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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Sharon Romany on Thursday 12 January 12 22:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi looking for info on Joe Buckley,he married a Bibby girl but not sure of her name, he was also the son of Perun Buckley,no name for his mother,I know in 1928 Joe was living with his father in the Eastwood encampment.
any info for the above appreciated
sajellybean
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Hi
There is a marriage on free bmd for a Joseph Buckley marrying a Sarah Bibby December 1922. They married in Billericay.
Regards
Lyne
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Caravan
Bohemia Estate Eastwood Essex
BUCKLEY Perrin b 1861 Latimer Road Cutter probably died 1957 Bromley Kent
BUCKLEY Emily b 1860 Colchester Pedlar / Hawker
BUCKLEY Louisa 1895 Lanbden End Essex
BUCKLEY Joseph b 1897 Canning Town horse boy
BUVKLEY Thomas b 1899 Canning Town
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Hi Again,
There is a marriage for Pearon Buckley to Emily Smith in 1884 in Malling, Kent, on Free bmd.
Regards
Lyne
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Hi NettieS, elzabels, thankyou for the replies and assistance,Hopefully this will take me a bit further.
regards sajellybeaens
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Your welcome sajellybeans.
There is also a birth for an * Buckley mothers maiden surname Bibby in 1925 in Billericay.
and the following births.
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Looking at the all the births I would say that two of the Buckley men married two of the Bibby girls.
Regards
Lyne
* Moderator's Note: details of births 1922-1942 removed in accordance with Rootschat policy- it is entirely possible any/all of these people are still living
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Hmmm wonder if he maybe one of the children of Joe,Ive got it mentioned in my notes they had a couple of children,Ive no listing of names for them so its a possibility.
thanks yet again sajellybeans
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Hi again,
A Leonard Buckley married a Lenda Bibby June 1922 in Rochford and a Pender Buckley married a Prudence Bibby in September 1929 in Rochford.
So the children are a combination of Joseph and his wife, Leonard and his wife and Pender and his wife.
Sorry I cant be of more help with the children.
Regards
Lyne
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Research Warning ::)
There could be a couple of BUCKLEY / BIBBY famillies around this time in Essex, I have found one on the census with a Lazarus as H/hold!
As with most Romany family, you have to expect the unexpected!
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sajellybeans
There is a live thread running on a romanyconnections.wetpaint.com site for this family,
Santalina BUCKLEY & Henrietta BOSWELL could be your ancestors,
One of Peron's sons, John married Menty LOVERIDGE
in which case you are looking at two of the main Romany family's BOSWELL & LOVERIDGE
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There are a lot of Buckleys and Loveridges around Cambridgeshire and Bedfordshire that could be possibley be connected to to your ancestors.
Regards
Lyne
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sajellybeans
There is a live thread running on a romanyconnections.wetpaint.com site for this family,
Santalina BUCKLEY & Henrietta BOSWELL could be your ancestors,
One of Peron's sons, John married Menty LOVERIDGE
in which case you are looking at two of the main Romany family's BOSWELL & LOVERIDGE
I found this on another site
Buckley - (Eastwood - Essex)
I'm looking for information on the Gypsy family BUCKLEY. Especially John BUCKLEY b. 1886 Kent, d.1967 Eastwood Essex, he was married to Jasmin 'Minty' LOVERIDGE (1891 - 1975)
So it could possibly be Perons son John.
Regards
Lyne
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I found this on another site
Buckley - (Eastwood - Essex)
I'm looking for information on the Gypsy family BUCKLEY. Especially John BUCKLEY b. 1886 Kent, d.1967 Eastwood Essex, he was married to Jasmin 'Minty' LOVERIDGE (1891 - 1975)
So it could possibly be Perons son John.
Hi Lyn can you remember which site you saw the above ? I understand if you can't as you and elzabels were helping me so much yesterday my mail was coming from here there and everywhere from the two of you,hope I can return the favour sometime.
regards jellybean
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sajellybeans,
The favour, mine are so boring AG Labs ( back to 1700) who never moved out of the Cumbrian village, in fact one to the descendents aged 94 is still living in the same village......... I was also surronded by family members who could take me back on thsi line to 1825!!!
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Hi sajellybean,
Firstly I must apologise to the moderators and yourself for putting all the births on here, I got carried away and totally forgot about Rootschat Policy. So apologies moderators and thank you for removing the info I posted on here.
The info I found on John Buckley and Minty was on the Curious Fox site it is an old posting, but I,m not to sure how old.
You do however need to have a look at these threads on here, they are from a couple of years ago.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,282566.10.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,372036.0.html
Also the University of Liverpool holds a special collection of photos, there are some of Peron Buckley taken about 1928, so you will have to contact them to ask if you can see them.
http://archiveshub.ac.uk/
Regards
Lyne
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NettieS
We all get carried away with our enthusiasm, I am sure the moderators understand this!
