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John Norton appears in the 1871 census as an inmate of the above school, aged 16, born Burton on Trent, Staffs. Doing a general google search to see if I could find admission records I came across hadrian14's query for the same school, answered in full by dusty2. As the query now appears completed, I opened my query up as a new topic. I would love to have access to John's records dusty 2 if you can accommodate my request. Just the finishing touch as I am about to transfer my tree onto FTM. That record was so comprehensive, you could just about see the family. With many thanks ........ DollyB
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I'm hoping to make these records available at some point, when I finish my current project. In the meantime:
this is the main entry
Name, Age: John Norton, 15
Description: dark complexion, black hair, brown hair, good health, able-bodied
Date of reception [at Saltley]: 24 May 1870
Late residence: Burton on Trent
Parish he belongs to: Burton
Work: errand boy
Education: cannot read or write at all
Offence: stealing money
Circumstances which led to it: bad company
Sentence passed when, by whom, where: 26 Apr 1870, C W Lyon and William Wood Esqs, Burton petty sessions
Where imprisoned: Stafford
Sentence: 1 calendar month hard labour and 3 years at Saltley
Previous committals: none
Parents: Alfred and Mary Ann Norton, father a labourer
Parents' treatment of child: good
Parents' character: honest, sober, and in good health
Parents' wages: 17s per week
Amount parents may have to pay: 1s 3d [per week?]
Parents' residence: 190 Station Street, Burton on Trent
Superintendent of police: W Oswell, Burton
Additional information
24 May 1873 discharged
5 Feb 1875 called at the school. Is doing well, employed at Truman Harbury & Co's brewery Burton
9 Oct 1875 called again. Employed as before.
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Absolutely delighted! and most definitely the right person with Alfred and Mary Ann being his parents. Thank you very much indeed dusty 2. DollyB.
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I too have just discovered that one of my ancestors was sent to Saltley. His surname was Winfield and he was sent there from Loughborough in June/July 1895. His father had to pay 1s a week for his maintenance but as he failed to pay he was sent to prison for 28days the following year. Are these records online yet or can anyone supply me any further information about him please?
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Still working on another project first, but here is the information:
Name, Age: John William Winfield, 11
Description: fresh complexion, sandy hair, brown eyes, 4 ft 2˝ ins, a mark on the left side of posterior, good health, able-bodied
Date of reception [at Saltley]: 14 May 1894
Late residence: 14 Sead [Bead? Blad?] Lane, Loughborough
Parish he belongs to: -
Work: school boy
Education: can read and write imperfectly (Stage III)
Offence: stealing eggs
Circumstances which led to it: bad company
Sentence passed when, by whom, where: 2 May 1894, Lord Seymour, Loughborough petty sessions
Where imprisoned: -
Sentence: 5 years at Saltley
Previous committals: 2 - 1, 19 Jan 1894, stealing a silver thimble, 3 strokes of the cane; 2, 24 Jan 1894, stealing ballet shoes, 6 strokes of the cane
Parents: William and Louisa Winfield, father a labourer, mother a housewife
Parents' treatment of child: good
Parents' character: mother convicted of receiving stolen goods
Parents' wages: not stated
Amount parents may have to pay: -
Parents' residence: -
Superintendent of police: Superintendent Smith
Additional information: none
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Thank you very much dusty2. That's fascinating new information. After his mother's death in 1900 John William joined the Army for 12 years and served in NI, Egypt, Sudan and India. I knew the family was troubled but this adds a new slant. My grandfather who was one of the younger brothers never talked much about his parents and I am beginning to get a flavour of why!!
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Dusty2 one other thought just struck me. When he joined the Army John William Winfield gave his profession as Musician and so appears throughout his army service. Given his upbringing in Loughborough he didn't become a musician there! Is that something that he would have been taught in Saltley?
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Unlikely (but I suppose not impossible) - they appear to have taught tailoring, shoemaking, agricultural tasks, and, slightly oddly, spectacle making. It was not uncommon for even poor families to have a piano, so he may have showed musical aptitude, despite his background.
