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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Forfarian on Thursday 29 December 11 17:57 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone happen to know whether Alexander Brownlee, husband of Jane Walker, and James Brownlee, husband of Lilias Barry, were brothers, the sons of James Brownlee and Martha Thomson? In 1851 they were both listed in separate households at Headlesscross, Cambusnethan, Alexander aged 50 and James aged 49.
(For the avoidance of duplication, I have asked the same question on the Rootsweb Lanark mailing list. I'll report as soon as I get any information from there or elsewhere.)
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Did they both die after 1855? Sight of their respective death certs will give their parents names
EDIT - both were still alive in 1861
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I know I could look them up, but I am hoping that someone out there just happens to know. They're not my direct line, but several of their children married into families related to me, and I haven'y got any spare credits at the moment.
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There are A/tree trees (I know Forfarian, I don't have to give health warnings on these ;)).
Nothing there for Alexander as son to James and Martha, but James, husband of Lilias shows as a son. His death is given on 31 DEC 1890 in Headless Cross, Cambusnethan (birth on 3 APR 1800 in Cambusnethan). Wife Lilias is showing as having died on 1 JAN 1887 in Headless Cross, Cambusnethan - parents John and Mary (Forrest).
Monica :)
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Quite a bit of detail here regarding James Browlee and Lillias Barrie www.brownlee.com.au/Pages/Charts/Chart%2010164.html
Monica
Added: From on line details, Alexander's death is given as 5 Feb 1867 in Headlesscross Mains Cambusnethan. Looking at his children's names (with an early born James and Martha) certainly the couple you are looking at for parents would fit well.
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Thank you, Carole and Monica. It does look as if they are indeed brothers.
I really wasn't expecting anyone to do any investigation for me - it was literally just on the off-chance that someone else had been looking at this family and happened to know.
Many thanks, both.
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Monumental Inscription from Cambusnethan churchyard -
"James Brownlie died 31st December 1890 aged 91 years. His wife Lilias Barrie died 1st January 188(*) aged 86 years".
(This stone was very worn when transcribed 30 years ago).
The next stone to that one is a "flat stone", probably one of the oldest in the churchyard (so anything from about 1650 onwards). It reads -
"This is the appointed burying place of James Brounlie and Janet Waddell his spous. James Brownlie, Headlesscross".
There is a large carving of what appears to be a malt shovel on this stone.
Couldn't find stones for Brownlee/Walker or Brownlee/Thomson.
I'll check the burial registers and get back with anythin I can find.
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Thanks, Jim. Looks as if they were in Headlesscross for a very long time, then.
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This is what the various burial books throw up for the Brownlie/lee family of Headlesscross.
The records for the old churchyard are scant, there is a Lair Book that only begins about 1875, there are some entries mixed-in with the Day Book for the new cemetery 1861 - 1881. Some are also mixed in with the paupers burials.
So, from the Lair book,
One lair, owners listed as Alexander Brownlie and Jean Walker.
Interred in the centre lair - JEAN BROWNLIE, aged 90 years, 26th May 1892.
No other entries.
One lair, owner listed as James Brownlie, Headlesscross.
Interred in the south lair - JAMES BROWNLIE, aged 90 years, 6th January 1891.
Interred in the centre lair - LILLIAS BROWNLIE, aged 86 years, 6th January 1887.
No other entries.
From the Day Book -
ALEXANDER BROWNLIE, farmer, mains Headlesscross, aged 65 years, married.
Parents - James Brownlie & Martha Thomson.
Interred in the old churchyard, 8th February 1867.
The only other entries that may be connected are for some children of John Brownlee and Alicia Pettigrew of Headlesscross.
Lodger
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Thank you again, Jim. That last bit nails it, I think.
This will be great news for a cousin in Oz who is a direct descendants of the Brownlees in Headlesscross.
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Yes Alexander Brownlee who married Jane Walker and James Brownlee who married Lillias Barrie were bothers and both were sons of James Brownlee and Martha Thompson. I am descended from Alexander and would be pleased to exchange info with you.
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Thoughthis post is old, l though l would comment. l am not related to the Brownlees of Cambusnethan, but the posts have been very interesting as my great grandmother Sarah Docherty was listed as a servant in the household of John and Martha Brownlee in the 1881 census for Headless Cross. She was 19 years old and was born in Wishaw. You have all done a marvellous job of recording your records from Australia, Canada, U.K. and U.S.A. I was born very near Cambusnethan but now live in Canada. So far, l have not been very lucky at finding long-lost relatives who are interested in my research even a DNA test only revealed 4th and 5th cousins, so no close matches. My children, who are first-generation Canadians, have no interest either but l will plod on for the benefit of generations to come.
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Re: Brownlees in Headlesscross, Cambusnethan *completed thank you*
"Brownlees of the Headlesscross Farm". This is my first post on this site so hopefully the required recipients will see this.
I have in my tree James Brownlee who was the proprietor of the farm. I'm actually adopted and my Birth name is Brownlee. However, should any be interested I have on an xl spread sheet the descendants down to the present day. The best part is how the name originated. That is in a book about the Newton Stone.
Regards, Peter Millar.
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The lines of interest to me are
(1) John Brownlee (c1847-1923) and Janet Smith (1851-1920); Janet was my 3rd cousin 3 times removed.
(2) James Brownlee (c1829-1913) and Catherine Storry (1831-1918); Catherine was also my 3rd cousin 3 times removed, and first cousin once removed of Janet Smith.
