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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Elmca on Sunday 01 January 12 21:55 GMT (UK)
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Looking for anyone with links to WILLIAM SMELLIE who
was a farmer at Coursington Farm mid 19th century.
He had a son also called William - this William
married a JANET HALL who died young, they had 2
children called William (b.1864) & Ann Leishman
Smellie (b.1861) William married again to JANE ALLAN in 1869 they lived at Flat Farm, Jerviston
they had 2 children called Martha (b.1869) and Mary
(b.1872) Mary died in childhood but Martha survived and married a JOHN
MEIKLE. They emigrated to Canada.
William Smellie Senior had several children including William
there was a JOHN, HUGH, JAMES, ROBERT, ALEXANDER and
MARY. Their mother was ANN LEISHMAN.
JANE ALLAN was born in 1835 in Glassford.
Her parents were John Allan & Isabella Hamilton.
Jane had a brother THOMAS and a sister MARTHA but I don't have any
info on them. Jane had an illegitimate daughter ISABELLA JARDINE ALLAN born in 1861
and she was my GG-GM.
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Hi,
I have a connection to the Martha Smellie who married John Meikle and emigrated to Canada. Martha was my great grandmother. I don't remember Martha too much as she died when I was quite young but John lived until 1964 so I remember him quite well. My grandmother was Helen Janet Thomson Meikle so I have connections to Thomsons as well. If you have any more information about the Smellie family, I would be interested to exchange information. The information from the post below was quite helpful.
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The Smellies of Coursington Farm are buried in Dalziel old parish burial ground in Motherwell. I think you may already have the monumental inscriptions from there, if you don't then I will post them here.
Coursington was a dairy farm so you may find the tenant being refered to as a "cowfeeder". Coursington was part of the estate of Dalzell, owned by the Hamiltons of Dalzell who were the local lairds.
In the first couple of decades of the 19th century Hugh Smellie (his wife may have been Elizabeth Anderson) was the tenant at Flemington farm in Dalziel parish and in the same time frame Coursington was tenanted by a man called John Hinshaw.
Smellie is one of the oldest names in Dalziel parish, they are mentioned in kirk session records at the end of the 17th century.
In one of the earliest directories of the town (1875 edition) there is a listing for "William Smellie, farmer, Coursington".
Lodger
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Thanks for your reply Lodger. sorry i'm late in getting back to you but only just saw the post. I don't have any of the Smellie MI's - only for William who was married to my ggg-grandmother Jane Allan. William's parents were William Smellie & Ann Leishman, his grandparents were Hugh Smellie & Elizabeth Anderson. Thank you, Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
The headstone with the Smellie & Allan inscription is one of four stones on a large plot belonging to the Smellie family.
The inscriptions on the other 3 are -
1. "1799 Erected by John Smillie and Isobel Baillie in memory of their deceased children".
2. "Erected by James Smellie in memory of his father William Smellie, his mother Ann Leishman, his brother Alexander and his brother Hugh, husband of Isabella Blackwood".
3. "1813 Hugh Smellie and his wife Elizabeth Anderson".
Hope this helps,
Lodger
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Thank you Lodger. I didn't realise the Allan/Smellie stone was part of a plot. That's interesting. I was sent a picture of that one stone a few years ago but unfortunately I have lost it. Thanks for the information.
Elaine :)
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Thank you everyone for this information. I have been looking into this Smellie family on and off for the last few years and just found this posting which has been very interesting, especially from Lodger.
JimmyM, just wondering if your grandmother Helen Janet Thomson Meikle was known as Nellie and married William H Greggain? If so I have managed to find the right connection when searching the other night, would love to know a little more.
My husband descends from Robert Smellie who emigrated to NZ in 1862 and married Sophia Grant in NZ.
Cheers
Karen
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Greetings
Popped down to graveyard today, took a few pics, here's one.
Cheers
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Hi Lad, that is such a great photo of the headstone, you wouldn't have by any chance got the others ie. Hugh Smellie, William Smellie (husband of Ann) esp. They are the ancestors of my husband, Hugh Smellie was his 4G Grandfather. Thank you in advance if you do have them.
Karen
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Hi Karen,
here is the stone for Hugh,
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Karen,
sorry but Hugh,s stone is on its side and partially buried, that's the best I can do, and as our learned "chatter lodger" says it,s a family plot ,here is the third stone, the forth is lying face up and covered in moss/lichen, hard to transcribe.
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I can add just a tiny bit more information to this family plot.
