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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: KAllardyce on Tuesday 27 December 11 20:08 GMT (UK)
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Patrick Grimes (b 1835) married Jane Fairon (b 1830) in 1856, in a Roman Catholic Church. I think they lived at Charter School Lane, as that was where Jane gave birth to her children. Patrick was a carpenter.
Would a carpenter have been a traveler, moving towns to the next job? Alternatively, would it have meant that he stayed in one place? Because I can't find a death record for Jane or Patrick... Also, on the site where I found their marriage record, it does not say who their parents were. Was this common practice?
Their children:
Mary Grimes 1861 – 1909
Patrick Grimes 1865 – abt 1873
Patrick Grimes 1865 – abt 1875
James Grimes 1868 – unknown
Patrick Joseph Grimes 1873 – unknown
Mary Grimes was in Scotland marrying by the time she was 26, was it common that one member of a family would emigrate alone, or could it have been that the whole family went? I read on there, that there may not have been records for boarder travel from Ireland to England, for example. Is there any other way I can find out what happened to the other Grimes?
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Starting with the marriage- civil registration of Catholic marriages started in 1864 so the details in the church records vary according to the church but I think it's not uncommon to have no parents listed.
Next Mary Grimes- there was a tremendous amount of travelling between Scotland and NUlster and it wasn't uncommon for a person to move over to Scotland and stay with friends or relatives a short while before getting a job and settling down. Ireland was part of the U.K. so no records were kept of travel between Ireland and Scotland, Wales and England.
Deaths of Patrick and Jane- have you searched on Scotland's People website to see if there are any possibilities? Have you found any of the family from 1873 onwards (besides Mary)?
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Could this be Patrick in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armagh_South_Urban/Castle_Street/324663/
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For reference here are details of children from www.familysearch.org-
Patrick Grimes born 26 June 1865 Armagh registration district (page 82 in civil register)- parents Patrick Grimes & Jane Fairon
Possible Death registration: Patrick Grimes (age 0- under 1 year) 1866 Armagh Registration District volume 1 page 28
James Grimes born 11 Jan.1868 Armagh registration district (page 37 in civil register)- parents Patrick Grimes & Jane Fairon
Patrick Joseph Grimes born 3 Aug.1873 Armagh registration district- parents Patrick Grimes & Jane Fearon.
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Could this be Patrick in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armagh_South_Urban/Castle_Street/324663/
Wow, that's really good! I am pretty sure this is him, because on the next two streets, I have found people to match his sons! You cannot imagine how long I have been trying to find them. I had almost given up hope that they had stayed in Ireland.
Now, I know Mary didn't die in Scotland... I will look and see if she returned to Ireland... The curious thing is that Mary was illiterate, and it appears her brothers could read and write, as could their wives...
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Could this be Patrick in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armagh_South_Urban/Castle_Street/324663/
Thanks so much for your help. I even found in the 1901 census that Mary had gone back to Ireland and was living with her brother with a child I had not yet known about :D.
Do you think you have any idea why she babtised this new child with her married name, but on the childs birth cert, she is under her mothers maden name, Grimes? And when the child gets married, she is said to be illegitimate... But on the census when she is six, her mother is not a widow...
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It's possible that Mary's husband (was he still alive when the child was born?) was not the father of the child.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/South_Ward/Castle_Street/1010768/
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I thought if you were married, your child automatically got the name of the father, even if the child was not the fathers?
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Depends on what information was given at time of registration. Actually, I can't, at the moment, see a birth registration under Grimes or Devereux that fits.
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http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?searchType=bas
I thought this one was her... Then when she marries it says she was illegitimate. Still confused, because, as I say, I thought once you were married the child was automatically assumed to be that of the husbands... Plus Mary was not a widow during the census...
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http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?searchType=bas
I thought this one was her...
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