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Title: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: alastair_banks on Monday 09 January 12 07:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

Do people think it's worth applying to GRO even if there isn't an entry in the GRO index for a birth?

I have a George Henry TOMKINS (son of George TOMKINS and Sophia BEANEY) who I can't find in the GRO index.

Information from each released census gives he was:
1881: 4 year old male, born Camberwell, Surrey
1891: 14 year old male, born Camberwell
1901: 25 year old male, born Peckham, Kent
1911: 33 year old male born Kent

From his Merchant Navy identity certificate, his date and place of birth are 22 Aug 1876 L'don, England.

Is it possible he's been missed in the GRO index?

Cheers

Alastair
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: sillgen on Monday 09 January 12 08:29 GMT (UK)
Did he have siblings and were they registered?  If so it might be better to contact the local office where they were registered rather than the GRO.    I assume you have looked under Tompkins.  Can't think of any other spelling variants at the moment.  Could he have been born before the marriage so registered under Beaney?
Regards
Andrea
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: avm228 on Monday 09 January 12 09:01 GMT (UK)
Another possible spelling variant emerges from the parents' marriage registration:

Marriage, Jun qtr 1876

John TOMKINGS
Sophia BEANEY

Lambeth 1d 614
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: alastair_banks on Monday 09 January 12 09:03 GMT (UK)
Quote from: sillgen on Monday 09 January 12 08:29 GMT (UK)
Did he have siblings and were they registered?  If so it might be better to contact the local office where they were registered rather than the GRO.    I assume you have looked under Tompkins.  Can't think of any other spelling variants at the moment.  Could he have been born before the marriage so registered under Beaney?
Regards
Andrea

Hi Andrea

Thanks for that.

Yes the siblings appear to be registered.

There's Amelia Caroline TOMKINGS birth registered Jun 1874 in Greenwich RD and
Ellen TOMKINS birth registered Sep 1877 in Camberwell RD.

Alastair
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 09 January 12 10:24 GMT (UK)
It looks like his birth may have been registered as George William TOMKINGS, Dec qtr 1876, Camberwell, 1d 835

Baptisms
Greenwich East Christ Church
1874 Jul 23, Amelia Caroline, d/o George & Sophia TOMKINS, 7 Alpha Place, Blacksmith, born May 10

Peckham St Luke
1879 Jan 31, George William, s/o George & Sophia TOMKINS, 3a Branch Buildings, Sailor
1879 Jan 31, Ellen, d/o George & Sophia TOMKINS, 3a Branch Buildings, Sailor
1881 Apr 29, John Henry, s/o George & Sophia TOMKINGS, 5 Diamond Street, Smith - census address in 1881

George TOMKINGS married Sophia BEANEY at St John's Waterloo Rd on 3 Jun 1876.

Ian C
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 09 January 12 10:34 GMT (UK)
John Henry TOMKINGS birth Jun qtr 1881, Camberwell, 1d 880.

Ian C
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: alastair_banks on Monday 09 January 12 11:18 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Eyesee on Monday 09 January 12 10:24 GMT (UK)
It looks like his birth may have been registered as George William TOMKINGS, Dec qtr 1876, Camberwell, 1d 835

Thanks Ian

I think you're right. I'll order the certificate.

Cheers

Alastair
Title: Re: Applying for birth record with no GRO reference
Post by: Sylmar on Monday 20 February 12 10:53 GMT (UK)
Have only just joined this site and noticed your thread re- George and Sophia Tomkins.   George and Sophia are my great-grandparents - their daughter Ellen, my grandmother..... I am digging deeper.... :)

Sylvia