A Plot Book existed for this burial ground and listed burials there begining at 1901 and ending around 1954 (with a few cremation caskets up to about 1963).
This book was in the care of Motherwell District Council (taken over by North Lanarkshire Council) and free access was given to anyone who asked to view it. Unfortunately, it was stolen and never returned. Fortunately, a good friend of mine, who has ancestors buried in the Old Manse, transcribed this book and gave me a copy, so all is not lost! The book uses the plot numbers allocated on the plan drawn up by Alexander Bryden Assistant Inspector of Poor in 1893.
So, I am using Bryden's map, a copy of which I have in front of me, to give what information there is on 20th century burials within this Smellie plot. He has 4 graves marked as numbers 44, 45, 71 & 72. This makes up a large oblong-shaped plot with one-third of the lower left side missing!
A grave in those days held generations of people, not just 3 or 4 like the modern ones of today.
All dates are of burial.
No.44 (owned in 1893 by James Smellie).
ANNIE LEISHMAN SMELLIE, aged 30 years. Interred in left-hand lair at depth 6.5 feet. 6 Nov 1905.
JACKIE TURNER SMELLIE, aged 63 years, interred in centre lair, depth 6 feet. December 1906.
JAMES SMELLIE senior, aged 65 years, interred in centre lair, depth 5 feet. 11 Nov 1907.
JAMES SMELLIE junior, aged 34 years, interred in centre lair (now full) depth 4 ft. 6 Oct 1911.
MARY SMELLIE, aged 50 years, interred in lair next to Clyde, depth 5 feet. 16 March 1932.
No.45. (Owned in 1893 by William Smellie).
WILLIAM SMELLIE, aged 30 yrs, interred lair next to Clyde - right (side) depth 4 ft. 29 Nov 1919.
WILLIAM SMELLIE, aged 80 years, interred in centre lair, depth 4 feet. 7 Nov 1927.
HELEN SMELLIE, aged 78 years, FULL. depth 4 feet, 14th Feb 1935.
No.71. (Owned in 1893 by William Smellie).
JANET ALLAN or SMELLIE, aged 77 years, interred in top lair (now full) depth 4 feet. 23 Feb 1903.
JANE SMELLIE, aged 55 years, interred in second-bottom lair, depth 4 feet. 17 Aug 1921.
No. 72. (Owner in 1893 William Smellie).
DUNCAN SMELLIE, aged 2 years, interred in bottom lair, now full. Depth 4 feet. 17 Jan 1907.
WILLIAM SMELLIE, aged 74 years, FULL, depth 3 feet. 10 Feb 1940.
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I forgot to say - Lud, you deserve the Victoria Cross for going way down there in this terrible weather to photograph those stones. There's no easy way of getting there, so well done! :)
I also forgot about the short-lived "Dalziel Parish Bank". I don't know who organised this venture, it was done in the manner of a Friendly Society and seems to have existed from the end of 1815 until the start of 1829. The records are with the National Archives in Edinburgh. I have a transcription.
4 entries for the name Smellie.
SMELLIE ISABEL, abode Flemington, banked between 24th June 1818 & 23rd December 1824.
SMELLIE JANET, abode Flemington, banked between 24th June 1816 & 28th May 1818.
SMELLIE MARGARET, abode Flemington, banked between 24th June 1816 & 28th May 1818.
SMELLIE WILLIAM, abode Motherwell, banked between 2nd July 1827 & 27th January 1829.
Don't know if this will be of use, I guess Isabel, Janet & Margaret were sisters?
At first I thought that this was a savings bank for children but some names have occupations against them, so adults and children, all adults? who knows.
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Lodger and Lud, thank you so much for your help and efforts in sharing information that I would probably in no way ever imagine to find!
Lud, I agree with Lodger, I didn't realise the graves would be difficult to get to (although I have done a bit of bush bashing myself the odd time - but not in bad weather). Thank you so much your efforts and the stones are just amazing - I have never seen stones put in 'before' the deaths of people as a couple of these seem to be, really markers for a family plot.
Also Lodger, the information you have transcribed to here is just so helpful, thank you also for the time and effort to you have put in to help people all over the world.
Now I get to go and add a bit more information to my tree!
Karen
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Lodger,
Thank's for the comment, and like you!, it's great to assist fellow "Rootschatters", this is what makes this site the most friendly and helpful resource on line.
