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George Davidson
Born about 1813
Died 30 May 1863 in Gamrie
Lived in Gamrie, Turriff and Fyvie. I am guessing born there or close by.
Married Margaret Booth 6 or19 July 1845 in Gamrie. Cannot find any other info on Margaret, other than she was already deceased in 1869
Had many children, most born in Gamrie
Would really like to find birth details to help me trace his parents.
Parents MAY have been John Davidson and Janet (Jessy) Smollett (not sure how accurate this info is).
Any info would really help
Thanks
LE
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IGI has births,
Gamrie 14th Oct 1821 Margaret Booth to Peter Booth and Jean Craik.
George Davidson, 27th November 1814 at Gamrie to James Davidson and Jean Torie.
Added :- Scotland's People has the birth/christening, 10th December 1814
This may or may not be them.
Regards
Malky
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Hi LE
I assume that you've seen the Statutory death record showing on the Scotlands People site:
1863 Gamrie, Banff:
George Davidson, aged 50. Mother's mn Smollet
If you obtain this cert via the site (pay to view), it would give his parents' names.
gnu
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Hi Malky
Thanks for this info. I do not know if it is them but I'll try and follow the thread and see where it leads.
Wish I had more concrete details.
Thanks again
LE
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Further, the 1871 census has the following :-
Margaret Davidson born Gamrie, aged 50, Head of houshold.
William, born 1852, Gamrie, son
Alexander, born 1856, Gamrie, son
Jessie, born 1860, Gamrie, daughter
Frances B, born 1862, Gamrie, son
Barthea Booth, born 1847, Gamrie, boarder
Margaret A Booth, born 1871, Gamrie, boarder.
Regards
Malky
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I think this posting was overlooked
Hi LE
I assume that you've seen the Statutory death record showing on the Scotlands People site:
1863 Gamrie, Banff:
George Davidson, aged 50. Mother's mn Smollet
If you obtain this cert via the site (pay to view), it would give his parents' names.
gnu
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Hi Malky
What a fantastic forum this is !!! Thank you for the 1871 census, again this is all new info for me.
Really pleased I have more details to put on my chart
LE
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Hi GNU
Thank you for the info, but I don't think it's the correct George. I now realise that his parents were John and Janet (nee Smollet).
I think the Booth line is worth checking as this may be the right one, Really grateful. Keep the info coming !!!!
LE
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Hi LE
It is the correct death cert.
Full details are
30 May 1863, Gamrie: George Davidson, farm servant, aged about 50. Married to Margaret Booth
Parents - John Davidson, agricultural labourer and Janet m.n. Smollett. Both deceased.
Informant - Alexander Booth, brother in law.
gnu
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Hi GNU
That's the one ! Now I just need to find his marriage cert. to Janet Smollet and his birth cert.
And then a much larger piece of paper to transfer all this info onto.
LE
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Hi again
Many of the pre-1855 marriages in Scotland were not recorded for various reasons (see http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/)
To help you find an approx date, here are some of John and Janet's children's baptisms ~
All Boyndie
26 Sep 1796 Alexander
26 Sep 1797 William
24 April 1800 Elizabeth
4 April 1802 James
9 Oct 1808 Jannet
gnu
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Throwing a few things in the pot!
This looks like it could be George's brother, James b.c. 1802 ~
1851
Rashloch, Forbes, Aberdeenshire
James Davidson, 50, farmer of 5 acres, b. Boyndie
Elspet, w, 50, b. Huntly
Jannet, d, 20, b. Kennethmont
Elspet, d, 10, b. Tullynessle
gnu
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Thanks again GNU, Looks as if the pieces fit the puzzle
LE
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If your Margaret Booth turns out to be the daughter of Peter Booth (d. 81-1-1859) and Jean Craik (d. 19-12-1859), I have information on this family, being descended from Jean's older brother, William Craik.
Graham.
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Hello GR2
I'm still investigating the Margaret Booth and so far it does look as if the one in the Booth/Craik line might be her. I haven't yet been able to get any proof, but am working on it.
Can you tell me anything about Peter Booth and Jean Craik that might give me another lead ??
Thanks a lot
LE
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Hi again
To put you out of your misery ~
Margaret Booth, widow of George Davidson, died 20 Oct 1892, Gamrie, aged 70. Her parents are given as Peter Booth, crofter, and Jean m.s. Craik. Both deceased.
Her niece Bathia (?) Booth was the informant (poor writing)
gnu
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How did you know I was in misery ??
Thank you Gnu, I have spent the last 12 hours trying to find something, but because I am inexperienced in this family research stuff, it's a bit of a long process for me.
