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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: R_Hood on Thursday 05 January 12 09:18 GMT (UK)
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As a child during WW2 I remember we received occasional food parcels from Australia. From family memories they appear to have come from a cousin of my mother Hilda CORDON.
Researching the family I believe it may have been Agnes WESTERMAN who married John FARMER in Liverpool in Dec 1896. Again they may have emigrated around 1900.
If I remember correctly the parcels came from Rockhampton.
I would appreciate it if anyone can cast any further light on the subject or recognises a family connection.
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Do you know Agnes' parents names?.
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Is this their marriage but in November?
FARMER John 29 years, Mariner, Batchelor, Residence 13 St Vincent Street. Father John FARMER, Cotton-porter
WESTERMAN Agnes 27 years Widow Residence 21 Lord Nelson Street. Father Joseph HUTCHINSON, Green grocer
28 Nov 1896 Parish Liverpool St Simon
Witnesses James LAWLEY and Jane ARNOLD.
Cando
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This could be her death, however the death is in Brisbane...not really sure about this however the mother's name is Ann :-\ :-\ and her husband appears to be Mr F J FARMER. I really don't think it is her somehow.
1943/B57254
FARMER Agnes
9 Jul 1942 9 Jul 1942
Mother Ann Eliza Mole
Funeral notice
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jb3/
1871 Census RG10/4658/Folio/114/Page/15
Living at Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON Joseph Head Married 33 years Greengrocer Born Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON Ann Wife Born Ecclesfield
HUTCHINSON Sarah Ann Dau 10 years Born Ecclesfield Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON Mary Alice Dau 9 years Born Ecclesfield Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON John Son 7 years Born Ecclesfield Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON Will Son 5 years Born Ecclesfield Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON Ada Dau 3 years Born Ecclesfield Yorkshire
HUTCHINSON Agnes Dau 8 months Born Ecclesfield Yorkshire
Marriages Mar 1889
HUTCHINSON Agnes Wortley 9c/280
WESTERMAN James Wortley 9c/280
In 1891 James and Agnes WESTERMAN and dau Mary E 18 months are living in Mortomley, Ecclesfield.
See if I can find some passenger records.
Cando
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This could be her death, however the death is in Brisbane...not really sure about this however the mother's name is Ann Undecided Undecided and her husband appears to be Mr F J FARMER. I really don't think it is her somehow.
1943/B57254
FARMER Agnes
9 Jul 1942 9 Jul 1942
Mother Ann Eliza Mole
Funeral notice
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jb3/
Not your Agnes....found births to Agnes MOLE and a Frederick James FARMER on Qld bdm.
Cando
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1901 Census
Living at 21 Holden Street, West Derby
FARMER John Head Married 33 years Frameman On Dredger Steamer Born Liverpool
FARMER Agnes Wife Married 32 years Born Mortomley, Yorkshire
FARMER Thomas Son 3 years Born Liverpool
FARMER Beatrice Daughter 2 years Born Liverpool
Cando
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Thanks Cando
I thought at first we were on the right lines as one of the family memories was that Agnes had married a sea captain in Liverpool. However, if she had been born a Hutchinson she cannot be the Agnes Mary Westerman b. Nottingham that I thought. I've always assumed she was a blood relative of my mother whose grandfather was a Westerman. Finding the date of their emigration would be a great help I think, so I'll keep looking
R_Hood
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Hi,
There is a Catholic Baptism 14th August 1903 Parish, st Anne, Liverpool, Lancashire, England.for a Thomas Farmer born 20th July 1897.
Father, Joannis.
Mother, Agnetis Farmer (westerman)
Address, 15 Helena St.
If these is your Farmers (maybe not though) it puts them still in England in August 1903.
Regards
Gerry
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There is only one Thomas FARMER birth registration in 1897 on freebdm
Births Sep 1897
FARMER Thomas Toxteth Park 8b/188
Baptism at St John the Baptist, Toxteth Park
2 Aug 1897
FARMER Thomas son of John [Labourer] and Agnes FARMER
66 Nickleby Street
Baptism at St Nathaniel's Parish Church, [West Derby] Liverpool
23 Apr 1899
FARMER Beatrice dau of John [Mariner] and Agnes FARMER
21 Holden Street.
Bit of a puzzle with the Catholic Baptism....could Thomas have been baptised in two churches...perhaps one of the parents was Catholic :-\
Cheers
Cando
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I've been quizing an aged aunt (95) on the subject who tells me that my mother spent a lot of time as a child with her Grandmother Eliza, as I still feel it is a blood relation I am looking for. Now Eliza had a sister Agnes Annie Westerman. I have her married to Robert Elliott - who curiously died in W. Derby (Liverpool) in 1892 after marrying Agnes in 1883. The story of marrying a captain in Liverpool and emigrating to Australia still stands which had led me to the John Farmer connection. Its all very confusing and I think it can only be resolved by obtaining the relevant birth and marriage certs.
Another point is that my mother was born in 1904 so it is likely that the emigration was much later than 1900.
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Just a thought - If Agnes went to Australia as the captain's wife, would she be on the passenger list or counted in with the crew?
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Another piece of family information just gleaned was that Agnes and John first emigrated to Adelaide and had a daughter called Adele. (Sounds feasable) Could she be the one my mother kept contact with?
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Birth registrations are only available to 1937 in South Australia. There is no birth registered with Agnes WESTERMAN as mother. It is difficult to help you if you don't know the name of Agnes WESTERMAN's husband.
Cheers
Cando
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Births only available to 1928 in SA...it is marraiges to 1937.
Cando
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. . . . . . However, if she had been born a Hutchinson she cannot be the Agnes Mary Westerman b. Nottingham that I thought. I've always assumed she was a blood relative of my mother whose grandfather was a Westerman. Finding the date of their emigration would be a great help I think, so I'll keep looking
R_Hood
Agnes Mary WESTERMAN born 1876 to Walter WESTERMAN and Mary Curtis CORDON married John Wyncoll FELGATE according to a FELGATE family researcher.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=reed2009&id=I00976
Essie
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Thanks Essie
I think I have mixed up two Agnes's. I can confirm that her Father, Walter, emigrated to South Africa where he was the Goverment Inspector of the Cape Railways. Curiously his marriage gave an earlier link across my paternal and maternal sides.
Thanks Cando
John Farmer may still fit in here. The other Agnes Westerman b 1863 Married Robert Elliott in 1883. He died in 1892 in W. Derby, Liverpool.