Cheers
Lud
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Hi, I use UGGY as a nickname and have been trying to create a family tree for my wife. I had a very nice lady from Scotland giving lots of help but very suddenly in Aug 2013 everything stopped. I have some paperwork that she sent to me that an ANN SMELLIE Born abt 1772 married to THOMAS MARTIN my wife's family. She was said to have been born in Lanarkshire. Do you think by any chance that there might be a connection? I have 4 other family names that I am trying to find information about. They are all from Lanarkshire and 2 Families who emigrated to America. Best wishes from UGGY.
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Hi Karen,
Just saw your post from December, and yes, you have found the right connection. My grandmother, Helen Janet Thomson Meikle, known as Nellie, was married to William Henry Greggain. Just let me know what other information you would like.
Brenda (JimmyM)
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I just started on this site today and I don't think I have any blood connection to the Smellies but in the 1871 Scots census it appears that some of my family members- Adam age 15, Thomas age 13, Daniel age 8l Jemima age 6 and Margaret age 3, along with the matriarch Margaret age 48 Harper - lived in the household before immigrating to the US later that year. The Smellies listed are William age 46 as head, his wife Ellen age 52, daughter Agnes age 23 and sons William age 18 and John age 13.Is this you family and do you have information on the Harpers and why they would be in the household?
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Hello Lud, thanks for posting the pic of Wm Smellie & Jane Allan stone, this is the pic I lost a few years ago. I think there is an ivy engraving on the top of the stone (?) - it looks like it is in good condition anyway. Much appreciated, Elaine ;)
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I just started on this site today and I don't think I have any blood connection to the Smellies but in the 1871 Scots census it appears that some of my family members- Adam age 15, Thomas age 13, Daniel age 8l Jemima age 6 and Margaret age 3, along with the matriarch Margaret age 48 Harper - lived in the household before immigrating to the US later that year. The Smellies listed are William age 46 as head, his wife Ellen age 52, daughter Agnes age 23 and sons William age 18 and John age 13.Is this you family and do you have information on the Harpers and why they would be in the household?
Hi, if you have a copy of the census then it should tell you what the occupation of each family member was, also if they were related or guests for the night, and that may give you and idea of why they were included in the household.
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I just started on this site today and I don't think I have any blood connection to the Smellies but in the 1871 Scots census it appears that some of my family members- Adam age 15, Thomas age 13, Daniel age 8l Jemima age 6 and Margaret age 3, along with the matriarch Margaret age 48 Harper - lived in the household before immigrating to the US later that year. The Smellies listed are William age 46 as head, his wife Ellen age 52, daughter Agnes age 23 and sons William age 18 and John age 13.Is this you family and do you have information on the Harpers and why they would be in the household?
Hi again, curiosity got the better of me and I checked the 1871 census on SP. This branch of the Smellie family lived on Muir Street, Hamilton, and I don't see any mention of your family living in the same household or in a nearby household, so it's unlikely there is a connection. best wishes elmca
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Hello, my name is Donna and I am a descendants from this Smellie line. I am in tears looking at the headstones of my ancestors. These pictures have brought them to life for me. They are not just a name on a piece of paper or a search on a website. There are no words to thank you enough for sharing this.
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I have a Jean / Jane Smellie married to James Ramsay and Alexander Allan married to Margaret Ramsay both marriages around 1850/1860 in Hamilton.
Alexander Allan died in Daziell Motherwell in 1856
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Hi Davieboy, the 1856 death certificate for Alexander should state his place of burial.
At that time there were 2 burial grounds in the parish. (Although he may have been taken to Hamilton).
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Davieboy,
plot 47 St Patricks Dalziel, headstone for Alexander Allan died 15 Mar 1855, probably not the one for you,also Robert Allan 59yrs 6 Apr 1882, James Allan 77yrs 21 June 1906, Janet Lamb or Allan 79yrs 15 Sep 1907, Jeannie Gibson or Allan 84 yrs 27 April 1907, her parents were Jane Allan and Andrew Gibson, this info gleaned from Survey of St Patricks graveyard records, held at "Local Studies dept, Motherwell Heritage Centre."
Cheers
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Hi Karen, as of a fortnight ago the headstone is no longer on it's side, I managed to erect it and several others, unfortunately my tablet won't let me upload the picture of Hugh Smellie's stone atm
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I'm interested in the Hinshaw/Hyndshaw family who were tenants of Coursington, particularly Robert Hinshaw who married Janet Smellie in 1789, and his descendants. Scotlandspeople gives me lots of baptisms for Coursington Hinshaws but not nearly as many deaths as I would expect - not even in surrounding parishes. Can anyone tell me whether there are any other sources that I should be checking. Thanks in anticipation.
John