Great news about Margaret.
I am drawing a complete blank on birth details for George Davidson. Have found all his siblings birth records, but nothing for him.
Have found him on the 1841 census living with just his Mother Jannet in Don Head Banff, but no other members of the family. By then Jannet was noted as a pauper.
I've searched Scotlandspeople all over Scotland for his birth, but, so far, have drawn a blank.
Odder and odder
LE
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So Graham
Have you seen the posting from GNU confirming Margaret Booth's parents ??
It seems we have a link !
Anything you can add to my info would be very gratefully received.
I'll pass on anything I find, although I fear you are already streets (or generations) ahead of me.
LE
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Hi LE
Not all (probably a high percentage) baptisms are listed on the IGI or in the OPRs on Scotlands People so it is quite likely that you won't find George's baptism.
This has happened to me in some of my lines and I've had to rely on other sources. You do have the death cert info.
gnu
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Hi GNU
I guess I just want affirmation that he really was the son of John & Jannet and not adopted. It seems strange that all eight of the other siblings were registered and how frustrating if he was one of the ones that slipped throught the registration process.
On a whim I looked to see if there were any other Georges born in Boyndie in 1813 and came up with only one. This was a George Fordyce, born to unmarried parents George Fordyce and Catherine Cumming.
I've now traced Catherine Cumming on the 1841 census still called Cumming and living (without Mr Fordyce) as a labourer in Mains of Baldavie, Boyndie. Haven't yet been able to trace what happened to her son George.
Maybe a complete wild goose chase but I'm wondering if George Fordyce became George Davidson ????
Is there anyway to prove this ?
LE
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Well, you could continue what you're doing and also look for a death/emigration/etc., but my bet would be that George was John and Jannet's son (possibly the last) and for some reason or other he's not entered in the church records. It might be worth finding if there are easily available kirk sessions records for Boyndie and Gamrie that might give a clue.
I assume that there were no headstones for them to check for inscriptions (MIs)
gnu
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Jannet and John were listed on his death cert as parents, but I guess that would happen if he was adopted.
I haven't found a death for the other George anywhere in Scotland yet......................
How do I go about looking for an emigration ?
I'll follow up on the Kirk sessions - great idea!
Thanks alot for your help
LE
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Sending you a personal message about the Booths and Craiks.
Graham.
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LU, just adding the link to today's post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,574456.0.html
Just picking up on one point:
Regarding the children showing as born pre 1845 and George and Margaret's marriage, it may well be that either George or Margaret were married before or Margaret may have had the children (not necessarily with George being the father) outside of a marriage.
There are these submitted IGI entries that might fit with the 1851 census entry you have already which might relate to a previous marriage for George (parents show as George and Elizabeth Duff):
1. Ann DAVIDSON chr. 29 OCT 1837 Gamrie
2. Margaret DAVIDSON chr. 20 JAN 1840 Gamrie
3. George DAVIDSON chr. 31 JAN 1842 Gamrie
These are submitted entries on the IGI index. You would need to look at the original images on Scotlands People to see what info shows that could help.
Monica :)
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For ease of reading, this was the 1851 entry you posted on the other thread:
1851 Gamrie census shows
Margaret Davidson (Wife)28
Ann (daughter) 14
George (son) 9
James (son) 5
Helen (daughter) 3
William (son) 9mnths
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This looks to be Ann and Margaret with mother Elizabeth in 1841:
Elisabeth Davidson 25
Ann Davidson 3
Marg Davidson 1
Address: Pilgair, Gamrie
Monica
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Hi Monica
Thank you for all your help. I am sorry if I confused things by posting under Banff as well as Aberdeenshire. I realise now that my ancestors came mainly from Banffshire.
I have now looked at the 1861 census for Gamrie and have
Margaret Davidson(wife) 58
Helen 17
William 10
John 8
Mary 7
Alexander 4
I've now got so many bits of paper that I'm getting muddled and need to find someway to put all the info together logically. I'll look to see if I can trace anything further back about the first 3 children.
Again thanks and hope I haven't confused the issue.
LE
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To add to my searches for George Davidson's birth record.
I am now trying to find birth record for his mother Mary Davidson, nee Gerrie. Married to James Davidson.
I have an old family birthday book and she is in there as being born on 14 December 1840 and dying on 13 September 1926.
I have copy of death certificate, but cannot find birth record that matches (even leaving dates out completely I cannot find any children for Lewis and Jane)
Her parents are noted as Lewis Gerrie and Jane Jamieson
They all lived in the Fyvie area.
