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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: ezekiel on Sunday 01 January 12 11:06 GMT (UK)
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My 2xGrt Aunt, Catherine Emma Lillian ROBINSON nee WOOD was widowed in 1914 in NSW and had 8 small children all born in NSW.
She went ( have no idea why or when & had to be by ship) to Christchurch NZ where she married in 1923 , a Charles George Inwood SUMMERS, a widower.
Catherine and new husband returned to Oz sometime prior to 1948, when Charles died (Manly NSW & then she passed away in 1950 in Lakemba NSW.
??? is - I have the daughters mentioned in the SMH death notice of Catherine, listed as;
Lily (Mrs Weggery)
Eileen (Mrs. McQuinn),
Mary (Mrs Scoble)
all would have been nee ROBINSON
Lily's birth was reg'd 1900
Eileen's in 1901 and
Mary's 1905
I cannot find any of these girls, nee ROBINSON, marrying any males with these surnames in NSW nor have I been able to find a death for any of them in NSW.
I have a feeling that these daughters may have married in NZ...an older dau, Unita,born c1909, did marry in NSW to a man surname EZZEY.
Would any one be able to assist me in looking to see if there were any NZ mges for these ROBINSON girls?
Also, with passenger lists between Oz and NZ post 1914, where would be the best place to look ???
Any assistance in this gratefully accepted
Cheers, blessings and Happy New Year
Julie
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A possibility:
1919/5364
Lilian Anastasia Eugenie ROBINSON
Sydney John WEGGERY
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Edit to add:
1993/33584
WEGGERY Lillian Anastasia Eugene
Birth 30 January 1900
Leanne
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1920/5580
Eileen Agetha ROBINSON
Thomas Patrick James McQUINN
Leanne
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This may also be another daughter:
1921/2668
Phyllis Thelma Veronica ROBINSON
Edward Alexander Benjamin KRUGER
Leanne
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Thank you Leanne for the 'fast response...and the link to NZ searching BDMs...wonderful!
I would say that it is 99.9% her as she was reg'd at birth as
Lillian A E ROBINSON
so Lilian Anastasia Eugenie sounds very likely indeed.
...and whilst typing my reply, in lobbed the next sister, Eileen who was definitely Eileen A ROBINSON @ birth, followed by another I thought may have been a sister born 1904 ( born in totally different locality in NSW) and now checks out as a YES!!
I have a relation who has found that this latter find, Phyllis, died in NSW 1933 and hubby was Edward KRUGER but had no idea where they got md etc.
Thank you so very much for your effort...sometimes you just have to go with hunches and ask for help with them!
Have a very Happy New Year
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www.ryersonindex.org
MCQUINN Eileen Agatha
Death notice 02 MAR 1996
Death 94 late of Lakemba
Sydney Morning Herald 04 MAR 1996
Leanne
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also in the Ryerson Index is
Thomas Patrick McQUINN died 2mar1974 aged 76 yrs, late of Lakemba [SMH 4mar1974]
At Karori Cemetery, Wellington is the graves of Lilian and Stanley WEGGERY. He died 27nov1949 aged 66yrs and is buried in the Soldiers area; Lilian died 11jan 1993 and her ashes are interred in the same grave. The Cemetery website shows the details and a photo of the headstone and plaque.
At Waikaraka Cemetery, Onehunga, Auckland is the grave of Phyllis Thelma Veronica KRUGER, died 20aug1933 aged 29yrs; in the same plot is Cedric KRUGER, died 7sep1932 aged 3yrs.
Edward Alexander KRUGER died 1968 aged 67yrs - but haven't tracked down his grave as yet ....
Elli
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It appears Catherine was in NZ considerably earlier than you originally thought. William Maurice Robinson may have died in NSW in 1914 but he and Catherine had three children here from 1908.
