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Please could someone look up on the 1841 census for Barnstaple. I am searching for details of Margaret Hunt (the age and place of birth)
My knowledge of this lady is fairly sketchy. Her husband was John Dennis Hunt an Ironmonger of Joy street, Barnstaple. I believe the ref for the census is: HO107/203/29 (or 25)
I have a record of the marriage on 19th August 1805 but not her age or place of birth although I think her maiden name was Harry.
Any details at all would help me greatly
KateW
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1841. cannot find margaret are you sure she was still alive at this time
HO107/203/2/17/29
john hunt age 60. occ. ironmonger
george hunt age 20. occ. ironmonger
catherine hunt age 20
living at; joy street,barnstaple
all born in county
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Thanks for looking. It looks as if she may not have been alive then. Death records would be my next thought but not if before 1837. Any idea where I can look next for her?
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Genechaser, than you for your Personnal Messages. I thought I had replied but think I must have misunderstood how to send PMs as there doesn't seem to be any sign of it in the Outbox. thanks for the information, gratefully received.
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Hi Kate
Where did the 1805 marriage take place?
Steve
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Ancestry records show the marriage was in Barnstaple.
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Margaret's maiden name was Harry and as my searches for Margeret Harry seem to some up mainly with results in Cornwall, I am going to ask the question on the Cornwall section. :)
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Hi Kate
I checked the marriage on the Barnstaple RO transcription - its as you say:
19 Aug 1805 John Dennis Hunt to Margarett Harry
They seem to have had two children baptised there as well - William (11 Mar 1807) and Mary (16 Dec 1808) - but none after this - I checked through to 1823, but the two individuals with John in 1841 may be grandchildren. The index to burials was not on the shelf today, so I couldn't check for Margaret's - if you like I'll try again when I next go.
Do you have John's ancestry - its quite easy to check back a couple of generations (eg Bap 7 Sep 1777, son of William & Dorothy, nee Dennis) if you haven't.
Steve
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Hi steve
That is very kind of you!
I have eight children for John Dennis and Margaret but you have made me check up more closely on them! I know they had a son, John born abt 1816 I but do not know his exact birth date. He was my 2x Gt grandfather and I have John Dennis stated as his father on the marriage cert. They also had twin sons George And Thomas born 29 Nov 1819 and three other daughters, Jane, Margaret and Catherine. I have several of them on Census reports.
I would be interested to know who was with him in 1841 census.
It is very kind of you to offer to look for Margaret's burial, yes, please! ;D
I did know that John was son of William and Dorothy Dennis and they married on 17 June 1776 in Barnstaple and that Dorothy was daughter of John Dennis and Mary Gould. I do not know who William's parents were though. Any information you could find would be brilliant.
Many thanks,
KateW.
PS: Which record office are you checking in, is it Exeter? Well, thanks so much!
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Hi Kate
I'm using the North Devon Record Office in Barnstaple (where I live) - there is a printed transcript of Barnstaple PR 1556-1812 and some typed transcriptions & indices for later. They also have microfiches and the originals themselves for most of North Devon.
The 1841 Census (given above by Wozzle) has George & Catherine, both aged 20 (it would have been rounded down to the nearest 5 years) with John Hunt. I assume that the baptisms of the other children are either in another parish, or nonconformist records.
I'll be going again to the RO in a couple of weeks & will check for Margaret's burial and William's baptism
Steve
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That is very kind of you, Steve!
Lucky you, living in Barnstaple :D I was hoping to find Margaret's place of birth on the 1841 census to see if she was born 'in county' or not, but she must have died before that date. Now I am wondering if she was a Barnstaple lass or if she came from over the border in Cornwall, where many Harry's seem to be recorded.
I'll look forward to seeing if you unearth any more details.
With thanks,
Kate
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I forgot to mention in my previous post that there was a family of Harrys, living in Barnstaple c1700-40, judging from the register transcript. I wonder if they moved to a nearby parish, rather than further afield, and that Margaret was one of them. I'll try & keep a lookout for them when I do any research
Steve
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there is a margaret henry/harry on the 1841 in barnstaple livng in joy street on the same page as your john hunt she is aged 30 occ baker
wonder if she could possibly be some relation to your margaret hunt
unfortunately where it asks the question whether born in or out of county all that is put in the column is 400?
maybe SKS could have a look and see what they can fathom out
mick
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Thanks Steve. If you have time and a chance to look, I would love to know if there is any more information about them.
Mick, that is something I missed from the 1841 census but as I have not recorded where I had the information from, I can't recall if I saw the census myself at the records office in Exeter or if a kindly Rootschatter looked it up for me. The name sounds too much to be a coincidence. Is there a chance she might have been recorded using her maiden name? I think if we could find a death date for her it would be easier to work that one out!
Kate
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Thanks Steve. If you have time and a chance to look, I would love to know if there is any more information about them.
