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Title: Glenlee House
Post by: joxer42 on Saturday 14 January 12 22:45 GMT (UK)
I am researching Glenlee House in Burnbank and surrounding woods and would appreciate any photo's or info on same.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Saturday 14 January 12 22:56 GMT (UK)
In 1901 it was the home of the Miller family

Jean W Miller 53
James Miller 29
William B Miller 28
Catherine W Miller 24
Thomas Miller 21
Jean Miller 19
Elizabeth Tait 36
Elizabeth Irvine 25
 
 
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Saturday 14 January 12 23:14 GMT (UK)
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&id=202769
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 14 January 12 23:17 GMT (UK)
In 1901 it was the home of the Miller family
Jean W Miller 53

This is Jean Waddell Black, widow of Alexander Ronald Miller of Glenlee House, who was born in Coatbridge. Jean was my 2nd cousin 3 times removed.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Saturday 14 January 12 23:24 GMT (UK)
1881

William Connell 66 Occupation: Plumber & Brassfounder Employing 225 Men born Lochwinnoch Renfrewshire
Anne Connell 52
William Connell 25
James G Connell 22
Jessie E Connell 21
George D Connell 19
Thomas G Connell 18
Mary A McDonald 28
Jane Crawford 25
Elizabeth Mathews 22
Robert Waddington 25
 
 
Address: Glenlee Mansion Highblantyre Road
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Saturday 14 January 12 23:41 GMT (UK)
In 1901 it was the home of the Miller family
Jean W Miller 53

This is Jean Waddell Black, widow of Alexander Ronald Miller of Glenlee House, Coatbridge. She was my 2nd cousin 3 times removed.

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-ftopic93-0-asc-210.html
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Sunday 15 January 12 00:39 GMT (UK)
1891

James Clelland Burns 59 born: Renfrewshire, Greenock Occupation: Shopowner
Grace Burns 24
Margaret Burns 23
Bessie Burns 19
Octavius Roe 36
Jean Alice Roe 25
Leonel Deck 30
Isabella Maxwell 40
John Adams 49
Alexander Mathieson 26
Marion Cunninghame 33
Kelly Murray 21
Bella Cruikshanks 26
Bella Ward 23
Margaret Merwood 20
 
 
Address: Glenlee Hamilton
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Sunday 15 January 12 00:54 GMT (UK)
1871

James C Burns 38 Occupation: Shipowner
Louisa D C Burns 29 wife  born: Monzievaird, Perth
Selima C Burns 8
Jane A Burns 7
Grace Burns 5
Margaret C Burns 3
Jessie Robertson 25
Alice M Bishop 24
Agnes Hislop 35
Margaret Main 19
Lavinia Sinclair 33
Helen Craig 28
Jessie Tolmie 26
Johana McLaren 38
Margaret Stewart 26

Address: Glenlee House


James Cleland Burns1
M, #161484, b. 17 June 1832, d. 18 December 1908

James Cleland Burns|b. 17 Jun 1832\nd. 18 Dec 1908|p16149.htm#i161484|Sir George Burns, 1st Bt.|b. 10 Dec 1795\nd. 2 Jun 1890|p19064.htm#i190639|Jane Cleland|b. 12 Jul 1793\nd. 1 Jul 1877|p23524.htm#i235236|Reverend John Burns|b. 1744\nd. 1839|p23523.htm#i235229|Elizabeth Stevenson||p23524.htm#i235233|James Cleland||p23524.htm#i235237|Margaret Rodger||p50063.htm#i500625|

Last Edited=14 Dec 2011
     James Cleland Burns was born on 17 June 1832.2 He was the son of Sir George Burns, 1st Bt. and Jane Cleland.2 He died on 18 December 1908 at age 76.2
     He lived at Glenlee, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.1

http://thepeerage.com/p16149.htm
 
 
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 15 January 12 09:18 GMT (UK)
Ah yes. James Clelland Burns was my 4th cousin twice removed. He was also 5th cousin once removed to Jane Waddell Black.

He was a ship, not shop, owner - the Burns line, and later Cunard.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 15 January 12 09:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for the image, Sancti and apanderson :)
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 15 January 12 21:36 GMT (UK)
This explains how the tall ship in the Clyde, the Glenlee, got its name.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 15 January 12 22:01 GMT (UK)
I wonder what, if anything, was the connection between Archibald Sterling and Co Ltd, who commissioned the Glenlee, and the Burns/Cunard shipping company, with which James Cleland Burns was connected? You'd hardly think that a shipping company would name a ship after the home of one of its rivals.

