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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 28 December 11 14:36 GMT (UK)
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This was copied into a family bible. can anyone find him from the army numbers
I am not sure that John died in the war, he was born at Flint about 1886, and was aged 25 , living in Brymbo near Wrexham in 1911. Thomas Alfred Jones was the eldest son b c 1906
John Jones will
Home server in the German war leaves a wife and four children to serve his country this is my will. I intend to leave all my belongings to Beatrice my wife while she is in my name and then all to my children my watch is for my oldest son and my fathers watch is to be left to Percy Jones if he looks after himself he is not to get it till he is old enough signed Sergt John Jones No 638 58th RWF 14/3/1915
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His Medal Index Card shows numbers 638 and also 53857 with the RWF. British War Medal and Victory Medal, but no Star so he didn't go overseas prior to 1916.
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Thanks .
Would there be any service records I can find using these details ?
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Sorry, his papers don't appear to have survived
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Thanks for your help .
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QUOTE: Sergt John Jones No 638 58th RWF
'58th' looks as if it should be a battalion number, but RWF seems only to have got up to 26th (Service) Battalion.
5th or 1/5th were TF, based at Flint. 2/5th formed at Wrexham in 1914. 3/5th was formed in March 1915 at Flint and in 1916 became a Reserve battalion. 8th was a Service battalion formed at Wrexham.
Odd.
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I'm going to complicate this a bit.
My research shows John Price Jones 638/53857 was from Cyttir, Llangoed, Anglesey. He served overseas with the 1st Battalion from early September 1916. Possibly had a brother William Jones was in the Labour Corps Pte 257742(no overseas service)
Many 2nd line Territorial Force men were sent over after the Somme had started in earnest and, because they were then posted to 'Regular' Battalions, they were given a 'Regular' number. RWF 5xxxx series are littered with them.
Re the 638 number. It would make sense, given the Anglesey connection, for this to be a 6th Battalion number (Carnarvon & Anglesey) but this number was allocated to Richard Richards of Tremadoc (in June 1909. Service papers extant)
638 in 5th Bn (Flintshire) would have enlisted around April 1909.
6638 RWF was also a John P Jones. I have no further details yet on him other than he didn't go overseas till after 1/1/1916. This number in the Regulars would have enlisted 1901. In 4th Battalion would have enlisted 1910 and in Special Reserve (most likely) in June/July 1915. It would be far too high a number for the other 3 TF unots (5th, 6th and 7th) in March 1915 which is when the will was signed.
Can you link your man to Anglesey?
What wartime address have you got for him?
Gwil
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There is no link to Anglesey.
I have looked again at the entry, the writing is very disjointed and it may be 5 Btt
In 1911 John is aged 25 living at 1 Boncyn, Brymbo, near Wrexham and is a collier.
They stayed in that area,
His father Thomas is a steel smelter and has also moved to Brymbo from Flint.
There was a brother Edwin Thomas Jones b c 1888 also born Flint.
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The 53857 number is quite near that of my grandfathers (also an Anglesey man and who served with 1st Bn early 1916 onwards). In my research into him I had obtained a chunk of the actual Medal Roll (as opposed to the Medal Card) covering his number. I have looked up that Roll now and I see that the middle number of the John P Jones '638' number has been overtyped. It look like 3 and 5 and it's hard to say which it should be. But once again we are stumped with it being a 6th Bn number as 658 is Evan Hughes of 1 Smith St, Portmadoc (extant Service papers)
Looks to be two different men though with some Admin/Typo problems on the 6th Bn side of things. We're not helped by the age old Welsh genealogical problem of 'which John Jones' :-)
I can account for a considerable amout of RWF ones but not, unfortunately, the one in your Will.
Can't find Edwin T Jones being a RWF man. Plenty of plain Edwin Jones though.
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Ah well, we tried . Thanks.
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John Jones was my Great-Grandfather. His son, George Jones was my Taid. It would be good to get in contact, as I have some information regarding John Jones, or "Jack Flint" as he was nicknamed. I have a photo of him somewhere and a few stories about him, from his daughter (and my late Great-Aunt) Violet Owens.
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This is part of my husbands family, also I did some research for his cousin who is a Jones.
Is this the right family , they were known as "Flint "
John Jones married Beatrice Edwards on 11 April 1905 at the Register Office, Wrexham
John was 19 and lived at 11 Mount Hill, Brymbo, his father was Thomas Jones, steel furnaceman.
Beatrice was 18 and lived at Maelor View, Brymbo, her father was Thomas Edwards, deceased.
Witnesses were John Francis Jones and Mary Jones.
1901 4 Mount Hill Brymbo
Thomas Jones 46 steel smelter b Flint c 1855 speaks both.
Maria 46 b Flint c 1855 speaks both
John son 15 labourer in steelworks b Flint speaks English
Edwin son 13 b Flint
Sarah dau 11 b Flint
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Yes, this is definitely the same family. Who is your husband then?
My Dad is Philip Jones, brother to Celia, Haydn, the late Barry, and Louise.
His parents were George Jones and Joyce [Evans]. I have some photos of George's father John Jones/Jack Flint and John's wife Beatrice.
I have researched both John Jones' and Beatrice [Edwards] families.
Without referring to my records, I recall John having a brother Edwin (Ned Flint) and a sister Sarah, who married a Hooson.
When John Jones signed up to fight the Great War, he had a horse and trap (he was a "carrier") - the horse's name was Polly. He sold these and his business (upon signing-up) to the "Green's" a haulier who still has a business in that area. John (Jack Flint) was living in 8 Long Row, before going off to fight, although my Taid's birth certificate records them living (earlier) in the Boncyn.
As you say, John's father worked in Brymbo Steelworks. The whole family came to Brymbo from Flint, where I have only some information, although I have extensively traced John's maternal line into Halkyn and beyond.
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John Jones did survive the Great War, although he suffered ill health (jaundice) from malaria, whilst serving on the Eastern Front. I know that he definitely served in Egypt and sailed from Southampton. His wife, Beatrice, went down there to see him off, and I understand that this was where Great Aunt Vi was conceived.
When he was de-mobbed, he was trained to be a bricklayer. However, his ill health ultimately saw him die prematurely in the 1930's. He is buried in Brymbo Churchyard (I know where). The funeral had a RWF buglar sound the last post. However, the family had to take legal action to gain rights to a war pension, because the establishment contended that he died as result of overseas war service.
I can forward further details to your husband's cousin.
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As you have made 3 posts , you can send me a PM.
Can you do that and give me your email address.
I also got stuck with the Jones, but have found the Parry, Blackwell and Lloyd family of Halkyn.
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John Jones is my great great grandfather. I only have one photograph of him. My great grandmother was his daughter Elsie.
(https://ibb.co/ZzM4QCY)
I know this is an old thread but if anyone sees this I would love to hear any information or see any photos you may have.
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John Jones was my Great-Grandfather. His son, George Jones was my Taid. It would be good to get in contact, as I have some information regarding John Jones, or "Jack Flint" as he was nicknamed. I have a photo of him somewhere and a few stories about him, from his daughter (and my late Great-Aunt) Violet Owens.
Hello if you see this could you get in touch please? I’m just interested in any info you have on the Jones family. John Jones was my great great grandfather, his daughter Elsie was my great grandmother.
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That is a pre WW1 Territorial Force picture so he had pre-war TF service.