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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: melodien on Monday 02 January 12 01:36 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to locate any records for James Moore (about 1817 - 1887) and his wife Jane Kirkpatrick (about 1819 - ??). James was a farmer, he lived in Ballywee. He had a brother called Robert. He and Jane had numerous children, including James, Maggie, Mary, Isabella, Robert, Sarah and John. James' will is available at PRONI - he died March 21, 1887, and he named his brother and his wife as his executors. His daughter Mary was my great grandmother. I can find no record of the birth or marriage of either James or Jane - clues, anyone?
regards
Melodie
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Hi,
Only record which I can find is the Griffiths Valuation (1862 for this area) which shows that James rented a 22 Acre farm. See http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
Regards
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Hello Melodien
My Kirkpatricks were living in Ballyclaverty in 1880's and I have been trying to find missing members of this Kirkpatrick family.
Strange question to ask I know..but
1. did they have twins in your family
2. did they have eye or hearing impairments in your family
Steve
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Ballywee is over 40 miles from Ballyclaverty :-\
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Sorry Aghadowey
But Ballyclaverty is about 2 inches above Ballywee ,about a mile away.
;D Steve
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Seems to be more than one Ballywee, then :)
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Steve,
TWINS
You need to distinguish ...
... identical twins;
[Cause: A single zygote splitting apart during the early differentiation process.
Such is considered an "accidental" happening - not an hereditary trait.]
... non-identical twins.
[Cause: A simultaneous release of multiple eggs.
Such is known to be a female hereditary trait.]
Scientific investigations currently conclude that the male contribution to the creation of the next generation has no measurably significant influence on any tendency to produce multiple embryos in the female's body.
During the 19thC "the development of the human embryo" was known as "Evolution"!
James KIRKPATRICK & Margaret KIRKPATRICK, twin offspring of William KIRKPATRICK of Ballywye,
were baptised on 20-MAR-1811.
James KIRKPATRICK, son of William KIRKPATRICK of Newmill,
was baptised on 10-JUN-1812.
Mary KIRKPATRICK, daughter of William KIRKPATRICK of Newmills,
was baptised 16-AUG-1813.
[The above baptisms were all performed by The Revd. Henry COOKE, a famous character!]
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Melodien,
I searched the recently transcribed 5,300 baptismal records for Donegore 1st Pb at Parkgate.
No joy on James MOORE b. ~ 1817.
Nor on Jane KIRKPATRICK b. ~ 1819.
No matches for any offspring of James MOORE & Jane KIRKPATRICK.
A Mary Jane MOORE, daughter of Robert MOORE and Margaret Wilhemina CONNELL of Ballywee,
was born 20-NOV-1854 & baptised on 22-JAN-1855 by The Revd. W. J. GILLESPIE.
Perhaps you need to search further East, in to Kilbride parish ...
Capt. Jock
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Hi Steve
I have not come across any twins, but the records are far from complete. I know that my uncle Gordon went blind early, but I think that was due to diabetes. I can't see a thing without glasses.
I'm getting the sense that Jane Kirkpatrick (or Kilpatrick, she seems to have used both) may have been from outside the area. James and Jane appear to have had their children baptised in Antrim First (Millrow) Presbyterian Church, and it's possible that there is more detail available there, if I could only find a way to get at it (I'm in Australia).
regards
Melodie
Hello Melodien
My Kirkpatricks were living in Ballyclaverty in 1880's and I have been trying to find missing members of this Kirkpatrick family.
Strange question to ask I know..but
1. did they have twins in your family
2. did they have eye or hearing impairments in your family
Steve
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Ballywee occurs in two parishes in Antrim, one of them is in Kilbride parish.
regards
Melodie
Seems to be more than one Ballywee, then :)
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Hi Captain Jock
I'm the person responsible for getting the 1st Donegore Pb baptismal records transcribed. The marriage records are being transcribed at the moment, and should be finished in early February (assuming that all goes to plan). I have some facilities available at the moment to get this type of work performed, so if you know of any other church that has photos of its records, but doesn't have them transcribed, please let me know. My rules are simple: I get the transcription completed and proof read, and then the transcription goes back to the church, and remains in their control. I do not send copies to anyone else.
I know of that Mary Jane Moore - her father Robert was the brother of the James I am interested in - the Moores seem to have been a prolific lot, and some of them were baptised in Antrim First (Millrow) Presbyterian. I'm going to enquire about getting access to the records of that church - I believe that they have been transcribed already.
Thanks for your efforts.
regards
Melodie
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Ballywee occurs in two parishes in Antrim, one of them is in Kilbride parish.
regards
Melodie
I suspect there is at least one other in Co. Antrim (perhaps not a townland) since the one I'd originally found was not in Kilbride parish/
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Hi Melodien
First Thank you for your bit on getting them transcribe.....will be a godsend for people like myself that struggle to see.
I have one to add to Capt J
Eliza Kirkpatrick of Parkgate married William McConnell of Duramsland Jan 1832.
so a Kirkpatrick family were at Parkgate at that date
intresting information about twins....... I was beginning to think it was the water in the area ::)
Happy hunting
Steve
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Hi Steve
Thanks for that clue, I'll see what I can make of it
regards
Melodie
Hi Melodien
First Thank you for your bit on getting them transcribe.....will be a godsend for people like myself that struggle to see.
I have one to add to Capt J
Eliza Kirkpatrick of Parkgate married William McConnell of Duramsland Jan 1832.
so a Kirkpatrick family were at Parkgate at that date
intresting information about twins....... I was beginning to think it was the water in the area ::)
Happy hunting
Steve
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Hi
I am also trying to find out information about this James Moore from Ballywee he may be my great great grandfather. On my great grandfathers marriage certificate (1883) (also James Moore 1841-1929) it states his father was James Moore, farmer from east ballywee hence the query. I have found no other information other than the will abstract. I'd be grateful to hear of any information you find.
