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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: margnip2 on Monday 09 January 12 00:04 GMT (UK)
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Hi again, I now need help with the Fox branch.
By the 1901 census the family had moved to Dublin but they were all from County Kildare. On the census the family was:-
Laurence age 50
Bridget age 40
John age 29
Laurence age 27
Patrick age 25
William age 23
Thomas age 21
That's all I have on them apart from their daughter Elizabeth married Thomas Mooney and these became my great grandparents.
Once again thanks.
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Hi, I'm interested in finding out more about the Fox Mooney family.
I believe my great grandmother was Bridget Mooney. She married a Richard Williams in dublin.
I was wondering if you had any info on them, as at the moment I'm still unsure of whether it is 100% the right one.
Many thanks.
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Hi Jodi
Don't know if I can help you that much as I don't know much myself. There is a Bridget Mooney on the 1901 census for Kildare aged 7yrs. Parents are Thomas and Elizabeth Mooney, Thomas and Elizabeth are my great grandparents. By the 1911 census the family have moved to Dublin, Bridget is not on this one. The father Thomas had moved back to Kildare.
Bridget would have been born about 1894 if the age on the census is correct. Elizabeths' maiden name was Fox.
You would need to get the marriage cert for Bridget to get her fathers' name and where she was living at time of marriage. Then maybe try to find her birth cert.
Hope this helps
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Thank you for getting back to me.
I think it is the right Bridget. I have her marriage certificate and her father is named as Thomas mooney. She is living in dublin at the time, which would fit in with the rest of the family.
There is a half made family tree on ancestry.co.uk and Bridget is listed as being from kildare.
There is only one Bridget around the right time with Thomas as the father and born in kildare.
I thought I'd see if you knew any other info because you can never be sure!!
Thank you for your time
Jodi
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Hi again Jodie
Your great grandmother Bridget would be my dads aunty so my great aunt. My grandmother was Bridgets' sister Margaret Mooney. Other brothers and sisters of the family I have are Laurence born abt 1890, Patrick born abt 1892, Mary born abt 1903, Richard born 1904 died 1933 married a Margaret, don't know when or her maiden name and Michael born abt 1906. Margaret Mooney married my granddad Charles Byrne in 1927, Margaret died in 1934.
I also have the details of the electoral roll for 1939 - 1940 for 4 Bow Bridge Dublin. Family members on this are Elizabeth Mooney, Kate Mooney, Patrick Mooney, Michael Mooney, Charles Byrne, Kathleen and John Farrington. My dad and his brother would also have been living there at this time.
Hope this helps.
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That's a great help. Thank you.
I've found the Fox family on the census as well. Margaret and Richard died very young didn't they? I'm finding the Mooneys are a bit more difficult to trace! I had hoped that the Grandparents marriage certificates would have given more information, but they weren't too keen on details were they! I will keep looking though, that's all part of the fun I suppose.
Thank you for all of your help.
Jodi
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Hi ,
My grandfather was Thomas Mooney son of Thomas Mooney and Eliza Mooney nee Fox , I never knew my grandfather , and was wondering if anyone has any information . They family moved from Morristown Kildare to Dublin .lived in bow bridge St Dublin.
Maggs ;)
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I posted on the other thread.
Is this the family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Bow_Lane_West/71598/
It's better to stick to one thread or it gets very confusing.
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Moved when?
What county were they in 1901??
dublin? http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ntj/
kildare? http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ntk/
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I posted on the other thread.
Is this the family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Bow_Lane_West/71598/
It's better to stick to one thread or it gets very confusing.
::) ::) It certainly does!!
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Hi ,
My grandfather was Thomas Mooney son of Thomas Mooney and Eliza Mooney nee Fox , I never knew my grandfather , and was wondering if anyone has any information . They family moved from Morristown Kildare to Dublin .lived in bow bridge St Dublin.
Maggs ;)
My family are also from that area, so I've gathered up a good bit of info over the years, bit tight on time at the moment though.
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Hi ,
Wow just found out my grandfather was a farm servant in Castleknock , but has his family address in 4 bow bridge Dublin , he married in Castleknock , and I was wondering why , as he was working and residing in Castleknock . Great stuff to learn . Thanks
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Ah I see it's the Blacktrench Foxes, so neighbors of my lot. I've come across them quite often.