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Dusty2 I just read your piece about the site of Saltley Reformatory School. I am astonished to find that it was on Fordrough Lane and that the land was taken over by the Post Office. I used to work for BT and visited the BT factory on Fordrough Lane which may well be on the same site. Now I am really intrigued! Is there an extant photo of the school?
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I have not yet seen a picture of the school. I have seen a postcard labelled Saltley Reformatory, but it was a picture of St Peter's Diocesan Training college nearby, latterly a teacher training centre before converted to other uses. Currently on Ebay there is a postcard of 'the Government Stores', which I think predated their use by BT, which may be the buildings you knew. The Archives in Birmingham City Library may have a picture of the Reformatory - I must ask next time I go there.
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Dusty2 -Rummaging around on the net I found an image of the Register for Norton Reformatory for one Joseph Pagett dated 1875. It was on the connecting histories site. I notice that each entry has a photograph of the inmate on admission attached. Will the entry for John William Winfield also carry a photo? Where are these original records kept? I would very much like to lay my hands on a copy of that photo if it exists!
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The Saltley Reformatory admissions register originally also had photos of the boys, and it would be brilliant if it still retained them. However, all but maybe half a dozen have been removed. It is possible that Birmingham Archives have them, so might be worth enquiring.
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I have also just discovered a relative in the 1891 Census in Saltley Reformatory. His name was John Henry ABLEY, and he was born in New Invention, Wolverhampton in late 1874. In 1891, his parents, Edward (a Coal Miner) and Emily ABLEY lived in Willenhall.
I would be very grateful for any information available from the records if that is possible. In particular, I would love to know his offence, how long he lived in the School, and whether he had any previous offences.
Many thanks,
Jane
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OK - Saltley reformatory Admissions Register entry for John ABLEY (14)
Received: H M Prison Stafford
Description: fresh complexion; dark brown hair; blue eyes; height 4 ft 8 ins; cut (?) mark centre of forehead; mark on right thumb; burn mark left hand; good health; able bodied.
Date of reception: 18 April 1889 for 5 years
Late residence: New Invention, Wolverhampton
Parish: Wolverhampton
Work: locksmith with Mr Hill, Willenhall
Illegitimate: no
Education: can read and write very imperfectly
Offence: stealing a gold brooch
Date of sentence: 18 Mar 1889 by Henry Vaughan Esq at Summary Jurisdiction, Willenhall
Imprisoned: Stafford
Sentence: 1 calendar month in prison and 5 years detention in reformatory
Previous convictions: none
Parents Edward and Emily ABLEY
Treatment by parents: good
Character of parents: good
Wages of parents: 15 shillings [per week]
Parents address: New Invention, Wolverhampton
Thais is all the information given in the register. Hope it helps.
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Dusty:
Thank you SO much, this is just amazingly full and informative. And it is quite clearly my lad.
What is heartening, given that the regime at Saltley was apparently remarkably modern and "humanist", is that John Henry turned out pretty well, though his life was hard. His family moved north to Nottinghamshire after his release, and he seems to have worked all his life in an Iron Foundry in the Stapleford area. He married in 1904 but lost his wife after only 4 years (and I think they also lost 2 children) but he remarried an older lady in 1910, and lived until his early 70s in 1948. He even left a will and a small amount of money.
Thank you again, very much.
Jane
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Hi Dusty2,
Sorry to ask, but I can see that you have done a number of record searches on the reformatory school. A relative of mine was detained there according to the 1881 census, his name was Charles James aged 15, from Leek, Staffordshire, I would appreciate any information you could find!
thanks,
Sarah
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Sorry, been away.
Charles James (entry 580 in the admissions register) age 13
Whence removed: Stafford
Description: fresh complexion; brown hair; grey eyes; scar on right cheek; good health; able bodied
Admission: 29 Jun 1877 for 5 years
Residence: Leek [looks like Leik but must be Leek!]