Also it seems odd that it was built as a sailing vessel as late as the 1890s. By that time, I would have thought that commercial sailing ships were on the way out. Must pay it a visit and ask some questions.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: al656guitar on Thursday 11 February 16 21:47 GMT (UK)
Researching my family I found my great-grandfather Alexander Mathieson was a footman at Glenlee House when he got married in 1890,I actually live not far from where the house was.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: DonM on Thursday 11 February 16 22:53 GMT (UK)
A nice blurb on the ownerships.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1465234753784998&id=1410099585965182

Don
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 14 February 16 18:55 GMT (UK)
A nice blurb on the ownerships.

Yes. Pity it's wrong.

The census records that the occupant in 1871 and 1891 was James Cleland Burns, not James Cleland. (In 1881 Burns and his family were in London and Glenlee was occupied by William Connell and family). James Cleland Burns (1832-1908) was the younger son of Sir George Burns (1795-1890) and Jane Cleland (1793-1877), who was a daughter of James Cleland (1770-1840), Superintendent of Public Works in Edinburgh and sometimes described as the 'father of statistics'. Sir George Burns was knighted in 1889, and his elder son John was 1st Lord Inverclyde and chairman of the Cunard shipping company.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: anne_p on Sunday 14 February 16 19:58 GMT (UK)
There is an article in The Glasgow Herald dated 20 May 1863.

Potter V The Hamilton and Strathaven Railway Company.

Mr Alexander Potter owner of a house at Glenlee  made a claim for damages to his garden and pleasure garden caused by flooding during Jul-Sep 1861.

Either Mr Potter owned Glenlee House at this time or ,Glenlee was a residential area consisting of a number of houses
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 14 February 16 20:56 GMT (UK)
The Facebook article says, "In the year 1878 when Lewis Potter was Jailed, J Clelland, Chairman of the Cunard Steamship Company bought the mansion and owned it for over 20 years. The last recorded tenants in the house were the Burns family ...."

The error is that it was James Clelland Burns, not J Clelland, who bought the house and lived in it. I assume that they were already renting it in 1871 from Lewis Potter; that in 1881, having bought it three years earlier, they let it to William Connell while they were living in London; and that they returned to live in it by 1891.

According to the University of Strathclyde Archives web site Burns & Laird Lines Ltd, a subsidiary of Coast Lines, was formed in 1922 from the amalgamation of Laird Line and G & J Burns, two long established Glasgow companies which had pioneered steam services between Scotland and Ireland. The new company offered freight and passenger services between Scotland and Ireland. The company ceased to exist in the 1970s. Therefore the Facebook article is correct in saying that the Burns family who lived in Glenlee House were connected to the Burns Laird Shipping Company, but that company was clearly formed after the death of James Clelland Burns in 1908, and after the family had ceased to live at Glenlee House.

During the lifetime of James Clelland Burns, the Burns family owned and ran the shipping company G and J Burns. Their services to the Western Isles were sold to their nephew David MacBrayne and eventually became Caledonian MacBrayne. Many of their other services were amalgamated with various other companies that eventually became the Cunard shipping company.

It was Sir George Burns, and later his son John Burns, later Lord Inverclyde, not J Clelland (or even James Clelland Burns, the occupant of Glenlee House), who were the heid yins in the Cunard company.

Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: sancti on Sunday 14 February 16 21:04 GMT (UK)
In 1861 Lewis Potter (Shipping merchant) was living at Udston House

1865 VRs has this

1 1865 Owner Occupier   BURNS JAMES CLELLAND LAND GLENLEE / HAMILTON   

2 1865 Owner Occupier   BURNS JAMES CLELLAND HOUSE AND PORTERS LODGE GLENLEE / HAMILTON
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 14 February 16 21:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Sancti, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Stephaniemiller on Sunday 02 April 23 22:05 BST (UK)
This was owned by my Papa's great grandfather (Miller). I've heard stories of this house since I was little, it's amazing to find a little of my family's history here.
Title: Re: Glenlee House
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 10 April 23 19:57 BST (UK)
Stephanie, if you are descended from one of the Millers of Glenlee House, you are related to me.

Which of the family are you descended from?