NZ Births
1908 ROBINSON Joseph Edward Eugene / Catherine Emma Lillian - William Maurice
1909 ROBINSON Unita Grace Josephine / Catherine Emma Lillian - William Maurice
1911 ROBINSON Roy Lawrence Guard / Catherine Lillian - William Maurice
NZ DEATHS
2000 ROBINSON Joseph Edward Eugene (born 12apr1908)
It appears that both Unita and Roy go to NSW and marry there;
Unita to Edmund EZZEY
Roy LG ROBINSON in 1933 to Myra D PRESSICK at Newtown
Roy Laurence Gerard ROBINSON in 1940 to Gladys Amelia MOSTYN at Newtown
Myra Dorothy ROBINSON marries 1940 to Claude SILVERSIDES
These names make looking for my James Smith soooo boring!!
Best wishes
Elli
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Does William Maurice Robinson def die 1914 in Aus??
There are electoral roll entries Wellington East 1919 for
William Maurice Robinson and Catherine Emma Lillian Robinson
Bye
althea
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They are in WELLINGTON EAST in 1911
1911 Electoral Roll
Surname ROBINSON Given Names William Maurice
Place of Residence 31 Adelaide Road
Occupation labourer
also on supplementary roll, same place
Surname ROBINSON Given Names Lillian Emma
Place of Residence 31 Adelaide Road
Occupation married
Bye
Althea
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A huge THANKS to Leanne, Elli and Althea for the amazing search you've all done!
Re the death of William Maurice, it came via a cousin who has been doing the tree, but so it seems is wrong. I can see the need to verify the info she has put in before I just take it as correct.
Doing a search ( as I now can in NZ) I wonder if this might then be him, dying in NZ 1920?
1920/13172 Robinson William Maurice 50Y
I would say 99% yes, given that he was o the 1919 Electoral Roll...not further?
Elli - that explains why I could not find those births here in NSW.
I had the mge of Unita to Ezzey but not the other marriages. Thank you!
(And yes, it is so much simpler than SMITH searching - I do have SMITH family connections in NZ from my 3X gt Grandparents, Kotiro HINERANGI/Alexander GRAY from Korokareka.)
Thanks again for the assistance,,,you have al made the start to my New Year a great one!
Cheers and blessings
Julie
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Hi again Julie
Just remembering these names from your previous thread ... (thought I'd posted details of burial for William Maurice ROBINSON (1920) ... but seems not.) ???
You'll find his burial record and photos of plot, at the following link.
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/search.php
~ Lu
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OMGosh! You guys are so amazingly helpful and so resourceful...thank you Lucy! :D
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Have found on the photo of William M ROBINSON's headstone, a grandson bd with hiim...
Cuthbert (Bert) HARRIS
DIED 15/3/1975 aged 49
Have looked at mges for ROBINSON/HARRIS c 1920 - 1927 ( given approx birth yr of dec Grandson) and found
Marriage
1920/4429
Gladys Alfreda Robinson
Warren Hastings Harris
something more for me to chase and try to verify as perhaps another dau of Wm M and Catherine!
Cheers and blessings and thanks
Julie
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Good work ... (I was just searching for that grandson). ;)
~ Lu
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Have looked at mges for ROBINSON/HARRIS c 1920 - 1927 ( given approx birth yr of dec Grandson) and found
Marriage
1920/4429
Gladys Alfreda Robinson
Warren Hastings Harris
Mmm ... Gladys Alfreda HARRIS died in 1923 - aged 32 years (born about 1891).
[William Maurice and Catherine E.L. weren't married until 1896. ]
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??? is - I have the daughters mentioned in the SMH death notice of Catherine, listed as;
Lily (Mrs Weggery)
Eileen (Mrs. McQuinn),
Mary (Mrs Scoble)
all would have been nee ROBINSON
Lily's birth was reg'd 1900
Eileen's in 1901 and
Mary's 1905
Hi Julie
Looks like "Mary" was in fact "May". ;)
NSW - BIRTHS
1905 - ROBINSON - May D.