Parish: Leek
Work: none
Education: can neither read nor write
Offence: malicious damage
Sentence given: 30 May 1877 by H Brough and A Sleigh Esqs, Leek Petty Sessions
Imprisoned: Stafford
Sentence: 1 calendar month hard labour, 5 years at Saltley
Previous convictions: none
Parents: Joseph and Sarah James, silk workers
Treatment of child by parents: good
Character of parents: honest
Wages earned by parents: 18 shillings per week
Weekly amount parents will pay: 1 shilling
Address: Rudyard, Leek, amended on 8 Dec to 11 Albert Street, Leek
Additional information:
10 Dec 1881 licenced this day to work at Messers Hammersley Iles [difficult to read that last bit], silk dyer, Leek
28 April 1882 very satisfactory report from employer
28 June 1882 C James [sentence?] expires (? ? discharged)
[The last bit in brackets looks like the letters D and L where the question marks are - no idea what it means - but 'discharged' is clear]
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Hello all, I am not sure when this posting was begun but I just found family that was detained at Saltley. I am hoping dusty2 that you or someone else may be able to help me out with info. I have that 20 Oct 1863 George Harrington was given 14 day sentence and then sent to Saltley. Dusty2 do you happen to have his record or where I can look it up. Thanks!
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Well this is a bit embarrassing. Of the pages that I've transcribed so far, I've only missed one - and it's the main page for George Harrington. He was admitted to the Reformatory between 29 Oct 1863 and 9 Nov 1863. Although I don't have the main page, I do have the details from the next page, which is additional information. The parental address seems to have been Darley's Yard, Gooch Street, in Birmingham.
June 7 1866 emigrated to Canada
August 1867 heard from boy near Richmond junction, Canada. Doing well.
November 1869 ditto
January 1870 ditto
April 1875 heard from boy from Valley Fields Paper Mills, Canada, P.Q.
The admissions register is held at the Central Library in Birmingham City Archives. If you contact them, and ask them to look it up for you, they may oblige. It is in the first Admissions Register, entry no. 265.
Sorry about this - I will have to get the details myself next time I am in Birmingham!
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Dusty2 thanks so much for the info. I will contact the library and see if they can provide me with the info as I am in canada :D
Do u thunk he was sent to canada by saltley?
Do you know if " heard from boy" implies that George was in touch with them back at saltleys?
Thanks again
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There seems to have been various more or less charitable schemes on the go at that period, and quite a few of the boys emigrated, with Canada being the most common destination. Judging by other entries, one of the staff at the Reformatory would accompany the boy on discharge to the relevant port and see them off.
It seems to be quite a benevolent regime, as despite the image of brutality of Victorian institutions, they seem to have taken a genuine interest in the boys. In the additional information page there are often letters from the boys. "Heard from" could mean a letter now lost from the boy or a parent or a fellow inmate who mentions him in passing, or a visit to the Reformatory either by a parent or a former inmate who has been in touch.
If the library is unable to oblige, as it happens I will be going to Birmingham at the end of December and among other tasks want to get the missing information on my visit then.
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Hi, me again. Dusty2, I am hoping you can help me out with another look up. It appears Larceny ran in the family and Georges brother was also convicted and sent to a reform school. Can you please check to see if he is in your Saltley records. Name William Harrington. He was convicted 12 Apr 1869. The criminal register shows 1CM (whatever that is) and 5 years reform school. Thanks again! U R Amazing!!
By the way the library would not do the look up for me for George. Perhaps you can flip the info to me in December when you go if it is not too much trouble.
Thanks!!
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Sorry, William wasn't sent to Saltley. 1CM means 1 calendar month. I'll post the details for George here when I get them.
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Sorry for the late reply, but just to say thanks Dusty for the info on Charles James, much appreciated!
