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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Pauline H on Friday 13 January 12 09:41 GMT (UK)
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Is it possible for someone's help in looking into Census listings for Victoria. I am not familiar when or how often the Census was done in Australia but would be interested between 1860 and 1870. Names of interest: Edward Roberts - Mary Roberts - Ellen Roberts - Thomas Earl Roberts and Henry Roberts. I have posted before requiring help with this family. I would just like to know if there is any census listing for them please. Thanks
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Pauline, there are very few early censuses that have been kept in Australia. Even now, census records will only be kept for a hundred years if you give specific permission for the authorities to do so.
There are Electoral Rolls, but these are mostly in the 1900s.
However, there may be other records we could help with.
Dee :)
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Thanks for that info Dee..I feel Im really at the bottom of the barrel for this family. I may put an order through and take a chance on what little info I have for the marriage in Melbourne August 1862 according to one of the children's birth certificate that Ive already purchased.
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Hi Pauline
Were any of these four, children? School records may be available.
Presumably these would be at PROVIC, but not known if they are indexed.
A lot of school records in Queensland have been indexed but I don't know about Victoria.
Presume you have tried TROVE?
Government Gazette?
Dawn M
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Do you know any occupations?
If a government employee, you might find something.
Dawn M
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Previous threads:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,575178.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,572741.0.html
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I want to thank you guys for replying to my recent post. I will try again with the parents and endeavour to find out when they came to Australia from England. All I know it was prior to 1862 and they may or may not have come together as they supposedly did not marry until that year in Melbourne.
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G'day Pauline
Is this Thomas Earl ROBERTS ?
Thomas Earl Roberts
Father's Name: Edward Roberts
Mother's Name: Mary Caulfield
Birth Place: Ballarat East, Victoria
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 19922
Cheers
Tern
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G'day again Pauline
Is Edward ROBERTS from Chester England and Mary ROBERTS nee Caulfield from Ireland ?
I see Ellen ROBERTS born 1863 Ballarat VIC
Thomas Earl ROBRTS born 1865 Ballarat VIC
Henry ROBERTS born 1865 ?
Edward and Mary married in Melbourne VIC in 1862. ::)
Cheers
Tern
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Terngirl, the information you are posting has already been given to Pauline :)
See reply #5 above for some of the links:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,575608.msg4278977.html#msg4278977
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Ta Merlin
Tern :-X
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Thank you terngirl. As merlin stated I have this info very kindly given by Roots and am really grateful for that. My problem now is that I am having difficulty in finding out more on Edward and Mary of their immigration to Australia and on their son's and daughter's emigrating to New Zealand. Once again sincere thanks.
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If Edward and Mary died in Victoria their death certificates will (should!) tell you how many years they have been in the Colony. This will help with the search for their arrival, so worth the cost.
Mo :)
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Thank you Momamg. The reason I haven't done this as yet is because according to one of the certificates already purchased calculates 'living in New Zealand' for 50 years which meant the child was only 15 and the other siblings 13? at the time of emigrating from Australia to NZ (figuring around 1878) and I cannot believe they would do this without their parents. Probably why I am having so much difficulty in tracking them. I am sure I have tried all resources open to me.
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I understand. I had a look in Victorian Pioneer Index 1836 - 1888 but couldn't see a death for Edward or Mary, so you're on the right track about them going to NZ with the kids, I think.
Good luck with your search,
Mo :)
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G'day again Pauline
Is Edward ROBERTS from Chester England and Mary ROBERTS nee Caulfield from Ireland ?
I see Ellen ROBERTS born 1863 Ballarat VIC
Thomas Earl ROBRTS born 1865 Ballarat VIC
Henry ROBERTS born 1865 ?
Edward and Mary married in Melbourne VIC in 1862. ::)
Cheers
Tern
Tern did you find this information on a birth certificate and if not, where from please?
Cando
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G'day again Pauline
Is Edward ROBERTS from Chester England and Mary ROBERTS nee Caulfield from Ireland ?
I see Ellen ROBERTS born 1863 Ballarat VIC
Thomas Earl ROBRTS born 1865 Ballarat VIC
Henry ROBERTS born 1865 ?
Edward and Mary married in Melbourne VIC in 1862. ::)
Cheers
Tern
Tern did you find this information on a birth certificate and if not, where from please?
Cando
Hi not sure if I am doing this correctly, but I have Edward and Mary listed as the parents of Ellen Thomas and Henry and yes, Mary came from Roscommon Ireland and Edward from Liverpool in England. It has been a while since I have done any research but feel free to contact me. I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away, I can't remember why, but was told that there was a possibility they could be made available. I did not follow thru at that point..
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I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,
Pauline may I ask who gave you that information please?
Was the marriage the same date and place on all three birth registrations in Victoria?
Cheers
Cando
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I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,
Pauline may I ask who gave you that information please?
Was the marriage the same date and place on all three birth registrations in Victoria?
Cheers
Cando
I have the death certificate of Thomas Earl Roberts. On this it states Mother: Mary Roberts nee Nihall and Father: Edward Roberts..I have the Birth registrations for Thomas, brother Henry and their daughter Ellen. On these it states when and where married and listed as September 1862 in Melbourne. On Ellen's Birth certificate the marriage is listed as August 1862 in Melbourne and Edward being from Chester, not Liverpool as is stated on the twins b.c...From what I can make out Henry lived 21 days and other info there Ellen is mentioned as a 2 year old.
