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Title: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Sunday 08 January 12 16:35 GMT (UK)
Hello Rootschatters,

I have a Scottish marriage record, Edinburgh, 1819, which has the letters OGTP or OGFP after the groom's name.  Does anyone know what these letters mean?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: heedrapper on Sunday 08 January 12 16:38 GMT (UK)
Not sure.... but I think T P stands for 'this Parish'
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: ScottishAncestry on Sunday 08 January 12 20:26 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I would say it stands for Old Greyfriars Parish, Edinburgh.

Emma
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: heedrapper on Sunday 08 January 12 20:40 GMT (UK)
Good shout, Emma.
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Monday 09 January 12 12:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Heedrapper and Emma

Thank you both for your input.  If he was from Greyfriars Parish, then I think it ties in with the rest of my tree and could solve a huge brick wall!!!
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: hiszafer on Monday 09 January 12 19:00 GMT (UK)
OGTP stands for Old Greyfriar's Tolbooth Parish.
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 09 January 12 19:28 GMT (UK)
Old map of Edinburgh parishes for background www.hoodfamily.info/misc/miscedinmaplarge.html

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: ScottishAncestry on Monday 09 January 12 19:42 GMT (UK)
Hi hiszafer,

Whilst it is possible that some may use the abbreviation OGTP for Old Greyfriars Tolbooth Parish today, such a parish is a modern amalgamation of historical parishes and therefore would not have been referred to in a document dated 1819. There have been many incarnations of parishes in Edinburgh over the years, I believe the parish is now Greyfriers Tolbooth and Highland Church.

You may find this website helpful: http://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townhistory337.html

It’s solved a brick wall Sandgrounder1! Fantastic, I love OPR’s that give that wee bit extra information.

Emma
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: Alb R on Monday 09 January 12 22:11 GMT (UK)
definately 'OGFP' Old Greyfriars Parish; you will probably see entries for 'NGFP' New Greyfriars Parish on the same page, these abbreviations seem to have been used fairly often in the Edinburgh registers.
There were originally 4, then 6 and finally by the early/mid 1700s? the 10 parishes which remained unchanged until at least after 1890s.

One of the reasons I added the Edinburgh Parish map to my website  www.hoodfamily.info/misc/miscedinmaplarge.html  was there didn't seem to be any map of this type available at the time so I had to do one myself!!!. Luckily back in 1985 I had photocopied the original map showing parish boundaries thinking it would be useful one day.

Alb
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 09 January 12 22:20 GMT (UK)
Alb, is that your map I linked earlier from your site? It is a great map  ;)

Monica
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Tuesday 10 January 12 16:28 GMT (UK)
Monica, I agree.  The map is really helpful.  Thanks for the input Alb
Title: Re: Help with old Scottish record please
Post by: Alb R on Sunday 15 January 12 14:38 GMT (UK)
yes that's mine. Glad you liked it.
One day I will change the colour scheme as I really don't like it.  I can do it far better now with computer software rather than water colour which I used back then.

Alb