Mick, that is something I missed from the 1841 census but as I have not recorded where I had the information from, I can't recall if I saw the census myself at the records office in Exeter or if a kindly Rootschatter looked it up for me. The name sounds too much to be a coincidence. Is there a chance she might have been recorded using her maiden name? I think if we could find a death date for her it would be easier to work that one out!
Kate
kate i do not think this margaret is the wife of your john hunt she would be too young she was born c1811 i thought she might possibly be a neice etc
mick
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Hi Mick,
Yes, I realised that this morning and wondered the same thing as she is the same age as John's older children!
If I could ask for someone to kindly look for Margaret Henry/Harry (the Baker) in the 1851 census where she would be approx 40 yrs old, perhaps it would show her place of birth.
I also have a record of a Harriet Smith in the household, recorded as a servant. Could anyone confirm this for me, please?
Thanks.
Kate
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I have found a record on FreeBMD for the death of a Margaret Hunt in Barnstaple in March Qtr 1850. I wonder if it might be my Margaret but that raises the question of where she was in 1841!
I know her marriage date so if I could get a copy of the certificate it might tell me her father's name (if he is alive then) and her residence address. Do you know where I would send/ring for that? I am wondering if it would be Exeter or Barnstaple?
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Hi Kate
if you mean the marriage of 1805, I'm afraid certificates did not exist at that time (they only start in 1837), but the PR entry will give you witnesses, who might be relatives. When I'm at the RO the week after next I'll check the microfiche & let you know.
Its possible that the 1850 death is your Margaret, although there were other Hunt failies around (including that of John's brother, William). She may have been away on Census night
Steve
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Yes, of course, I was forgetting that it all has to be from parish records before 1837. Ok, well, I am grateful for your offer once again!
I have several branches of Hunts in Barnstaple on my tree records.
I have visited Barnstaple and been to see where they lived (Joy street etc) but unfortunately the Library/Records Office was not open as it was a Sunday! Also as I think they were Methodists I could not find any grave records so it would have been a futile task to check in the cemetry although we did find it.
Kate
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Hi Kate,
This may explain the 1850 death
HO107/203/4; Folio 14 Page 23
Princess Street
Barnstaple
WILMOTT Margaret 65 Y Ind
HUNT Thomas 60 Y Ind
HUNT Margaret 65 Y Ind
I am not easily spotting a marriage nor spotting them in 1851. Hopefully Steve will have some joy at the records office. Margaret's burial record may list a little information. (age and maybe a residence)
Sometimes (but not always) non-conformist records provide extra information on the mother such as son of ...... and ....... who is the daughter of ....... and ........ No Guarantees - some are just basic baptisms, with no extra information on the mother.
by manipulation of the index I find this baptism
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk
HUNT Thomas Harry (Father John Hunt) 1817 Devon RG4_0952
HUNT Thomas Harry (Mother Margaret Hunt) 1817 Devon RG4_0952
along with
HUNT George Martyn Father John Hunt 1817 Devon RG4_0952
HUNT George Martyn Mother Margaret Hunt 1817 Devon RG4_0952
I would have to wonder if MARTYN may be a significant family name.
also Jane in 1811 RG4_0952 and Catherine in 1819 RG4_0952 listed
RG4_0952 is the Cross Street Independent Chapel in Barnstaple
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks Kris for the look-ups.
Is this the 1841 census for my Margaret? It suggests that she was alive but in Princess Street rather than Joy street with the rest of the family. 1841 doesn't have much detail does it, eg: relationship to Head?
I had not thought of the name Martyn as being significant. Perhaps I need to think it may be.
I know John Dennis Hunt's mother was Dorothy DENNIS and Thomas Harry's mother was Margaret HARRY. Each generation following have a similar name pattern, which can be helpful at times in suggesting the link is correct. :D
KateW
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Hi Kate,
Yes that is the 1841 census. As you say very limited information in 1841 but looking at this I would wonder if Thomas and Margaret may have been a couple. (If that was the case I didn't spot a marriage to fit)
Good Luck
Kris :)
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Hi Kate
I had a look at the Cross Street Independent Church records today - it records John & Margaret Hunt becoming members in 1810, and the baptisms of the following children already given by Kris:
Jane (born 7 Mar 1810)
Thomas Harry & George Martyn (twins born 29 Nov 1817) bap 22 Dec 1817
Catherine (born 19 Nov 1819)
There is no sign of a John or Margaret junior. The church seem to have opened their burial ground (near Bear Street - now a car park!) in 1840 & I found John's burial on 5 Nov 1855, aged 78, address, Bear Street. There was also a burial of a Mary Hunt on 6 Mar 1841 aged 63, but no Margaret. There is a burial of a Margaret Hunt at the parish church 25 Mar 1850 aged 75, address, Derby (this is the area where Princess Street lies).
So no joy with a definitive burial for Margaret - the staff at the NDRO thought that nonconformists probably used the parish church graveyard before they had their own & I checked 1819-1841 but with no luck.