Eliza and Thomas marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10803/5939971.pdf
I'll got to for the moment but I'll have a look at the Fox family later if you want.
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Oh that's great news , my great grandfather was thomas Mooney married Eliza foxe from Kildare
Thanks for helping
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1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Morristownbiller/Roseberry/1442698/
Think Eliza's parents are Laurence Fox and Bridget Nowlan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03617/2335399.pdf
I want to do a bit more checking.
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Hi ,
Yes that's the Mooney family , they must have moved to Dublin , my grandfather married in Castleknock Alice donegan my grandmother , but I can't find any records on her , she passed away in 1973 . Thomas was a farm labourer , but still had an address at 4 bow bridge , Dublin , thanks for helping me , your a great researcher .
Maggs
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I see the marriage was in 1927 in St Patrick's Pelletstown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1927/09104/5293242.pdf
do you know in what context she would be there ? how old was she when she died to try and get an idea of her birth year
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/mother-and-baby-home-st-patricks-2380868-Oct2015/
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Laurence Fox and Bridget Nolan married 8 Oct 1857, Barrettstown
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634417#page/30/mode/1up
second last on right hand page
I wonder if they may have lost a baby as the first baptism is
Michael 6 Jan 1860 Blacktrench
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/12/mode/1up Top left
Mary 9 Feb 1862 Blacktrench
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/16/mode/1up Top Left
Eliza 26 May 1864 Derrees
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/22/mode/1up Top Left
John 29 July 1866 Blacktrench
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/26/mode/1up Top Left
Derrees is across the road from Blacktrench, but it says Blacktrench on her birth cert.
Barrettstown is beside Blacktrench.
I should add the Caragh Parish register is a mess, it's possible there are children missing from this list.
More later I hope!
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Michael married Mary Flaherty in 1893 in Properous for some reason.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10616/5867846.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Oldconnell/Lattensbog/1443459/
Son Edwards birth cert born Blacktrench.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02129/1809284.pdf
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Mary married Christopher Farrell in 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5962100.pdf
John may have married Annie Tyrrell late McGuire in 1879, his address at the time was Clongory another townland in the area.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11067/8049340.pdf
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On the marriage cert Thomas Mooney's father is Thomas.
There is a death of Thomas Mooney 1893 Rosberry informant daughter B Mooney.
His wife is still living
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06012/4711344.pdf
There is a birth of a Thomas Mooney to Thomas and Margaret Tierney, Roseberry 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03617/2335391.pdf
Mary 1862
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634536#page/4/mode/1up
Catherine 1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03554/2308712.pdf
Margaret 1872
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03263/2196057.pdf
Eliza 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03151/2155705.pdf
Bridget 1875
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03081/2129787.pdf
Julia 1878
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02967/2086933.pdf
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Mary Stanly married William Fox in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Oldconnell/Blacktrench/1443442/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10310/5753079.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Kennedy_s_Villas/56765/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nto/
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I wasn't sure who William was, can't see the FamilySearch link on iPad.
I see now he is another of Laurence and Bridget's children
Birth 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03139/2151134.pdf
Mary Stanly married William Fox in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Oldconnell/Blacktrench/1443442/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10310/5753079.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Kennedy_s_Villas/56765/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nto/
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Laurence Fox and Bridget Nolan married 8 Oct 1857, Barrettstown
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634417#page/30/mode/1up
second last on right hand page
I wonder if they may have lost a baby as the first baptism is
Michael 6 Jan 1860 Blacktrench
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/12/mode/1up Top left
Mary 9 Feb 1862 Blacktrench
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/16/mode/1up Top Left
Eliza 26 May 1864 Derrees
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/22/mode/1up Top Left
John 29 July 1866 Blacktrench
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634418#page/26/mode/1up Top Left
Derrees is across the road from Blacktrench, but it says Blacktrench on her birth cert.
Barrettstown is beside Blacktrench.
I should add the Caragh Parish register is a mess, it's possible there are children missing from this list.
More later I hope!