(3) Lilias Brownlee (c1842-1922) and Claud Smith (1838-1925); Claud was Janet's elder brother, and therefore also a 3rd cousin 3 times removed to me, and 1st cousin once removed to Catherine Storry.
No, I can't get my head round all these cousin intermarriages either :)
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James Brownlee, the proprietor of the Headlesscross Farm is in my tree.
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Enclosed is a little some for all.
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Thank you.
So you and I are connected through all three of the Brownlee lines I mentioned above, but we're not blood relations.
I do have some information about the Brownlee descendants who are related to me. PM me if you'd like to see it.
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I have just spent a wet Sunday afternoon checking the burial records and MI book for Cambusnethan, looking for any connection to the Brownlie family of Headlesscross. The MIs were transcribed between 1982 & 1983. The burial records were transcribed several decades later, by different people. It would have helped the cross-checking if the records had been aligned to the MIs but this is not the case and it makes thing that much more difficult to marry-up.
This is what I have discovered.
The plot in the old churchyard (at Greenhead) has many stones with the name Brownlie (and its variations). Probably the oldest known stone dates back to 1726 (about 50 years after the church was built there) and this stone is on a large family plot which was used by the Brownlies over many generations. There are three headstones (there may be others buried) on this plot.
Stone 1. A flat stone, very worn. The inscription reads - "Margaret (Mar)shall died 3rd May 1726 and is the appointed burying place for Alexander Brounly and Janet Russell his spouse and their children 1733". (This is followed by a Latin inscription which has not been transcribed).
Stone 2. An upright stone. "James Brownlie died 31st December 1890 aged 91 years. His wife Lillias Barrie died 1st January 1887 aged 86 years".
Stone 3. A flat stone. "This is the appointed burying place of James Brounlie and Janet Waddell his spous. (Large carving of a malt shovel). James Brownlie, Headlesscross".
I think that stone number 3 is, because of the spelling, probably the oldest.
From the plot owners register (This register only begins about 1875 unfortunately)
Plot owned by James Brownlie, Headless Cross.
In the South lair - James Brownlie aged 90 years, interred 6th January 1891.
In the Centre lair - Lillias Brownlie, aged 86 years, interred 6th January 1887.
Probably in this same plot but before the Plot book was begun. This is taken from the gravedigger's day book.
Alexander Brownlie, farmer, Mains (of) Headlesscross, aged 65 years, married.
Parents - James Brownlie & Martha Thomson.
Interred in the old churchyard 8th February 1867.
This next entry is from the Plot Book, with no corresponding entry from the Day Book or MI to confirm parents names. All I can say is that it isn't very close to the Headlesscross plot, it seems to be on a Walker plot, the name Taylor appears on the stone there.
Plot owned by Alexander Brownlie and Jean Walker.
In the Centre plot - Jean Brownlie aged 90 years, interred 26th May 1892.
Lastly, not the old churchyard but the Private walled burial ground between the churchyard and the municipal cemetery.
Plot number 605.
Stillborn Female Brownlle, Headlesscross.
Parents - John Brownlee and Alicia Pettigrew. Interred 16th December 1863.
Alishia Brownlee, housewife, Headlesscross, aged about 30 years, married.
Parents - William Pettigrew and Alisha Smellie. Interred 1st September 1871.
Plot 606. (I imagine these 2 John's are father and son?)
Martha Brownlie, Liberton, aged 2 years.
Parents - John Brownlie and Martha Dalziel. Interred 23rd October 1890.
Robert Brownlie, Edinburgh, aged 18 months.
Parents - John Brownlie and Martha Dalziel. Interred 14th January 1895.
Any questions? ??? ??? ???
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Alexander Brownlie, farmer, Mains (of) Headlesscross, aged 65 years, married.
Parents - James Brownlie & Martha Thomson.
Interred in the old churchyard 8th February 1867.
This next entry is from the Plot Book, with no corresponding entry from the Day Book or MI to confirm parents names. All I can say is that it isn't very close to the Headlesscross plot, it seems to be on a Walker plot, the name Taylor appears on the stone there.
Plot owned by Alexander Brownlie and Jean Walker.
In the Centre plot - Jean Brownlie aged 90 years, interred 26th May 1892.
Thanks, Jim
Jane/Jean Walker, who died 21 May 1892 at Croftmalloch, Whitburm, was the wife of Alexander Brownlee, who died 5 February 1867 at Headlesscross. Her parents were Alexander Walker and Elizabeth Barrie.
All their descendants whose spouses were related to me died elsewhere, but it's useful to know they're not buried in Cambusnethan.
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Another snippet that may be of interest.
Abridgments of Sasines
No 118, 1781-09-15 PR 21.267 James Brownlie of Headlesscross seised Sept 13 1781 in part of Headlesscross and teinds, parish of Cambusnethan, on disposition by William Storry of Badallan.
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Hello
I have been reviewing the remarks on this post and I see you commented you are a descendant of Alexander Brownlee (1802-1867) Married Jane/Jean Walker if so I would be interested in sharing some information as I am as well.
My email is *
Thank you
Marsha
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Hi, I am related to the Brownlee's. My great grandmother was Lilias Brownlee and her father was John Brownlee of Mains of Strageath Muthill. My great great great grandfather was Alexander Brownlee. I'd be interested in any family history if anyone has anything to share.
Thank you in advance 😀