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Title: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Friday 06 January 12 15:09 GMT (UK)
Can anyone help me decipher what ' para 392. X V I    KB means . This was written in the Cause of discharge column on medal card I downloaded from Kew Archives. Thanks a mill
Brianog
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: Hackstaple on Friday 06 January 12 15:16 GMT (UK)
It is actually KR - for King's Regulations, not KB. para 392 xvi was for soldiers no longer fit for military service.
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: Ray T on Friday 06 January 12 17:22 GMT (UK)
That's the short answer. The long answer is here http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/mic.htm
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Friday 06 January 12 18:11 GMT (UK)
Thankyou to both of you . The information u supplied is  very welcome and much appreciated. Thanks a  million
brianog
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: mmm45 on Friday 06 January 12 21:11 GMT (UK)
He could have a Silver War Badge entry for his discharge if you want to check ancestry or post his name

Ady
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Saturday 07 January 12 09:50 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ady. A silver war badge ! must look into this from information given on this site. His name is Charles Ryan from Dublin, since no address was given I'm unsure he is the right Charles Ryan. Think he was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers though not sure of this either. Brianog
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: jds1949 on Saturday 07 January 12 10:03 GMT (UK)
If he was eligible for a SWB, the medal card would usually have the word "List" followed by a string of letters and numbers eg. LC/502. Usually written on the bottom half of the card.

jds1949
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Saturday 07 January 12 10:13 GMT (UK)
yes there is a reference to list B / 147 on the medal card. Is the silver war badge  awarded to soldiers who were unfit  to fight ? Thanks
brianog
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: jds1949 on Saturday 07 January 12 10:21 GMT (UK)
Basically the SWB was awarded to men who had been invalided out of the armed forces so they could show that they had "done their bit" and avoid being thought of as shirkers. See:

http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/swb.htm

Ancestry now has the rolls online - I think I read somewhere that you can search Ancestry free on Saturdays this month - so it might be worth a go. Try here:

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ukmilitary_records?o_iid=43661&o_lid=43661&o_sch=Inbound

jds1949
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Saturday 07 January 12 10:28 GMT (UK)
Thanks jds u are very helpful Do u think the rolls on ancestry will give more information
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: mmm45 on Saturday 07 January 12 10:40 GMT (UK)
Was he 20456?
If he was he enlisted Aug 1915 discharged with sickness June 1916 with sickness didnt serve overseas

No personal info on the SWB rolls

Ady
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Saturday 07 January 12 10:47 GMT (UK)
yes that's him. if he didn't serve overseas he must have been trained in Ireland. Any idea on where I go from here. Thanks
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Saturday 07 January 12 11:09 GMT (UK)
If you are invalided out of the armed forces I wonder do you receive a pension. Charles Ryan died in 1925 his occupation on his death registration says pensioner.  Thanks for all  your help. Brianog
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: mmm45 on Saturday 07 January 12 17:51 GMT (UK)
yes he would have a pension....surviving ones are on ancestry.

Ady
Title: Re: ww1 medal cards
Post by: brianog on Saturday 07 January 12 19:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks a million