar with the geography of Sussex, I googled both towns and they seem to be reasonbly close to each other, so not to be discounted totally as a possibility.
The John involved in the bastardy case is his uncle. There were two brothers involved in the sheep stealing incident and I think they are also related and I am still working on linking up the Surrey & Sussex Lulhams.
James was hung and John was sent to Australia as a convict. James married an Elizabeth and John married a Charlotte and by coincidence, their son John was born 1799 also but in September.
Barbara ;)
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but age in 1841 was given as 45 yrs so that makes him born c1796.
Ages on the 1841 census were (supposed to be) rounded down to a mutliple of 5 years.
So a quoted age of 45 actually meant aged 45 to 49!
That gives a dob c 1792-1796
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Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. He died Dec 1841 age given as 45 but in 1841 census his age was given as 40.
re the Udimore Lulhams, I found deaths for John, Elizabeth and John jnr in Udimore today and none of it matches the Lulhams I am searching so I guess I can eliminate the maintenance order as my John, but will still wait and see what the records say.
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I have found some Historical Records of the Second Royal Surrey Militia: or Eleventh Regiment of Milita made up of 508 pages and have had a quick look at them and it gives the marching orders for them etc so will need to spend some time reading it all to see what locations they were sent to and see if it ties in with where some of the children were born
:)