As you are finding, Romany folk are difficult to follow through the census / certificated system. They have alternative forenames and interchange their surnames, sometimes adopting that of their mothers, marriage after all the children is another possibility!
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Hi elzabels,
Yes sometimes Romany folk are difficult to find through the census/ certificated system, but so are some none Romany folk to lol. My maternal grandfather was a pain in the backside to find for years because he changed his name and it wasnt done legally, he was quite a scally really when he was younger.
One of my dads brothers did the same thing and he married into a Romany family ;)
Regards
Lyne
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Leonard ING compiled an "Index of BUCKLAND and BUCKLEY Names from the Journals of the Gypsy Lore Society 1888-1973" which contains "More than 300 references to about 200 Buckley and Buckland Travellers" - I quote from the Romany and Traveller Family History Society site RTFHS.org.uk.
Hope this is useful.
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Hi Darnity thankyou for the info,I do believe I have a book of the Buckley and Buckland names but I think my daughter has it at the mo,I also have another which has been helpful.
Some Travellers In
The 1891 census -2
this is published by the romany traveller family history society
regards Sharon
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afternoon all.
hi sharon, i can tell you that perons son joe buckley married a girl named emma bignell, not bibby. joe was living with his father in eastwood on the 1911 census listed as aged 14yrs. joe and emma had 6 children that i know of although the photos from the liverpool arcives show 8 children with him but thye may not all be his, so unsure of how many they had. and i believe thye married 1892. hope that helps, kushit bok :)
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oops sorry ignore that marriage date, wrong joe buckly lol these 2 married in 1921 i think it was
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hello i'm new to all of this.
i wanted to start looking up my family tree and stumbled across this chat regarding the buckley and bibby family. my grandad is john buckley and married d bibby. i could give you lots of names etc and yes they are a travelling family. you may find that lots of buckley's married bibby's.
if you need info i can contact my grandad and get details of specific individuals.
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hello tonic girl welcome :)
i have many bibbys and buckleys in my tree also. big families :D
were your grandparents married at eastwood church?
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hello
without asking my grandad i could not tell you. my grandad was the son of Ricky john Buckley and menty loveridge. he was one of 22 but only 13 children survived.
i will try to get an answer for you today.
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Hi Amanda thanks for your input, I mentioned he married a Bibby girl because it's what I have in my notes I need to check my research as to where or how i came to get that info,at the moment I'm just recovering from two leg ops,but will soon be taking advantage of my time off work to look at my tree in depth.
Thanks again
Sharon
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ok well, let me know what you find,
i have details of lots of buckley/bibby marriages for eastwood and some surrounding areas but none with the names that you are saying, but iw ill keep my eyes open :)
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What are the names you have? John Buckley and Doreen Bibby? ???
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as i said, not the ones your looking for but lots. ;D too many to list right now but if i get time i will try and reply at the weekend.
these were mainly married at eastwood church
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Hi Nettie5 , I am really interested in Esther Coxall Bramwell , born 1877 and was on the 1901 census in Bolton. My family is Coxall from Haslingfield who moved to Bolton.
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I havent come across an Esther Coxall Bramwell in my line as of yet, but will have a look about.
I assume you mean Haslingfield in Cambridgeshire? If so then I have Coxalls in my family tree as well from Cambridgeshire.
Found her on the 1901 Census it says she was born in Stoke Newington, London, will have to research some more.
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shame you didnt make that meeting at eastwood on sunday, there were many bibby/buckley descendants there especially connecting to menty loveridge & hubby as they were both buried at eastwood church :(
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Hi Amanda glad it was a good turn out,unfortunately I was at work as it was my shift in,maybe another time.Since we last corresponded I've found my Annie ( duriah's wife) fathers family,seems he wasn't a Lee as it was first wrote on some paperwork yet another aka used from my travelling family,but thanks for letting me know about your get together.
Sharon
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Hi Peter, your picture caught my eye . You have a strong resemblance to my son who lives in Lancaster .My 3 x gt grandparents were william Coxall and Alice Harper of Haslingfield, cambs. Are you descended from their grandaughter Elizabeth Alice Coxall and John Glynn? Could your resemblance to my son possibly be genetic or is it just chance. I tried to upload a picture of him but couldn't figure it out. my line is William Coxall and Alice, William Coxall jr and Mary Ann Jolley, Elizabeth Coxall and George Peace Elwood, George William Elwood and Elizabeth Gilmour (2nd wife) and my parents William Andrews and Kathleen Gilmour Elwood.
Kathy