[Parents : William M. & Catherine E.L.]
... and "May Dorothea SCOBLE" - died June 1984 - aged 79 years (bc 1905)
is also in that same Karori Cemetery plot.
~ Lu
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Hi again Julie
Grandson: Death index shows ....
1975 - HARRIS - Cuthbert William James - d.o.b. 13 August 1926
[I have a feeling he is the son of May Dorothea SCOBLE ... seems she has had a marriage or two ... still looking for you. ]
;)
~ Lu
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May Dorothea ROBINSON 0- b. 1905
... oddly, though some records list her as "Mary Dorothea". ;D
NZ Marriage - 1
Mary Dorothea ROBINSON
Wilfred Reginald John SEYMOUR -- 1922
Marriage - 2
Mary Dorothea SEYMOUR
Cuthbert Percy Price HARRIS -- 1926
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Deaths
1977 - SEYMOUR - Wilfred Reginald John - b. 1902
1986 - HARRIS - Cuthbert Percy Price - b. 1904
[Given the dates of their deaths, am assuming she divorced both of these men. Archives New Zealand mostly display references to divorce records on their website (except for those whch were processed through the Wellington area Courts and Archives have these on a separate in-house database. ) May resided in the Wellington area. ]
Marriage - 3
... to SCOBLE
see next >>
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[Married as Mary Dorothea HARRIS/ROBINSON to SCOBLE in mid-1940's. ]
Deaths
1984 - SCOBLE - May Dorothea - d.o.b. 27 October 1905
1985 - SCOBLE - Albert William - 80 years
Albert William is also buried in the same Karori Cemetery plot :
~ Lu
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Hi again Lucy..
I have been searching too and didn''t find what you did re all those marriages but did find her birth in NSW as May D...mother's death notice 1950 had her as Mary (Mrs SCOBLE)
then punched into your Cemetery search for Mrs Scoble after 1950 and found her.
When I looked at that Wm ROBINSON gravesite pic with grandson, I could see that there was another person/ppl in there with them but until I got May Dorothera and Albert, couldn't work out who.
My gosh ! She sure did re-marry!!!
You are so WONDERFUL...All of you... and in no way could I ever repay you for the effort you have gone to for me in this...
except if any llokups needed here - call out!
Cheers and blessings
Julie
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Hi Julie
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Evening Post" - 20 November 1922 - page 8
"An Unhappy Couple"
[May's first marriage.... sad. ] :(
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
In searchbox, type in "Wilfred Reginald John SEYMOUR"
... this brings up articles re: the 1924 divorce. :o
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:o :o :o indeed....
Thanks again for your resourcerfulness - cannot give you a box of chocolates ( too far away + they'd melt in the heatwave we had today and yesterday) so shall be forced to get one from the fridge and lift it up in praise of your sterling efforts! - then eat it! ::) ::) ::)
Cheers and blessings
Julie
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Hi Julie
I have a bucketful of info for you - I concentrated on May Dorothea as she seemed to be the most-married of the siblings. Her children -all nine of them - are listed in death notices as her children and also listed in the notices for Albert Scoble and Cuthbert Harris!! I'll let you sort out who the parents were!!
Have newspaper notices for:
SCOBLE Mary Dorothy died 7 June 1984, Wellington
SCOBLE Albert William died 21 April 1985 at Lower Hutt (3rd husband)
SCOBLE Stephen Lawrence died 18 April 1973 at Lower Hutt (grandson)
HARRIS Cuthbert Percy Price died 27 January 1986 at Lower Hutt (2nd husband)
HARRIS Cuthbert William James died 15 March 1975 at Wellington (son)
SEYMOUR John died 19 March 1977 at Wellington (1st husband)
WEGGERY Lilian A E died 11 January 1993 at Upper Hutt (her sister)
PM me for the details
Best wishes
Elli
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Hi Julie
Managed to get another newspaper notice for you
COLLINS William Philip Tikiku died 11oct1979
will PM the details
Elli
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HI
Heading your way by PM is the newspaper death notice for:
KRUGER Edward Alexander died 1968 (husband of Phyllis Veronica Thelma ROBINSON d.1933)
Best wishes
Elli
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hi,
i have read a mesage between ellie and julie regaring william robinson and lilian wood. I am the daughter of may (mary) robinson in new zealand, if you have any information please contact me.