Can anyone help
Thanks
LE
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Hi LE
Which George Davidson (and mother) is this? We had so far George born c. 1813, husband of Margaret Booth, parents as confirmed by gnu, John and Janet (nee Smollet).
Monica
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hello Monica
Please forgive my vagueness, I've only just started out on this family research stuff and I have just realised what I said in my plea for help. SORRY. I got completely muddled !!! (I really need to find out how to keep all the bits of information I have now gathered, in some sort of logical order)
JOHN DAVIDSON and JANNET SMOLLET were the parents of GEORGE DAVIDSON
I am still looking for GEORGE DAVIDSON birth record c1813.
GEORGE married MARGARET BOOTH in 1845
They had a son called JAMES DAVIDSON in 1846 who married MARY GERRIE in Fyvie in 1869
It is this MARY GERRIE that I'm looking for info on.
LE
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Nothing showing unfortunately on the Old Parish Registers (on Scotlands People) for the births or christenings of the children of Lewis Gerrie and Jane Jamieson. As you found with George Davidson earlier, lots of reasons why you may not find these records.
Census details will let you trace the Gerrie/Gerry family and also identify siblings for Mary. From an online tree that I saw (on A/try) both Lewis and wife Jane lived past the start of official registration from 1855 and their death certs will let you confirm their parents' details.
Initial dates I am seeing that need to be confirmed are Lewis Gerrie 1818 – 1894 and Jane Jamieson 1810 – 1883.
Monica
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The marriage is noted in Scotlands People, Mary Gerry to James Davidson. You will get the parentage from there.
Regards
Malky
Added, there are a number of Mary Gerrie's/Gerry's born between 1830 and 1853 in the North and East of Scotland. The marriage record will be the simplest way to go.
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Thanks Monica
I'll obtain all the census reports and see if that helps
LE
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Have now found Birth for Lewis Gerrie and his marriage to Jane Jamieson.
He was born Lewis Herrygerrie in Tarves on 26.12.1817 to Forbes Herrygerrie
and he married Jane in Fyvie on 15.04.1838
I have come across so many different spellings and shortenings of the surname, just in case anyone else out there is searching for the same names, these are what I have found so far :
HERREYGERREY
HARRYGERRY
HAIRGERIE
GERRIE
GERRY
Is it any wonder they're difficult to trace, but what a great feeling when you do eventually find what you're looking for ! Now I'm moving up another generation to FORBES HERRYGERRIE...........................
LE
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I've now got so many bits of paper that I'm getting muddled and need to find someway to put all the info together logically.
Get yourself a genealogy program. There are loads of them available, and if you are muddled now, it's only going to get worse without a system. Do it now before you get swamped with paper ;)
I use Personal Ancestral File, which is a free download from www.familysearch.org and very easy to use. I've tried Family Tree Maker, but very much disliked it so reverted to PAF. All modern programs support GEDCOM, which is a method of moving information between programs, so your choice at this stage isn't irrevocable.
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Hi Forfarian
Last night after I dug myself out from under a mountain of paperwork, I downloaded Family Historian. Have been spending the time since transferring blurb on all my bits of paper to my tree. It's amazing how much information I've gathered in such a short time.
Yes, having a computer program to load it all onto is a necessity. Thanks.
I'm now working my way up my Gerrie line and have discovered that the Gerrie's stemmed from Herrygerrie's, all from Aberdeenshire.
If anyone can help trace a FORBES HERRYGERRY (lots of different ways to spell it).
He was living in Tarves in 1816/1817. He had 2 children there (no Mother's name) William and Lewis. Then he moved to Fyvie in early 1820's. Married Mary Williamson and had more children in Fyvie.
I would like to try and trace his marriage and his parents. Well anything about him really.
unusual name, have found lots of Herygerries, but not FORBE'S.
I think this Family history research is like trying to do a giant jigsaw puzzle with lots of plain blue sky !!!
LE
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I think this Family history research is like trying to do a giant jigsaw puzzle with lots of plain blue sky !!!
.... and about a third of the green bits missing ;)
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That's about the long and short of it !
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Hi, you're asking for information on Forbes. Have you viewed his death certificate which is available on scotlandspeople? It should reveal the name of his parents.It is under the spelling of Gerrey. He died in 1861 in Fyvie parish. There is also a will, under the surname of Gearey or Gerry. It is the same Forbes, as he's a tenant in Windyhills. Are you aware that he is buried in fyvie kirkyard? I have a note of the inscription on the family headstone. Let me know if you need the details.As well as being spelled as Gerrey on the headstone, his son's is spelled Gerrie!That's a few more to add to your list.
Regards,
flst
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Hello again flst
I found Forbe's death listed on Scotlands people earlier today, but it only had Father listed as George Gerrey. No Mother's name.