Best wishes
Pat
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Hi Pat
I have very little new information, I'm afraid. Another researcher contacted me recently, and provided me with the following:
"Jane was born 1818 at Trench Co Antrim. (The 7th of 10 children)
Christened 11 September 1820 at Antrim in Millrow 1st Presbyterian Church by the Rev Alexander Montgomery.
The Trench is a place in the Townland of Craigarogan/Grange of Molusk (now called Mallusk) in the Parish of Templepatrick. Situated between the village of Craigarogan and Mallusk.
The time between birth and christening may indicate that one or both parents were members of the Millrow Church at some time or had a connection with the church and came from Antrim Town or the surrounding area ??.
JAMES MOORE died 21st March 1887 aged 69
Civil Reg. No: Antrim Jan Mar 1887 Vol 1 Page 14
Jane is in the 1901 Census at Ballymee (should be Ballywee) aged 82 with 3 children and 1 grand child.
Jane died about May 1908 at Ballywee or close by aged 88.
Civil Reg. No: Antrim Apr Jun 1908 Vol 1 Page 12"
Jane Kirkpatrick also appears as Kilpatrick in some records. She and James had the following children:
James Moore 16 Apr 1843 Potterswall
Mary Moore 16 Aug 1844 Rathenraw
Ellen Moore Jan 1846 Rathenraw
Robert Moore 24 Jun 1849 Rathenraw
Jane Moore 2 May 1851 Potterswall
John Moore 5 Jul 1853 Ballywee
Margaret Jane Feb 1856 Ballywee
Elizabeth Moore 29 Jun 1858 Rathenraw
Isabella Moore 28 Jan 1860 Ballywee
Sarah Moore about 1864 (possibly, by inference from the Irish Immigration Database, which seems to be down at the moment).
I have not confirmed any of this. All the children appear to have been christened in Antrim First Millrow Presbyterian.
I can find nothing further on James Moore senior at the moment.
regards
Melodie
Hi
I am also trying to find out information about this James Moore from Ballywee he may be my great great grandfather. On my great grandfathers marriage certificate (1883) (also James Moore 1841-1929) it states his father was James Moore, farmer from east ballywee hence the query. I have found no other information other than the will abstract. I'd be grateful to hear of any information you find.
Best wishes
Pat
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Hi Melodie
James Moore junior ( b 1843) married Sarah Beattie (b 19 June 1859) in 1883. She was originally from Parkhall, Antrim (near Potterswall....) I have a list of their children with dates of birth.. Her father was William Beattie ( 1815-1892) Sarah was one of 10 children and her brother William James was my great- grandfather! I think that Pat ( his Mother 55) may also be interested in this information...
Maria
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
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For reference, the marriage 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10922/5990183.pdf
KG
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Actually I am lurking around, but I've been busy lately (building new house, moving into new house). I've only had time to get back into family history in the last few days, and I was looking at the Moores last night. There are records connecting the Moores to the Ritchies and the Warwicks (see http://www.dippam.ac.uk/ied/records/46589 and others), but I haven't been able to establish the exact relationship. I know who some of the people mentioned in that letter are (Cousin Mary who lived at Broomhill was my great grandmother), but many of the rest are a mystery (or at least vague). If mariab1 could send me the information that she has, I'll see if it fills in any gaps.
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James and Sarah Moore farmed in the townland of Glenwhirry.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/glenwhirry/glenwhirry/
1901 Irish census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Glenwherry/Glenwherry/939257/
1911 Irish census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Glenwhirry/Glenwhirry/122674/
Ten children born, eight still living.
Birth of William 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02584/1954965.pdf
Death of William 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05498/4540049.pdf
Birth of unknown Moore 1889
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02488/1923045.pdf
Death of unknown Moore 1889
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06154/4758280.pdf
KG
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The eight living Moore siblings born in Glenwhirry, as indicated in 1911 census.
Jane (Jeannie) 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1995912.pdf
James 1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02650/1976986.pdf
Lizzie 1890
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02433/1905726.pdf
Sarah Bryson 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02350/1878329.pdf
Robert 1893
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02285/1857621.pdf
Maggie Agnes 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02197/1830379.pdf
John 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02120/1805994.pdf
Ellen 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01925/1745475.pdf
KG
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Hello KG,
Yep that's them, thank you!
Which means that PAT - HIS Mother 55 is related to one of these! I hope that she is able to see your hard work...
I need to follow up on Melodie's latest post!
Maria
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www.findagrave.com/memorial/140637820/william-moore#source
is the grave of
William Moore, son of James Moore jnr and Sarah Beattie.
Kilbride cemetery, Ballyclare County Antrim Northern Ireland
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Hi KG, Maria & Melodien
It's great to see your posts and new details re James Moore and Sarah Beattie. I keep checking every now and then incase something new pops up.
So, James Moore born 18.04.1885 was my grandad, he died in 1964 and as I was born in 1963 so I have no memory of him. I'm delighted to have a copy of his birth certificate and the birth details of his siblings. I do have the death dates of the siblings if anyone would like them and some details of spouses.
I have also found a letter from Jane Ritchie to her brother, it is dated 13th October 1911 and contains references to Uncle James Moore form Bally wee and details of her cousins including James Moore. I will try to find the link to it and post it if I do.
I continue to try to trace the family back from James Moore and Jane Kirkpatrick (Kilpatrick) with the possibility of his father being James Moore and Mother Mary Craig but I'm still trying to research it.
best wishes
Pat