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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Haphazard on Saturday 07 January 12 07:43 GMT (UK)
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I've been trying to track down a great grandfather of mine, Edward (Arthur?) Warner, former of suffolk/norfolk. He married my great grandma (Olive Annie Warner, nee Hovells) in 1904 in Great Yarmouth, but shows up on no 1911 census (whilst she is shown as married, aged 27, in service in London).
Any ideas, because he appears to have just disappeared from the earth. :o
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Do you mean hes not on the 1911 census?
Were any children born to them after 1911?
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I cant find him on the 1911 census yet she is still class as married (rather than widdowed). My Grandma (Joyce) was born to them in 1915, so that kind of implies he is still around, but how come he slipped the census....
As far as I know, he was a fisherman (his dad was a "smack owner") so would that have enabled him to slip past the census?
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Do you have an approx birth year and place. Could he have been in army/navy in first world war?
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Do you have an approx birth year and place. Could he have been in army/navy in first world war?
As far as I know, he was born in 1885 in Mutford to Arthur Albert and Mary Ann (nee Bowen), marrying my great grandma olive annie hovells in 1904 in Grt Yarmouth. She remarried Charles William Warner of Goxhill, in 1920, so my theory is that perhaps he died in WWI (I'd like to know if he did!) but that does not explain his absence in 1911 does it?
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On her second marriage does it say if shes a widow or not, if you haven't got the cert I would advise getting it to see what her status was.
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On her second marriage does it say if shes a widow or not, if you haven't got the cert I would advise getting it to see what her status was.
I have ancestry... record showing she married again, going from "warner" (the name of her first marriage) to Robinson (the name of her new marriage) but nothing more. :( Will the marriage cert set me back many pennies?
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I am afraid sometimes you have to spend buy certs to make sure you have correct information. If the cert says she was widowed then it would narrow down the time span for you to look for a possible death for Edward, assuming he did die and his wife wasn't telling lies.
You can order certs here
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Cost is £9.25 each.
The fun of family history. ;D
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I am afraid sometimes you have to spend buy certs to make sure you have correct information. If the cert says she was widowed then it would narrow down the time span for you to look for a possible death for Edward, assuming he did die and his wife wasn't telling lies.
You can order certs here
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Cost is £9.25 each.
The fun of family history. ;D
Aha, thankyou :D
*sells what remains of the family silver*
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Hi,
Just to confuse the matter, there is an army record for an Edward Arthur Warner born Gorleston 1884. Attested 1905, discharged 1906. Down as not married with nok siblings Arthur, May and Ivy, of 22,Pier Plain, Gorleston.
Not sure that that helps at all :(
Cathy
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Hi,
Just to confuse the matter, there is an army record for an Edward Arthur Warner born Gorleston 1884. Attested 1905, discharged 1906. Down as not married with nok siblings Arthur, May and Ivy, of 22,Pier Plain, Gorleston.
Not sure that that helps at all :(
Cathy
Really?!! Now that is interesting, as it would be around the time of my g grandma's marriage to "Edward Warner". Does it say anything else about his military service (was he booted out, if so for what....). I'm starting to suspect some shinanegans going on, as grandma wasnt born until 1915 and at that point g grandma was still using the name warner but there seems to be no record of eddy still being around.
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Hi,
Just to confuse the matter, there is an army record for an Edward Arthur Warner born Gorleston 1884. Attested 1905, discharged 1906. Down as not married with nok siblings Arthur, May and Ivy, of 22,Pier Plain, Gorleston.
Not sure that that helps at all :(
Cathy
Really?!! Now that is interesting, as it would be around the time of my g grandma's marriage to "Edward Warner". Does it say anything else about his military service (was he booted out, if so for what....). I'm starting to suspect some shinanegans going on, as grandma wasnt born until 1915 and at that point g grandma was still using the name warner but there seems to be no record of eddy still being around.
This chap was discharged as medically unfit, his former occupation was horsekeeper and he also had a scar on the back of his neck.
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Hi,
Just to confuse the matter, there is an army record for an Edward Arthur Warner born Gorleston 1884. Attested 1905, discharged 1906. Down as not married with nok siblings Arthur, May and Ivy, of 22,Pier Plain, Gorleston.
