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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: patrexjax on Saturday 31 December 11 15:26 GMT (UK)
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Hello all, I am totally puzzled by this family! ??? I know that these folks married in Victoria and had at least 4 children: Francis (Frank); Robert, Jessie, William. The puzzle is the fact that Francis Howie was b. 1830 in Monquhitter, Aberdeen, Scotland and Eliza Clunes was born about 1830 in Santiago, Chile, a British Subject according to various UK censuses where I have found them, including 1881. What I can't seem to grasp is WHY Francis Howie (an insurance agent in Newcastle-on-Tyne, NBL, England) picked up his family and went to England! Especially since I don't know of any family that he or his wife would have had there. I know this could involve some speculation, but perhaps Francis ran afoul of the law in Australia or some other tragedy struck the family? Any and all in put on what this family did during their time in Australia would be sincerely appreciated as I am really out of my element in his area! Happy new year! Pat
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Hi
Marriage 1862 in Victoria, Children William 1863, BURR,Frank 1864 BURR, Robert 1866,BBert, Jessie 1868 ARARAT,William 1879 Ararat, Louisa May 1872 Ararat.
William died 1865, at BURR age 19 [I presume months] sorry, I can't find where BURR or BBERT are??
so they were here until 1872 at least.
mum mum
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Hello mum mum, Thank you for that information; it does help narrow things down. AND, I have found Frances Howie in Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire with his widowed Mother and siblings in 1851. So, the net is closing in! Thanks again for the birth places! ;D Happy New Year to you and yours! Pat
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Do you know what his occupation was? Perhaps there wes no work here for him.
I can check the newspapers and see if there is anything as well.
mum mum
Looks like this is him.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66340967
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Hi,
In 1857 there were gazetted a list of persons with dead letters being held with postage due and included was a Francis Howie of Geelong.
Regards
Gerry
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Some info from the Victorian Government Gazettes.
September 1860 a Francis Howie of Armstrong street Ballaarat was a 1 share holder in the Suburban Mining Company Ballaarat.
In 1861 the busines partnership of Francis Howie and John Martin farmers of Burrumbeet under the firm of "Martin and Howie" was dissolved by mutual consent on 1st June 1861.
In October 1865 a Francis Howie leased 571 acres, 1 rood & 8 perches in the agricultural area of Woodnaggerak in the parish of Woodnagerak, Victoria.
The 'Burr' in the births was probably Burrumbeet.
Gerry
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Hi
I can't seem to find anything on Trove after around 1864. can anyonne else find anything?
mum mum
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Hello all, While I stepped out for a while, you have all been quite busy! ;D In Scotland, Francis Howie's family were farmers and agricultural laborers. Upon his return to England, Francis is listed in the 1881 census as an "insurance agent." I am trying to find him in the business directories in Newcastle for that time frame....I will let all know of the outcome on that! Thanks to all for your input and help. It does appear that he left Scotland and arrived in Australia sometime after 1851 census and before 1860. I have not found him on a ship's list..... :'( Happy new year to all! Pat
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Hi
On the 'Yorkshire' June 1873. Francis Howie, 40, Jessie 5. infaant with 1, Robert 7, Frank 9, Willie 3, mrs 36.
http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp
Public Records Office Vic digitised indexes. Go to Index to Outward passengers, search for 'Howie' for some reason the link to my search relults wont work.
mum mum
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Hello again! Hmmm, June 1873 leaving Australia with family....that's why I couldn't find him in 1871 England census! Great find! Thanks! ;D Pat
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Hello all! I think I have partially solved the mystery! The daughter, Jessie, married William James Fairless who was born in Southwick, County Durham; they apparently had at least one child who was born in Victoria (Francis Howie Fairless b. abt 1894) and then THEY returned to Sunderland to have more children. And, in fact, ELiza (nee: Clunes) was living with them in 1901 as a widow and died in 1906..... So, I guess the only other question I have is Eliza Clunes herself who was Born in 1830 in Chile....can anyone tell me why she would have been born in Chile? ??? Again, thanks for all the sterling help! Happy new year! Pat
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Hi again,
Do you have their marriage certificate, it should tell you her parents names and their place of birth, occupation etc. You can buy and download an image online. around $18 AU, then we should be able to trace her parents.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home
mum mum
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Hello mum mum, thanks for the suggestion...before I spend that $$ on a possible collateral line, is there any OZ census available that would show the couple around 1894 or so?? Pat
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No census, our electoral roll starts 1903 in Victoria, in NSW they aren't available till 1930.
mum mum
The birth, Francis H Fairless, Stockton NSW 1894.