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Topic now merged by Moderator
Hi Deepots,
welcome to rootschat :)
Above link will take you to thread and if you reply then the posters will be notified
Regards,
Ros
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Hi Deepots,
I have just merged your reply to the original topic :)
Welcome to RootsChat
Regards Sarah :)
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Hi Julie
I am the youngest daughter of Mary (may) Scoble in New Zealand. Thank you so much for all the information you have given me through this site. There are a few new things that i have learnt about my family. I attened to the grave site of Mary and my grandfather (william robinson). I am also looking into the dates of the shipping and the passangers that came from oz to nz as the location is close to where I live.
I can give information about other members of the family such as listed in the above conversation.
I would like to know the names of the 9 children that Mary had as i believe that mum had 12.
looking forward to hearing back.
Thanks again for all the infromation that has been given.
Regards
Dee
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Hi Dee,
I am sure Julie will be very pleased to hear your news on the Robinson family.
Regards
Sarah :)
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hi Sarah
diid you receive my message regarding Robinson family arriving Wellington Nov 1905 April 1906
went to Christchurch a lot later .
regard dee
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Hi Dee,
I am sorry but I do not think that I have recieved a message from you since August.
Just checking Julie's profile I can see that she has not logged in since the end of June so will have not read your reply yet. Maybe she is on a long holiday?
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah
How can we send a message to Julie (ezekiel) or should I just reply on this page.
Regard.
Dee.
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Hello Dee and Sarah...and my most sincere apologies for my prolonged absence from Family History @ Rootschat. I had a series of personal/medical issues which had to take preference over all else and am just now getting back in dribs & drabs to what I loved doing. You're actually the 'first Cab off the rank' for me in this.
Anyway, just thought I'd touch base and explain my absence and if you can bear with me for another week, I shall in the meantime have a re-look over my Tree then get back to you.
Very nice to meet you Dee, anyway :)
Cheers and blessings
Julie
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Hi Julie,
Very sorry to hear that you have not been so well, very much hope that you are now on the mend :)
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah /Julie.
Robinson William Catherine & children arrived in Wellington NZ early 1906 Mary was 6months old.They
lived in TE ARO the chrildren went to Mt Cook school. William worked at the brick works in Taranaki st
and Miramar, left with a chest infection,started up a bike repair shop in Adelaide Rd {they seperated]
He lived in the flat above the shop Catherine started a tea come boarding house in Lyall Bay with the older
girls
Summers stayed when in Wgton .
Syd @Eileen went to work in Christchurch Catherine @ some children went with them ,Syd went back to
Oz for work Catherine Summer Anita & Marys to older children returned with them .
Hope this will tell you a little there is a lot more
Regards
dee
look forward to here from you so i can give you more, I have their wedding photo,
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Hi Sarah & Julie
Marry Xmas and a Happy New Year .
Hope to hear from you Julie in the new year, one of Marys daughters passed away in Nov,I would like to
pass on information if I can as there are only two of us now.
Hope you are getting better
Regards & Best Wishes
DEE.
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Hi Sarah.
I have been out of action, but would like to know if there is any more on
NZ to Christchurch then back or contact from Julie.
regards Dee
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Hi Dee,
Julie has been online recently but I think that she may have missed your new replies. I have just sent her a private message with link :)
Regards
Sarah
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hi Julie Leanne elli and anyone who may be interested Iam back on deck for the family of Catherine & William robinson from newzealand would like contact as reading about Catherine emma Lillian robinson nee wood was like finding my family from oz I'm dorothea daughter of mar (may) nan was Catherine last contact was as dee my nick name hope to here from somrone
dorothea
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Hello Dorothea,
Was Deepots also you ?