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Went to Birmingham Library to look up the missing William Harrington. Unfortunately, since I did my original copies, I forgot that the records in the second admissions register (where William may be found) are misnumbered by 100, so when I photographed the page numbered 265, I should have snapped number 165. Sorry about that - I'll get the right info when I next go to the Library, which will probably be in February.
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Hi Dusty2
Is it possible for you to find whatever information of my William Pulley b 1875 Longton, Stoke-on-Trent?
According to the 1891 census, he was placed in the Saltley Reformatory School for Boys - Aston Birmingham. Thank you!
holidaybiker
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William Pulley age 11
Received: H.M. Prison Stafford
Description: fresh complexion; light brown hair; grey eyes; height 4 ft 3 and a half ins; marks - front part of neck(?) ..... from parents(?) ..... [a bit illegible, can't read this blank bits clearly]; good health; slender
Date received: 26 October 1886 for 5 years
Residence: 10 Gate Street, Longton
Parish he belongs to: Longton
Work: none
Illegitimate?: no
Education: reads and writes imperfectly
Offence: stealing money
Circumstances which led to it: bad company
Date of sentence: 27 Sep 1886 before W M Williamson and W A Addule(?) Esq, Court of Summary Jurisdiction, Longton
Where imprisoned: H M Prison Longton
Sentence: 1 calendar month in prison then 5 years at the Reformatory
Previous convictions: none
Parents: William Pulley (a potter) and Mary Ann Pulley (deceased)
One or both parents dead?: mother
Survivor has remarried?: no
Parental treatment: child well treated
Character of parents: good
Wages of parent: 25 shillings per week
Amount parent commits to pay: 1 shilling and 6 pence per week; ought to pay 2 shillings and 6 pence
Parents residence: 10 Gate Street, Longton
Superintendent of police to collect the money: Mr ..... Evans, Longton, Staffs
Person making this return: E(?) H(?) Hawley, clerk to visiting justices
Hope this helps
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Dusty 2
Thank you so much, the info is more than I expected, unbelievable!
Thank you!
holidaybiker :)
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Here, at last, is the information for George Harrington:
Admitted: 2 Nov 1863 from Warwick Gaol
Description: 4ft 6in tall; [figure - can't read]; dark complexion; brown hair; dark eyes, sound vision; sound intellect; use of all limbs; has had cowpox; end of left fore-finger contracted; good health, able bodies, not scrofulous, consumptive, or subject to fits
Age: 14
Residence: Darley's Yard, Gooch Street, Birmingham
Education: reads little, cannot write
Sentence: 14 days in prison then 5 years in Reformatory
Date of sentence: 20 Oct 1863 at Warwick Quarter Sessions
Previous convictions: 1859 one day and whipped for stealing money
Father: Francis Harrington, shoemaker, of Darley's Yard, Gooch Street, Birmingham
Mother: [not named]
Additional info: 7 Jun 1866 emigrated to Canada
Aug 1867 Heard from of(?) Richmond Junction, Canada, doing well
Nov 1869 ditto
Jan 1871(?) ditto
Apr 1875 Heard from Valley Field Paper Mill, Canada, P.Q.
Also, there is a brief report in the Coventry Herald 23 Oct 1863 p.4 col.3 of his trial, which reads:
Two young lads named George Harrington and Edward Johnson, for having, at Aston, on August 6th, having broken into a certain building in the occupation of George Holloway, and stolen therefrom a candlestick and a saucepan, were sentenced each to 14 days imprisonment with hard labour, and ordered to be sent at the expiration of that term, the former to a reformatory school at Saltley, and the latter to that at Weston, for five years.
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dusty2 I apologize for only replying now. I have not been on the board and only just saw your reply with the information. I can't thank you enough for the work and information you have done for me and so many others. :)
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Hi
I am a bit late for this post but I was searching around trying to find information on why Leonard Adams from Wolverhampton was in Saltley Reformatory School on the 1891 census aged about 13. Tried looking him up in the British Newspaper Archives and couldn't find him or on an criminal records. Have you transcribed or published the records for that time period, would be very grateful for a look up.
