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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: madgarry on Tuesday 27 December 11 18:00 GMT (UK)
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Guys ime stuck with this one, Alfred Weedner born 1881 in Stourbridge we believe, we know he married in 1906 Stourbridge to Nelly Boucher, they had 1 daughter Dorothy emily, in 1911 they are listed as living at 2 cemetery road Lye Stourbridge. Where the problem is we cant find any birth record for Albert or any census info prior to 1911 so we dont know who his parents are or his sibblings, ime hoping someone can help. Garry
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What was his 1911 & 1906 occupations?
What names witness the 1906 marriage?
What if any, is entered as father at 1906?
Pauline
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Was he the railwayman?
B 25 Mar 1881 according to the Employment records..
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Was he the railwayman?
B 25 Mar 1881 according to the Employment records..
We believe that its him
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What was his 1911 & 1906 occupations?
What names witness the 1906 marriage?
What if any, is entered as father at 1906?
Pauline
We dont know as I dont have access to the 1911 census,also dont have the marriage cert, the 1911 info I was told about, but the person new nothing else
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What was his 1911 & 1906 occupations?
What names witness the 1906 marriage?
What if any, is entered as father at 1906?
Pauline
We dont know as I dont have access to the 1911 census,also dont have the marriage cert, the 1911 info I was told about, but the person new nothing else
Labourer (Brickworks) in 1911 apparently
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Can you eliminate the albert Weidner at
RG13/306; Folio: 55; Page: 58 &
RG12/1049; Folio 39; Page 3 ?
I really think you need that marriage entry in full.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXD7-BQK
Also try & be clear if you mean Albert or Alfred; you have used both names.
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1901. Atwood St, Wollescote, Lye, Worcestershire.
Samuel Tittle 63. Widow. Coal miner.
William Taylor 34. Son in law.
Sarah Taylor 27. Dau.
John Taylor 2. Son.
Alfred Weedenr 18. Adopted. Son.
All born Lye.
RG13; Piece: 2755; Folio: 77; Page: 36.
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Can you eliminate the albert Weidner at
RG13/306; Folio: 55; Page: 58 &
RG12/1049; Folio 39; Page 3 ?
I really think you need that marriage entry in full.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXD7-BQK
Also try & be clear if you mean Albert or Alfred; you have used both names.
Typo on my part it is Alfred, he married Nelly Boucher in Stourbridge
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Can you eliminate the albert Weidner at
RG13/306; Folio: 55; Page: 58 &
RG12/1049; Folio 39; Page 3 ?
I really think you need that marriage entry in full.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXD7-BQK
Also try & be clear if you mean Albert or Alfred; you have used both names.
The link is for the correct marriage
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1901. Atwood St, Wollescote, Lye, Worcestershire.
Samuel Tittle 63. Widow. Coal miner.
William Taylor 34. Son in law.
Sarah Taylor 27. Dau.
John Taylor 2. Son.
Alfred Weedenr 18. Adopted. Son.
All born Lye.
RG13; Piece: 2755; Folio: 77; Page: 36.
interesting thanks
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1901. Atwood St, Wollescote, Lye, Worcestershire.
Samuel Tittle 63. Widow. Coal miner.
William Taylor 34. Son in law.
Sarah Taylor 27. Dau.
John Taylor 2. Son.
Alfred Weedenr 18. Adopted. Son.
All born Lye.
RG13; Piece: 2755; Folio: 77; Page: 36.
This looks like the same Samuel in 1891.
1891. Attwood St,
Samuel Lyttell 52.
Eleena Lyttell 50.
Joseph Lyttell 18.
Sarah Lyttell 16.
RG12/2304/102 p 39
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1901. Atwood St, Wollescote, Lye, Worcestershire.
Samuel Tittle 63. Widow. Coal miner.
William Taylor 34. Son in law.
Sarah Taylor 27. Dau.
John Taylor 2. Son.
Alfred Weedenr 18. Adopted. Son.
All born Lye.
RG13; Piece: 2755; Folio: 77; Page: 36.
This looks like the same Samue in 1891.
1891. Attwood St,
Samuel Lyttell 52.
Eleena Lyttell 50.
Joseph Lyttell 18.
Sarah Lyttell 16.
RG12/2304/102 p 39
cheers
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Given the fact that Alfred was adopted by another family and the fairly unusual surname, it may be worth looking at Elizabeth (born c 1865 died 1886) and Henry Weedner (born c 1862 died 1890) both in Stourbridge/Birmingham area as possible parents or at least relatives?
There is a newspaper account from 1886 in relation to Elizabeth's death, which refers to her husband being called Henry (an umberella mender) and also to two young children (although it is not entirely clear whether these were her children or her sister in law's children). If you PM me I can send the newspaper accounts.
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Given the fact that Alfred was adopted by another family and the fairly unusual surname, it may be worth looking at Elizabeth (born c 1865 died 1886) and Henry Weedner (born c 1862 died 1890) both in Stourbridge/Birmingham area as possible parents or at least relatives?
