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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Heather01 on Friday 30 December 11 08:49 GMT (UK)
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My gg grandparents James and Sarah Ann (née Hamilton) Winchester immigrated to New Zealand in 1874. James's parents were John and Mary (née Rice) Winchester. John Winchesters father was also a James d.1833. I would be grateful for anymore information on this family. Shanes Hill has been mentioned in the family folklore (something about fairies) and also New Mills church.
Many thanks
Heather01
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Hi,
James Winchester married Sarah Ann Hamilton on 17 Jun 1861 in Lurgan Civil Registrars Office, Shankill, Lurgan, Co. Armagh. The Griffiths Valuation (1864 for Armagh and Down) only lists two Winchesters holding property in the county Armagh and one in Co Down
James held a house in the townland of Fernagreevagh, Parish of Loughgall (This is near Armagh)
John Held a house in Knocknamuckly, Parish Of Seagoe near Lurgan.
John held a house and two acres of Land in the townland of Ballydugan, Parish of Tullylish Near Lurgan, Co. Down
Regards
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Winchester is an old name at Newmills Presbyterian Church. A James Winchester was appointed Member of the session in 1797, i.e. one of the first elders;and one of the oldest 3 gravestones was said to be for a Winchester, though I did not find it. I am looking for Sarah Winchester born before 1800 and married to William McCleary with dau Charlotte.
A John was a weaver in Ballydougan and had son Christopher who married Jane Pollock. One of their children was named Hamilton. They sound related and were in Ballydougan. Shane Hill has been mentioned by others, not about fairies, and is probably in Ballydougan. Need help on that.
James and Sarah had son James b Oct 1871 in Ballygargin. Can't find the baptism record and don't know what church they used. Sarah jane's father was Samuel. A Samuel and Judith lived in Ballydougan and had children at the right time, but I am not seeing Sarah Jane's baptism. She probably had sister Esther who married Robert Harrison and Mary who married Joseph Livingston at Knocknamuckley. There may be another Samuel of Ballydougan who married Rebecca, but it is quite possible that somehow the Knocknamuckley records are wrong and this Samuel was really Lewis who, indeed, married a Rebecca.
I think the Rices were at Knocknamuckley Church of Ireland and Rootschat has messages from some families.
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Thanks so much for your replys. Gives me something to work on. Yes Sarah Anns parents were Judith (née McNeil) and Samuel Hamilton however I cannot find any record of them. I know Sarah Ann had a brother Henry as he also came to New Zealand.
Is there any site for history of New Mills Church. I have tried the rosdavies Tullylish all site but cannot access the history site recommended there.
Thanks again
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This is from the Knocknamuckley records and you can see the errors possibly due to penmanship. L and S are look very much the same and the church used wide pen nibs frequently when recording baptisms. You do the best you can guessing at up and down strokes.
1843 3 September Mary Jane to John& Eleanor Hamilton Moyraferty
1846 15 July Henry to John & Judith Hamilton B,Dougan
1848 6March Samuel to Lewis & Rebecca Hamilton B,Dougan
1852 19September Mary to Samuel & Judith Hamilton Ballydougan
1838 7october Louis to Samuel Rebecca Hamilton Ballydougan
1849 1October Rebecca to William Sarah Hamilton Ballynagarrick
1843 24 December to David William Sarah Hamilton or Houston B,Nagarrick
There is a site "Griffiths family from rayleane" or something like that which mentions Lewis Hamilton renting in Corcreany and Clare, Co Down. It mentions children born before Knocknamuckley's beginnings as Lewis and Rebecca Harrison were married in 1823 , so whoever collected the information might know what church to look for. Their Samuel is too young. Lewis b abt 1820 was unmarried in 1857's knocknamuckley census and is buried at Tullylish Graveyard. The Down graveyard series lists children with him. There is no mention of Samuel. McNeills are in Ballydougan. You might Google the site and see if the owner can help with your Hamiltons.
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Thank you KatC for your message, it is the high point on an otherwise shaky morning (more earthquakes hit ChCh NZ) but still have the power on so I can let you know how grateful I am for your information.
The Mary born to Samuel and Judith Hamilton in 1852 is probably Sarah Anns younger sister so that's exciting news
Will follow up on the site you suggest
Once again many thanks
Happy New Year
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Winchester is an old name at Newmills Presbyterian Church. A James Winchester was appointed Member of the session in 1797, i.e. one of the first elders;and one of the oldest 3 gravestones was said to be for a Winchester, though I did not find it. I am looking for Sarah Winchester born before 1800 and married to William McCleary with dau Charlotte.
A John was a weaver in Ballydougan and had son Christopher who married Jane Pollock. One of their children was named Hamilton. They sound related and were in Ballydougan. Shane Hill has been mentioned by others, not about fairies, and is probably in Ballydougan. Need help on that.
James and Sarah had son James b Oct 1871 in Ballygargin. Can't find the baptism record and don't know what church they used. Sarah jane's father was Samuel. A Samuel and Judith lived in Ballydougan and had children at the right time, but I am not seeing Sarah Jane's baptism. She probably had sister Esther who married Robert Harrison and Mary who married Joseph Livingston at Knocknamuckley. There may be another Samuel of Ballydougan who married Rebecca, but it is quite possible that somehow the Knocknamuckley records are wrong and this Samuel was really Lewis who, indeed, married a Rebecca.
I think the Rices were at Knocknamuckley Church of Ireland and Rootschat has messages from some families.
I can clear up "Shane's Hill". We call it Shane's Hill rock. It is the highest point in Ballydougan townland. It is currently a reservoir. It was also a place for public meetings in the 1800's.