Thanks
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OK this should give you what you want
Leonard Adams, admitted from Stafford Prison on 29 August 1889
Description: fresh complexion; dark hair; hazel eyes; height 4 ft 4 and a quarter ins tall; [difficult to read this bit] brown mark upon .... of right(?) .... hand(?) back of upper right arm; good health; able bodied
Residence: 17 East Street, Wolverhampton
Parish to which he belongs: Wolverhampton
Work: none; has attended school
Illegitimate? : no
Can read and write: reads imperfectly IV (?) standard; writes imperfectly IV standard
Offence: stealing a pair of boots from a shop
Probable circumstances that led to it: should say that the boy is naturally vicious
Date of sentence, before whom and court: 30 July 1889 before S. Dickason (?) and P. Housman Esqs at Boro of Wolverhampton [police court]
Where imprisoned: Her Majesties Prison Stafford
Sentence: prison for 1 calendar month with hard labour and 5 years in the Reformatory
Previous convictio0ns: 1 - I day and 6 strokes of the cane for stealing a cloth cap
Parents: Alfred Adams, kettle maker; Bessy Adams (step mother)
One or both parents dead? : mother
Survivor remarried? : Yes
Treatment of child by parents: boy says good in each case
Wages earned by parents: father earns 17s per week
Amount parents engage to pay: not reported
Address of parents: 17 East Street, Wolverhampton
I don't think any of the Wolverhampton papers are in the British Newspaper Archive yet, but there is a brief report in the Birmingham Daily Post for Wednesday 31 July 1889, p.7 column 4, which reads:
THEFT FROM A SHOP - At the Police Court, yesterday, Leonard Adams, 14, of 78 Temple Street, Robert Howard, 11, of 24 Church Lane, Robert Knight, 13, of 20 Great Compton Street, and Thomas Owen, 11, of 4 court Middle Row, were charged with stealing a pair of boots from the shop door of Mrs Tyler, bootmaker, Victoria Street. - Adams was sent to prison for a month, and then to be detained at a reformatory for five years, and the other three were ordered to receive six strokes with the birch rod. All had been attending the Day Industrial School.
Despite the discrepancy in age and address I have no doubt this is the right person. Families moved often in those days, and his parents may have moved between the original sentence and his arrival at the Reformatory.
Hope this helps
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Thanks that is excellent, what great information. Leonard didn't do bad, came out and got a job married young, didn't appear to get into further trouble had a number of children so perhaps the system worked!
Debs
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Dear Dusty 2 I wonder if I could impose on your kindness... I'm looking for Saltley admission information on my nan's cousin Thomas HOWES b. 1888 Stone in Staffordshire who was an inmate of Saltley Reformatory on the 1901 census - in 1904 he was sent to Quebec, Canada with a group of 16 other boys... I don't have any further information until he enlisted with the Canadian Expeditionary Force at the outbreak of WW1 and unfortunately deserted. Would be very grateful for any other details. TIA - Joan
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Sorry for the delay - have been away. Here is the information:
Thomas HOWSE [that's how it's spelled in the admissions register] born 24 January 1888 age 12
Received: Stone Petty Sessions
Description: fresh complexion; brown hair; brown eyes; 4 feet 6 and a half inches tall; pug nose; good health; able-bodied
Date of reception and length of term: 1 Feb 1900; 5 years from 31 Jan
Residence: 140 Church Street, Stone, Staffordshire
Work: schoolboy
Illegitimate? No
Education: can read and write imperfectly (standard 2)
Offence: larceny of a dress value 30 shillings
Circumstances which led to it: drunken, worthless parents
Date of sentence: 31 January 1900 at Stone Petty Sessions by W. Thompson & J. Harding Esqs.
Sentence: 5 years detention
Previous convictions: one, 23 Dec 1899. birched for stealing a watch
Parents: William (farm labourer) and Alice (housewife) HOWSE
Parental treatment of child: not good
Character of parents: bad
Person making this return: W. Thompson
Hope this heps
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Many thanks to Dusty 2 for this information - so sorry for delay as I have only just seen your reply. Makes sad reading but does answer quite a few questions regarding Thomas Howes circumstances. Thanks again - regards, Joan.