Just adding the other children from dathai's FamilySearch link
Laurence 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03411/2250982.pdf
Patrick 1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03287/2204639.pdf
William 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03139/2151134.pdf
Thomas 1878
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02944/2078561.pdf
Maggs maggs seems to have lost interest but they might be useful to someone else.
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hi folks
This is amazing to find this thread.
We have been working on a family mystery and I have, through DNA, located Laurence Fox and Bridget Nolan as potentially great grandparents of my father in law, who never knew his own father.
I have done a lot of work on this family line and just trying to figure out where the foxes might have fit in with the other family that has come up, lysaghts/lycetts etc
Happy to share any of my research with you re the Fox/Mooney/Williams side of things
Meabh
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Hi Meabh
I'm interested in your mention of the Lysath family.
I've been looking quite a bit at this family recently.
Are yours the Lysaths (and many variations) from Roseberry?
I've also been looking at a Fox family Thomas Fox and Rose Donnelly.
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I'm so sorry only getting back to you now, yes they are the same Lysaths (Lycett, Lysaght, Licied etc etc etc :-)
i am getting somewhere now but still not finding the connection btw the fox and lycett families
happy to chat/share info if u like
thanks
meabh
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Hi Maggs
Have done a bit of research on this, and got stumped too.
Pelletstown is also known as St. Patricks Navan Road and was a mother and baby home.
On Alice and Thomas marriage cert she is listed as a domestic servant there. Originally from Swinford in Co. Mayo. Her parents were John Donegan and MaryAnne Conmee
Birth cert here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02180/1825221.pdf
Would love to chat with you and get the descendents of the family into my tree.
We believe that Laurence Fox and Bridget Nolan are my father in laws great great grandparents!
Hi ,
Yes that's the Mooney family , they must have moved to Dublin , my grandfather married in Castleknock Alice donegan my grandmother , but I can't find any records on her , she passed away in 1973 . Thomas was a farm labourer , but still had an address at 4 bow bridge , Dublin , thanks for helping me , your a great researcher .
Maggs
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You can find more about Pelletstown here https://assets.gov.ie/118608/166df5bd-48c0-427d-9a63-79c08257c5d6.pdf
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Hi Jodie
Bridget Mooney was named Ann on her birth certificate from 1894 - link here.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02274/1854167.pdf
I could not find her anywhere with the family in the 1911 census, eventually found her recorded as a pupil at St. Joseph's Industrial School in Kilkenny.
I searched exhaustively and pretty sure this is correct
Happy to share other research info on this family if you would like
Meabh
Thank you for getting back to me.
I think it is the right Bridget. I have her marriage certificate and her father is named as Thomas mooney. She is living in dublin at the time, which would fit in with the rest of the family.
There is a half made family tree on ancestry.co.uk and Bridget is listed as being from kildare.
There is only one Bridget around the right time with Thomas as the father and born in kildare.
I thought I'd see if you knew any other info because you can never be sure!!
Thank you for your time
Jodi
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So why do you think there is a connection between the Lysath and Fox family and what sort of date are you looking at?
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Hi Sinann,
I wanted to comment after seeing your Fox family post. My name is Careyann Farrell, I am the Great Granddaughter of Mary Fox who married Christopher Farrell in 1886. Mary emigrated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA in 1887. I believe Mary was the only Fox child to emigrate to the US. I have been trying to research the Fox Family from the US to learn more about my Great, Great Grandparents.
I welcome your reply.
Careyann
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Hi All, confused who is a researcher and who is potentially a Fox Family relative of mine. See my post above to Sinann.
Thanks!
Careyann
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Maggs Maggs (reply #6) was asking about the same family as you, ie Mary Fox who married Christopher Farrell line.
dathai and I did some research for her.
So have a look at the posts after reply #6.
meabhp’s (Reply #25) father in law appears to have a DNA connection to the same family as Maggs Maggs.
Finally I have connections to a Fox family from the same area via a marriage to a Donnelly but if there is a connection to yours it maybe too far back to work out. I was interested in meabp’s mention of the Lysath family as one of my Donnelly girls also married a Lysath.
I haven’t time just now to look through the earlier posts. Hope this clears things up a bit for you.