I would love details of his grave in Fyvie Kirkyard. Could you also tell me how I find his will and get a look at it ?
Forbes was my Great 3x Grandfather !
Thanks once again for all your help
LE
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I would love details of his grave in Fyvie Kirkyard.
Go to www.anesfhs.org.uk and look at the index to monumental inscriptions.
Could you also tell me how I find his will and get a look at it ?
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk has all wills to 1901. Search is free, and it costs £5 per will to download them as digital images.
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Thanks Forfarian
I'm on to it now
LE
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Here's the inscription;
Erected by Forbes Gerrey in Backhill of Fetterletter in memory of his son James died 16 June 1852 in 29 years of his age; above Forbes Gerrey died 29 Aug.1861 aged 71.His wife Mary Williamson died 26 Mar.1887 aged 92. Their son William Gerrie (sic) died 24 July 1885 aged 47; his dau.Maggie died in infancy in 1872; his wife Mary Beaton d.26 Jan 1893 aged 51. His son William Gerrard Gerrie died 6 Oct 1943 aged 66.
There's also this in the next plot;
The burial ground of the late Gerrie family, Cottown of Fetterletter.
If you could find the christenings of any of Forbes' children there may be mention of witnesses. Sometimes they are relatives & even better, addresses are given as well. :) Often there is no information :(
If you go back on scotlandspeople you can search the index for wills & testaments for free.Look down the left hand side of the page.If you want to view & download a will or inventory you'll have to purchase it. Good luck!
flst
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Thanks Forfarian for giving lynellen that information (memo to self,must type faster!) lol
I knew the A.N.E.F.H.S. have the index online.It's great isn't it? I'm a life member.
I have the booklet for the Fyvie M.I's which is why I offered to post the details.
Regards,
flst
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I knew the A.N.E.F.H.S. have the index online.It's great isn't it?
It was even better when the indexes to the unpublished MIs were included!
I have the booklet for the Fyvie M.I's which is why I offered to post the details.
Better than my contribution, actually! I don't have a copy as I don't have any rellies (well, maybe just one or two more recent oned) in Fyvie.
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flst & Forfarian
Well, here's a huge thank you to both of you. I have purchased the will, it looks as if it will take me a while to decipher it, but at least while I'm doing that I'm not spending money on Scotlands People. Must purchase the Fyvie Kirkyard MI book next.
I'm getting close to a trip to NE Scotland and doing a bit of legwork, will probably wait until it's a little warmer. I guess it's a fair bit cooler up there than down here in Devon.
LE
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Lynellen, it's actually been a bit warmer than usual for this time of year.I expect you will find the North East of Scotland a fair bit colder than Devon though! If I can help you with any queries about the area just P.M.me. I could take a photo of the headstone & kirkyard if you like. My sister stays about a mile out of Fyvie. I can easily go into the village the next time I visit her, weather permitting, & take the photos!
Forfarian, I agree with you that the index for the unpublished M.I's was useful!
Regards,
flst
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Hi flst
That is really kind of you. I will be sure to let you know when I'm coming up there as it would be nice to say hello over a wee dram !!
It would be fantastic if you could get me a photo. Wow the wonders of modern technology.
Don't suppose you have any relatives in the South West that I could return the favour with ??
LE
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I'll PM you!
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At last I've managed to take a photo of the headstones at Fyvie. :)
flst
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Another Gerrie headstone.
flst
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For those of you who have ancestors buried in Fyvie Churchyard, here's a view of it taken from the car park.It was immediately after a heavy downpour! :)
flst
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Hi there. I have a record of an ancestor of mine called George Davidson, born 27:11:1814 in Gamrie and died 30:05:1863 in Gamrie, married in July 1845 in Gamrie to Margaret Booth, also of Gamrie. George Davidson's parents seem to have been James Davidson and Jean Torie, but I have no details about them. Margaret Booth was born 14:10:1821 in Gamrie but I couldn't find a record of her death. Her parents were Peter Booth, born 1786 and Jean Craik, born 1777. They were married in Gamrie on 27:09:1812 and both died in 1859 (Peter on 8 January and Jean on 19 December).
George Davidson and Margaret Booth had a daughter Helen, born around 1853 who is my great-great-grandmother, but I can't find any further details about her.
I hope this helps, but I'm sure other people have better information than me.
Best wishes.
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Hi Iain T, & welcome to rootschat. If you reread this thread from the start you will find that your George Davidson was not the one born 27th November 1814 to James & Jean Davidson. Reply number 8 gives the details off his death certificate, naming his parents.
regards,
flst