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Hello dusty2
I have just learned that my 3rd great grandfather Beniah Rhodes stayed at Saltley around June 1867 at the age of 11 his farther was Beniah Rhodes and Margaret Poole they lived in bird cage walk he stole a purse with 8 pence in and that's all I know hope that is enough if you could help me that would be great as I don't know that much personal stuff about him. I hope this is not a bother as there are many people asking.
Thank you
Angus
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I came across this is it you?http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.england.sts.general/12463.2/mb.ashx
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Yes, that earlier post was me - from time to time I try to find an 'owner' for one of these records. Anyway, here is the full information from the admissions register.
Beniah Rhodes (no.355 in register)
Date of admission: 24 June 1867
Description: fresh complexion, brown hair, brown eyes, perfect vision, good health, able-bodied, of sound intellect, has use of all limbs, has had cowpox, cut marks on nose, no skin disorders, no apparent scrofula or consumption, not subject to fits.
Age: 11
Residence: Hanley
Parish to which he belongs: Hanley
Education: cannot read or write at all
Offence: stealing a purse and eight pence
Sentence: 1 calendar month imprisonment and 4 years at Saltley
Date of sentence: 24 May 1867 at Stoke on Trent
Previous convictions: one, for stealing a watch
Father: Beniah Rhodes, bricklayer, Bird Cage Walk, Hanley
Character of father: Honest and sober
Mother: dead
State of parents' health: not good
Wages of parent: 30 shillings per week
Amount parents engage to pay: 2 shillings per week
Superintendent of Police: R J Baker, Hanley
It's a sad commentary of the times that they actually had boxes on the page to be filled in referring to the various diseases and disorders reported on above.
There is also a newspaper report of the court case:
POLICE COURT:-Yesterday. (Before J E Davis and C M Campbell Esqs). AN INCORRIGIBLE BOY:- A boy named Beniah Rhodes was charged with stealing a purse containing 8d, the property of James Hinckley, Frederick Street, Hanley on Wednesday last. The father of the prisoner appeared in court, and stated that his son was twelve years old, and had been before the Court previously. Mr Davis ordered that the boy should be imprisoned for one month, and afterwards sent to a reformatory for four years. (Staffordshire Sentinel, Saturday 24 May 1867, p.5, col.3).
There is also a related newspaper report a little later:
HANLEY. Monday. (Before W Brownfield, W M Meigh, and E J Ridgway, Esqrs). Beniah Rhodes, bricklayer, was ordered to pay 1 shilling and 6 pence per week towards the maintenance of his son, who was some time ago sent to Saltley Reformatory. (Staffordshire Sentinel, Saturday 13 July 1867, p. 6, col. 1).
Hope this helps.
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Hi,
I have just come across a F(rancis) Ambrose Dutton in the reformatory in the 1881 census, age 12.
I would be very grateful for a lookup and any further information available about him.
His father was Charles Edward and mother Elizabeth.
(Amended with correct info)
Many Thanks
Linda
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Er - Some confusion here, I fear. There is F Ambrose DUTTON in the Reformatory at this time, but no STOTT. Is it the former you mean? If so, DUTTON's parents were Charles Edward and Elizabeth'
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Hello Dusty2,
Sorry my mistake. It should be DUTTON and the parents are Charles Edward and Elizabeth. (Elizabeth's maiden name was Stott)
Linda
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OK, DUTTON it is!
Francis DUTTON, age 10
Received from: Birmingham Gaol
Description: pale complexion, brown hair, grey eyes, oval ....., no marks, good health, able-bodied
Admitted: 25 May 1878 for 5 years.