Regards
Sarah
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hi sarah yes that was me new contact daughter didn't like the last one have you had any calls from my online as I would like to pass on some of the information is not quite right glade to be able to contact you again I don't want another year like last and as I'm getting on would like to fill in some places
thanks for your reply
dorothea
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Hi Dorothea,
No there are no messages that I am aware of for Deepots but I can not see the PM's but as you have replied here people will see your new profile.
If you wish to change your profile again ;)I can change profile names and email contacts, this makes sure that members do not miss out on messages.
Hope that this year is a better one for you.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
sorry Julie didn't return as I would like to have contact with here or others in Australia if I can help
with information as to any on this clip I would like to I know where they all lived and died they were born
in buthust n s w younger ones in nz
I would like to know were they were before Australia and who came to aust first
looking forward to new
dorothea
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Hi Julie
I have been trying to get hold of you ,my mother was Mary or May Robinson Harris Scoble
Grandmother Catherine woods robinson Grand father William Maurice Robinson
My family are all as above and I can tell you about them all in New Zealand
Hoping we can get in contact as I would like to know more
looking forward to hearing from you
Dorothea Harris Scoble Potter.. {74] Wellington New Zealand
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Hi Dorothea. It's Edwina here. Arthur's daughter :) I've met Julie in person and I'm not sure if she's let you know yet, but she's one of your brothers daughters. I'm not 100% sure which one. I hope you're doing well. It would be lovely to hear from you. I stumbled upon this conversation while searching for details on Mary and her roots here in Australia. I would very much appreciate it if you were able to give me the names of all your siblings and their birth dates. I'm really Intrested in completing my family tree :)
-Edwina.
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Hi Edwina, and welcome to RootsChat.
If you reply once more to this topic you and Dorothea will be able to exchange personal information via the Personal Message (PM) system.
Just reply twice with a smiley icon to activate your PM facility.
Spades
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hi Edwina
are you in oz if in nz ring me if in oz they came from Bathurst Sydney I have all the papers
from mum is Julie Colins daughter if so tell her to contact if not I'm looking forward
to here from her as we can put thing right and go forward as I want to advance on this
and she may have something a don't it looks as you are both my nieces if in oz you can
look up your family I will tell you where they are
love to you I have move but the number is the same love to mum
keep in touch
Dorothea
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Dorothea
We are related through Catherine (Lily) Wood as she is my GGAunt. I have been recently trying to do more research on that side of my family and would love to find out more.
Can you contact me please.
Pat Australia
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Hi Pat.
Yes i can help Catherine was my grandmother Mary or (may) her daughter was my mother i know
where all the other brothers & sister were during the years. Pat Im not very good with the computer
but I will try
Love to here from you and I may find more about my Aust family
regard dorothea (dee)
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Dorothea
I sent you a message. I hope you got it OK.
Thanks Cousin Pat
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Hello Dorothea,
Sorry for the very late reply. yes I do believe that Collin is Julies father. She stayed with us a while before dad (Arthur) passed on. I am currently living in Australia. If you are able to private message me an email address ect, I would love to stay in contact.
- Lots of Love,
Edwina
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;)Sent a message to you Dorothea :D
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ezekie
Catherine Roberson nee Wood did not arrive in Christchurch, they arrrived in Wellington
went to Christchurch later some dates need to be up dated. arriving after Oct 1905
May [Mary] was a baby. the children went to mount cook school in Wellington.
all girls were married in wellington except may she was marries in Christchurch twice
then Auckland to Albert Scoble my father
regards Dorothea
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Hi,
I am guessing this is a message for Ezekie on the completed thread with the same title?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=573381.0
Cheers
KHP
Edited: I have asked for this to be moved
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Topics merged.
Thanks KHP ;)
Spades