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I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,
Pauline
Pauline may I ask who gave you this information please?
I find the information that Henry lived 21 days a bit odd.
Where did that come from?
It is usual to list previous living children on birth certificates in Victoria.
It seems to me that you have read that on Thomas's birth certificate that Ellen is 2 years old and possibly if the birth registration was a number of days after the birth of Thomas and Henry, that the elder twin would be listed as XX number of days of age because he is previous issue to the younger twin. A bit difficult when the information on certificates is not detailed including column headings ... you have the advantage of having the certs and we do the guessing. All part of the challenge ;D
There is no death registered for a Henry ROBERTS in Victoria with parents Robert and Mary CAULFIELD therefore I think you have misinterpreted the information on the birth certificate.
So there is no actual date for the marriage. It is usual to have the date in full ie day, month and year. I doubt there was a marriage as there is definitely nothing for an Edward ROBERTS to anyone in 1862. What were Edward and Mary's ages on the birth certs? Who was the informant?
I note there was a Mary CAULFIELD in a spot of bother with her employer in 1862 in Ballarat.
Cheers
Cando
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I had great difficulty in tracking their marriage, but was informed that there were registrations that had been locked away,
Pauline
Pauline may I ask who gave you this information please?
I find the information that Henry lived 21 days a bit odd.
Where did that come from?
It is usual to list previous living children on birth certificates in Victoria.
It seems to me that you have read that on Thomas's birth certificate that Ellen is 2 years old and possibly if the birth registration was a number of days after the birth of Thomas and Henry, that the elder twin would be listed as XX number of days of age because he is previous issue to the younger twin. A bit difficult when the information on certificates is not detailed including column headings ... you have the advantage of having the certs and we do the guessing. All part of the challenge ;D
There is no death registered for a Henry ROBERTS in Victoria with parents Robert and Mary CAULFIELD therefore I think you have misinterpreted the information on the birth certificate.
So there is no actual date for the marriage. It is usual to have the date in full ie day, month and year. I doubt there was a marriage as there is definitely nothing for an Edward ROBERTS to anyone in 1862. What were Edward and Mary's ages on the birth certs? Who was the informant?
I note there was a Mary CAULFIELD in a spot of bother with her employer in 1862 in Ballarat.
Cheers
Cando
Thomas is the elder of twins and Henry the youngest of twins. Very hard to distinguish the word prior to "25days" on Henry's certificate. I have looked again under light to see what the word was and it now looks like Thomas Earl 25 days and written under Ellen 2yrs. Twins 25 days apart????. Makes more sense that the registration was done 25 days after the birth. Edward's age 36 and Mary's age 34. The information comes from the birth registrations in the district of Ballarat Victoria. On Ellen's marriage and death certificate only her parents names are recorded. To be honest I cannot really remember whether I actually made a phone call or emailed the department in Victoria registering B.D.M. I suspect it would have been a phone call as I usually print out info or keep copies. As mentioned in previous posts Edward and Mary were very hard to track in Ballarat. Hope this helps a little bit.
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It is not unknown for twins to be born days or more apart.
Check this website for some examples
http://multiples.about.com/od/funfacts/a/twindiffbday.htm
Dawn M
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Hi, Pauline.
My g-grandfather was Henry John Roberts, an ex-soldier of the 56th Regiment, who married Sarah Jane Milroy. I only discovered he was at one time a soldier earlier today, because I'd been confused by other men with the name Henry Roberts in Australia. I don't know when they were married. My understanding is that members of the Milroy family traveled through South Africa, America and Australia before reaching NZ, but I have no firm knowledge of Sarah's movements beyond her traveling with the family. My grandmother was Mary Alexandra Roberts (the name Alexandra coming from one of the several 'Alexandra Mines' worldwide). I have no firm knowledge so far of my Henry Roberts being in Australia - though I think it's almost certain he was - but if so, his leaving Australia for NZ would fit in with your time frame and explain your difficulty in finding information on his death. I hope this information is of some help.
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Hi Glenys - gosh, it has been ages since I have done anything this side of the family..I hope you get this as I was sent a photo of Henry (one of twins) and his brother Thomas Earl..does that ring any bells for you. If so I am quite happy to send you a copy and all the information that I have via email..I mentioned our Henry was a twin to at least see if we are talking about the same..I know I found it very hard on gathering information about Henry, but did pick up a little bit more on Thomas. Hope to hear back from you.
Hi, Pauline.
My g-grandfather was Henry John Roberts, an ex-soldier of the 56th Regiment, who married Sarah Jane Milroy. I only discovered he was at one time a soldier earlier today, because I'd been confused by other men with the name Henry Roberts in Australia. I don't know when they were married. My understanding is that members of the Milroy family traveled through South Africa, America and Australia before reaching NZ, but I have no firm knowledge of Sarah's movements beyond her traveling with the family. My grandmother was Mary Alexandra Roberts (the name Alexandra coming from one of the several 'Alexandra Mines' worldwide). I have no firm knowledge so far of my Henry Roberts being in Australia - though I think it's almost certain he was - but if so, his leaving Australia for NZ would fit in with your time frame and explain your difficulty in finding information on his death. I hope this information is of some help.