Address: 7 court 5 house Tower Street, Birmingham
Works: no
Not illegitimate
Education: can read and write imperfectly
Offence: stealing 6 shillings
Date of sentence etc: 6 May 1878 before J Lowe and G Goodrick Esqs, Birmingham Police Court
Where imprisoned: Birmingham Gaol
Sentence: 21 days with hard labour, 5 years at Saltley
Parents: Charles Edward (painter) and Elizabeth DUTTON
Treatmant of child: father is always beating him
Character of parents: father has been in gaol twice for beating the boy
Parents' wages: boy states about 30 shillings (per week)
Address of parents: 7 court 5 house Tower Street, Birmingham
Name of person making return: D Meaden (?), Governor
Other information: 17 Jan 1982 Licensed to Mr James DUTTON shop (?) Parliament (?) Street, Small Heath
Cannot find a newspaper report of the trial
hope this helps
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Hello dusty2,
Thank you for this interesting info.
In the other info is 1982 correct?
Linda
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No, that was a typo. Should be 1882. It means that Francis was allowed out of the reformatory to work for someone deemed by the Reformatory to be a suitable employee. Almost like probation.
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Thanks.
Linda
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I understand from previous posts that some lovely person on here has access to the records for Saltley Reformatory.
I am trying to find some any information for a John Samuel Latham who is shown as an inmate on the 1871 census.
I would be so grateful for any further information.
Many thanks
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OK, here is the admissions register entry for John Samuel Latham. I can't read a few words, but mostly, this is the story:
Name: John Saul Latham 13
Date of admission: 3 February 1870
Whence received: Stafford
Description:
Complexion: Fresh
Hair colour: Brown
Eyes colour: Blue
Visage
Particular marks:
State of health: Good
Able-bodied? Yes
Date of reception and length 3 February 1870, 5 years
Of term
Late residence: Wednesfield Heath
Parish to which he belongs: Wolverhampton
Customary work and mode of life: At a forge
Whether illegitimate
State of education: Reads: Imperfectly Writes: Imperfectly
Offence: Obtaining money by false pretences
Circumstances which may have Not known
led to it:
Date of sentence and which court 3 January 1870, Staffordshire Quarter Sessions
Sentence: 14 days in prison, 3 years at Saltley
Where imprisoned: County Prison [Stafford]
Previous committals None
Names and occupations of:
parents Robert Latham, boot(?) traveller; stepmother Ann
One or both dead?
Survivor married again?
Treatment of child: Boy says stepmother has treated him well
Character of parents: Honest, sober and health good
Parents’ wages: 12 to 15 shillings per week
Weekly amount parents will pay: [can’t read first couple of words he ought to be
called upon for more than 1 shilling per week
has [can’t read] children
Their present residence and
post address Inkerman Street, Wednesfield Heath, Wolverhampton
Superintendent of police: [can’t read]
(to collect payments)
General remarks and signature
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In addition, for a brief report of the trial, see Staffordshire Advertiser Saturday 8 January 1870, p.6, col.6 : “John Samuel Latham, 13, forge boy, pleaded guilty to obtaining one shilling by false pretences, from Edward Diggery, at Heath Town, on the 19th of October, and was sentenced to be imprisoned for one month, and afterwards sent to a reformatory for five years.”
A similar but separate crime is reported in the same paper, on p.7, col.2 : “John Latham, aged 13, to obtaining 1s by false pretences from Emma Delves by false pretences on October 16th, 1869. Prisoner has this week been tried at the Stafford Sessions and sent to a reformatory. On that account prisoner was now sent to prison in this case for one day.”
Hope this helps
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Thank you so much .This is very interesting and helpful.
John's father was a travelling salesman for a publishing company so I suspect that the word you cannot read is book rather than boot.
Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
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I know this is a long shot as the posts are a few years old, but I have recently found an ancestor in Saltley Reformatory school in the 1891 census and was wondering if there was any information on him in the records. His name was Edwin Wolverson born 1873 in Willenhall in Staffordshire. He was 18 in 1891, I would love to know more about him or his crime if possible.
Thankyou in advance.