Not sure that that helps at all :(
Cathy
Really?!! Now that is interesting, as it would be around the time of my g grandma's marriage to "Edward Warner". Does it say anything else about his military service (was he booted out, if so for what....). I'm starting to suspect some shinanegans going on, as grandma wasnt born until 1915 and at that point g grandma was still using the name warner but there seems to be no record of eddy still being around.
This chap was discharged as medically unfit, his former occupation was horsekeeper and he also had a scar on the back of his neck.
:o Wow, thankyou (where did you get this stuff?!)
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His records are on Findmypast Army Service records :)
Cathy
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Thankyou :)
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Have you got him in previous census, this might help tie him down to this chap.
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Have you got him in previous census, this might help tie him down to this chap.
I have the marriage indexes from 1904 showing Olive Annie Hovells and Edward Arthur Warner on the same location (yarmouth), season (jan,feb,mar), volume (4b) and page (2).
In addition I have for him:
* the 1901 census showing an Edward Arthur Warner, aged 16, living with his grandparents (his Grandfather is down as a "Livery Stable Keeper") at 22 Pier Plain, Gorleston, Great Yarmouth.
* the 1891 census showing an Edward A Warner, aged 6, born Gorleston, Suffolk, living with his parents Arthur A Warner (Smack owner) and Mary Ann Warner in Lowestoft Road, Gorleston, Great Yarmouth.
and for her:
* the 1901 census showing an Olive Hovell(s), aged 17, born in Hopton in Suffolk, working in service at a house on Lower Cliff Road in Gorleston, Great Yarmouth.
* the 1891 census showing an Olive A Hovells, aged 6, born Hopton in suffolk, living with her (widdowed?) father and siblings in Corton, Suffolk.
Its just that after the marriage (and the army records now! :D) he just vanishes from the earth O_o
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The army records must be him then, the addresses match, 22 Pier Plain.
A bit more, his character was good, pension was rejected :'(
He was going to an address in Mortlake Surrey, was your gran born in that part of the world?
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The army records must be him then, the addresses match, 22 Pier Plain.
A bit more, his character was good, pension was rejected :'(
Plus c'est change :(
He was going to an address in Mortlake Surrey, was your gran born in that part of the world?
Surrey?!! No, that has never cropped up at all! Grandma was born in North Lincolnshire!
*goes off to dig excitedly around "Mortlake Surrey"*
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Ah! Mortlake is a short walk from where Olive was in service (Brondesbury - in the 1911 census!!)
A clue! Watson, the game is once more afoot! ;D
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2 Dancers Road
Mortlake Rd
Richmond
He completed 1yr 42days of service, but there is nothing to say what was wrong with him to be medically discharged.
In 1911 there is an Arthur Warner, birthplace Gorleston, right age, working as a servant for a banker in Grosvenor St, London. He says hes single, but perhaps whoever filled the census form in didn't know otherwise or he had to say he was single to keep his job.
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2 Dancers Road
Mortlake Rd
Richmond
He completed 1yr 42days of service, but there is nothing to say what was wrong with him to be medically discharged.
In 1911 there is an Arthur Warner, birthplace Gorleston, right age, working as a servant for a banker in Grosvenor St, London. He says hes single, but perhaps whoever filled the census form in didn't know otherwise or he had to say he was single to keep his job.
:o
You little star! Thankyou!! ;D
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There may be a clue in the 1911 census for Olive, they may have had more children that died in infancy eg 2. have you looked at the image?
Cathy
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There may be a clue in the 1911 census for Olive, they may have had more children that died in infancy eg 2. have you looked at the image?
Cathy
Yes, I noticed that was put in and then crossed out, as if it was her but she was not family so it should not have been on the census there.... Looks like grandma was third time lucky on that. ;D
I think I need to see the marriage cert for the 1920 remarriage between Olive and her new hubby (Charles Robinson) who I know adopted my Grandma as his own.
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There is this burial, but who knows.
Edward A Warner
Birth Date: abt 1885
1935 Dec qtr.
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Rochford
Essex
Vol 4a
Page: 743
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There is this burial, but who knows.
Edward A Warner
Birth Date: abt 1885
1935 Dec qtr.
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Rochford
Essex
Vol 4a
Page: 743
I need the 1921 census data :(
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I need the 1921 census data :(
Don't we all. ;D ;D