I found the baptism of William:
16 Apr 1753, son of John & Susanna, and their marriage:
17 May 1747 John Hunt & Susanna Hooper, but strangely no other children for the couple. Susanna's baptism:
31 Mar 1725 Susanna d of John & Elizabeth Hooper. No sign of a likely baptism for John.
I have made copies of the marriages of 1805 & 1776 - I'll send you a PM regarding them. The witnesses at John & Margret's wedding were a William Hunt and a Thomas Harry
Steve
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Hello again
I forgot to mention I think the Margaret Henry/Harry in the 1841 Census is a red herring - literally!
The surname looks like HERRING as much as anything else, and Margaret & her eldest children appear to have been born in Ireland
Steve
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Hi Steve
Well! That is marvellous and very kind of you. I am so excited to hear that you have found records going back as far as 1725 for me. I will email you and look forward to seeing what you have found.
Thank you
Kate
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I have noted all the new information I now have thanks to Steve's kind help :) but there is still a gap in the information about Margarett. Would it be worth starting again with a new request for help to find Margarett's birth details? This would be for Margarett (maiden name ) Harry born in Barnstaple.
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Hi Steve,
I see from the wonderful information you accessed that a witness at Margaret's marriage was Thomas HARRY.
I wonder when you get a chance if it would pay to check these other marriages in Barnstaple for clues. (Two men or one and the same - two marriages) Wondering if he is father (or brother) - Margaret did name a son Thomas Harry HUNT. :-\ (signatures may help )
Thomas HARRY = Ann PRISCOTT 29 July 1801
Thomas HARRY = Mary THORNE 28 Oct 1810
With the lack of HARRY activity apart from these 3 marriages, I suspect they are connected. No luck with sighting in 1841. No HARRY born Barnstaple listed in 1851.
Kate,
I don't think starting another thread will help locate Margaret. You are very lucky to have Steve in the right place helping. If anything else is to be uncovered in Barnstaple I am sure he will find it. I have only found the three marriage records. If there is nothing further found I doubt Margaret was from Barnstaple. (maybe not even Devon. To my mind Thomas the witness at Margaret's marriage and these two marriages for Thomas HARRY may be the best lead at this stage.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Steve has been very kind to spend time researching for me and I really appreciate having him there. He sent me copies of the two marriage certificates.
Thank you for pointing out those marriage dates. I wonder if it was two marriages for the same brother as the dates would be about right.
I realise that if Steve has not unearthed any more details about Margaret then they may not be there. She was recorded on the parish marriage register as a spinster 'of this parish' so I don't think I will gain anything looking elsewhere now.
If Steve has a chance and would be kind enough to look at marriages, maybe the witness names would be helpful. Thomas HARRY was not found in 1841 or 1851 census returns, so perhaps there may be a death record for him.
Kate
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I'll check the marriages when next at the RO & let you know what I find - I wouldn't take too much notice of "of this parish" as only three weeks residence was normally enough to qualify for this
Steve
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Hi Kate,
Unfortunately "of this parish" does not mean she was born there, only that she was a resident at the time of marriage. She may have only resided there for as little as 3 weeks, although with this marriage for a Thomas in 1801 I would suspect longer. If this Thomas was her father I wonder if there may be some deaths in Barnstaple about this time. (certainly Ann, if it is one Thomas) Unfortunately if the burials are pre 1813 they will not likely provide us with ages. Naming the son Thomas Harry HUNT makes me wonder if her father was named Thomas. It was quite common to honour the mothers father in this manner.
Ditto Steve re the OTP ;D I didn't realise this didn't post last night (my time)
Good luck!
Kris :)
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Hi Kate (&Kris)
I checked the two marriages today with the following results:(all St Peters)
29 Jul 1801 Thomas Harry bch. & Ann Priscott sp botp, both signed, banns. Wit: William Priscptt & Mary Priscott
28 Oct 1810 Thomas Harry wid & Mary Thorne sp botp both sig. Lic.
Wit Margaret Hunt & John Dennis Hunt
I also found the following burials:
20 May 1810 Ann, wife of Thomas Harry
9 Jul 1812 Thomas Harry
I checked the signatures & I am sure that the Thomas Harry is the same on both these & as a witness at Margaret's marriage, Needless to say, Margaret & John's are the same. I think this probably shows that Thomas was most likely her brother. I couldn't find any children baptised of either marriage, but there is the following death in FreeBMD:
Mar q 1850 Mary Harry Barnstaple reg district.
There are quite a few Harry entries in FreeBMD for Devon - interestingly there is a Thomas Harry death in the June q 1840. It may well be that the family were from a Devon parish rather than a Cornish one.
Steve
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Sorry - forgot to add there was a marriage in Barnstaple 4 Oct 1765:
Edmund Thomas & Elizabeth Harry botp Lic
Steve
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Hi Steve
Ive just come back looking at this conversation after what I can see is 10 years and find that I didnt reply to your last two messages which was remiss of me and you must think me very rude. I was most grateful for all your help.
Wishing you well.
Kate