Eliza's death? Eliza S Howe, father William, mother Rebecca S, at Balmain North in 1906.
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Hi mum mum, Thanks for the bad news on the censuses..... :'( A friend of mine who has Ancestry just told me that the Fairless - Clune marriage is in Newtown, NSW in 1893...... Looks like I have to move some of my looking into NSW!!!! Thanks again for your help! Pat
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Hi mum mum, Thanks for the bad news on the censuses..... :'( A friend of mine who has Ancestry just told me that the Fairless - Clune marriage is in Newtown, NSW in 1893...... Looks like I have to move some of my looking into NSW!!!! Thanks again for your help! Pat
I assume you mean FAIRLESS/HOWIE marriage :)
New South Wales bdm's are online
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Marriage
5414/1893
FAIRLESS William J
HOWIE Jessie
District Newtown
There are a couple of possibilities for Mrs FAIRLESS arriving in England, however one has nationality English and the other not recorded. I can't see them arriving together.
A few snippets re Francis.
HOWIE Francis.
Missing friends 31 May 1853
'Argus' missing friends index 1851-1853 Compiler Marion Button
Comment: re William Fyfe
HOWIE Francis.
Missing friends 2 Jun 1853
'Argus' missing friends index 1851-1853 Marion Button
Comment: re William Fyfe
HOWIE Francis.
Gazetted 13 Aug 1867 Victorian Government Gazette Page#1481
Woodnaggerak Victoria
Allotments Forfeited Non-payment of Rent
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
1860 Francis HOWIE of Armstrong Street, Ballarat – shareholder of co to be registered
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7d/
Dissolution of farming partnership 1861
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7a/
Sale of farming equipment 1861
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7e/
Supporting local MP 1864
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7b/
Francis HOWIE listed as shareholder of Essex Co – notice is self explanatory
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0j7c/
Many more similar notices on TROVE.
Perhaps Francis was one of the many thousands who invested in speculative gold mining companies and lost their investments.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hello cando, Thanks for the additional information; it certainly helps pinpoint his arrival in Australia and his efforts to earn a living. ;D Also, thanks for the bmd link; I know it will be helpful as I learn more about this family. Happy new year to you and yours! Pat
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Pat there is a Resources Board for Aus at the top of the page....you may find some of the links helpful :)
Cheers
Cando
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Hi cando! Yes, I can see that I need to "dig in" to those resources! Thanks for helping a newbie to OZ research. ;D Pat
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Just some extra info for you.
Australian BMD certs are excellent and have much more information than English ones - so long as the informant knows and shares the correct information -exactly what info is on the various state certificates is shown here:
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Victorian historical certs can be downloaded immediately. If you are ordering any from NSW it is cheaper and quicker to use an accredited transcription agent who will email you the info.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
There is a shipping entry for the Cuzco, Sydney-London, arriving London 23 December 1895.
Mrs W FAIRLESS, 35, in the column for occupation, calling etc she is listed as 'wife'
Frances Howie FAIRLESS, 2, listed as 'son'
Can't see William in this entry.
Judith
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Hello judb, Thank you so much for the arrival information as well as cert details. Yes, this would be Jessie and their son arriving from Australia. William may have come ahead of them to establish his business: in 1901 census he is listed as a "shopkeeper beer off & provisions" in Sunderland on #1 Australia Street! ;D Happy new year to you and yours. Pat
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Monquhitter Churchyard Monumental Inscription # 15
"Erected by Isobel Davidson in memory of her husband Francis Howie farmer in Kathen d 25.8.1842 aged 65, dau Elizabeth d in childbed in 1834, son Francis d 3.2.1856 aged 25, dau Mary Howie d 11.12.1854 aged 26. Above Isobel Davidson d Meikle Gourdas, Fyvie 16.7.1867 aged 69."
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Hello Artemis1....THANK YOU so much for the extra information. ;D Sorry I did not reply sooner, but my computer developed some issues not enabling me to access the internet. Again, thanks! Patrexjax
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Marriage notice for William and Jessie http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article135996157
Regards
Ros
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Hello rosball, THANK YOU!!!! ;D Very much appreciated. Patrexjax