There is a newspaper account from 1886 in relation to Elizabeth's death, which refers to her husband being called Henry (an umberella mender) and also to two young children (although it is not entirely clear whether these were her children or her sister in law's children). If you PM me I can send the newspaper accounts.
We have found out that his father was Henry Weedner, so there is a good chance that its the Henry/Elizabeth youve mentioned, you say it states 2 children I wonder whome the other is, we also need to look into Henry and Elizabeth on census records.
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Given the fact that Alfred was adopted by another family and the fairly unusual surname, it may be worth looking at Elizabeth (born c 1865 died 1886) and Henry Weedner (born c 1862 died 1890) both in Stourbridge/Birmingham area as possible parents or at least relatives?
There is a newspaper account from 1886 in relation to Elizabeth's death, which refers to her husband being called Henry (an umberella mender) and also to two young children (although it is not entirely clear whether these were her children or her sister in law's children). If you PM me I can send the newspaper accounts.
PM sent Purp 72
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Could George be related.
Deaths Mar 1886.
WEEDNER Elizabeth. age 19. Stourbridge. 6c. 91.
Deaths Mar 1886.
WEEDNER George. age 1. Stourbridge. 6c. 98.
Deaths Dec 1890.
Weedner Henry. age 28. Birmingham. 6d. 63.
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Could George be related.
Deaths Mar 1886.
WEEDNER Elizabeth. age 19. Stourbridge. 6c. 91.
Deaths Mar 1886.
WEEDNER George. age 1. Stourbridge. 6c. 98.
Deaths Dec 1890.
Weedner Henry. age 28. Birmingham. 6d. 63.
Cheers, we think that Henry is the father but can find any census info for him either 1871 0r 1881
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There dos'nt seem to be any birth reg's for any of them under Weedner, or anything like it.
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There dos'nt seem to be any birth reg's for any of them under Weedner, or anything like it.
I know, its very odd
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There is one,
Alfred Weadin.
Baptism. 23 Sep 1883.
St. Matthew's, Wolverhampton, Stafford.
Father Henry Weadin.
Mother Elizabeth.
From,
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE
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There is one,
Alfred Weadin.
Baptism. 23 Sep 1883.
St. Matthew's, Wolverhampton, Stafford.
Father Henry Weadin.
Mother Elizabeth.
From,
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE
Possible but wrong spelling
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If you go by wrong spellings in this game you don't get to far, sometimes the names are splelt how they are heard.
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If you go by wrong spellings in this game you don't get to far, sometimes the names are splelt how they are heard.
cheers mate, looks like a poss match, wonder why they waited 2 years to baptise him,also wondering why wolverhampton
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I have baptisms in my history for when they are adults.
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I have baptisms in my history for when they are adults.
oh ok
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Guys ime stuck with this one, Alfred Weedner born 1881 in Stourbridge we believe, we know he married in 1906 Stourbridge to Nelly Boucher, they had 1 daughter Dorothy emily, in 1911 they are listed as living at 2 cemetery road Lye Stourbridge. Where the problem is we cant find any birth record for Albert or any census info prior to 1911 so we dont know who his parents are or his sibblings, ime hoping someone can help. Garry
Revisiting this thread in the hope someone can come up with something
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The birth certificate of the infant who died in 1886 should help with Henry's marriage to Elizabeth and therefore Henry's parents.
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The birth certificate of the infant who died in 1886 should help with Henry's marriage to Elizabeth and therefore Henry's parents.
We havnt found a marriage cert for Henry and Elizabeth(Dont know her last name) or a death cert for the infant or her, as they died in Stourbridge we contacted the town cemetery as they have buriel info for the council run cemeteries nothing at all as to where they are buried either.
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It's nowhere near Stourbridge, but....
Births Dec 1884
WEEDNER George
Greenwich 1d 1026
And for the father...
Births Dec 1862
WEIDNER Henry
Croydon 2a 176
FamilySearch has a birth record for this Henry: born 1 Nov 1862 and christened 13 Nov 1862 at St John the Baptist, Croydon - son of Joseph Weidner and Jane.
Joseph and his wife Jane (née Thynne) are on the 1861 census in Epsom, Surrey with baby Mary Ann as WEIDNER; he married Jane as WEDENER in Kingston on Thames, Surrey in 1859.
Joseph appears to have died in 1865, so if Jane remarried, the children may be under their stepfather's name - I haven't found them so far in 1871/81.
Lots of spelling variations for this surname! Off to walk the dog, and more digging later...
Rambler
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The birth certificate of the infant who died in 1886 should help with Henry's marriage to Elizabeth and therefore Henry's parents.
We havnt found a marriage cert for Henry and Elizabeth(Dont know her last name) or a death cert for the infant or her, as they died in Stourbridge we contacted the town cemetery as they have buriel info for the council run cemeteries nothing at all as to where they are buried either.
Were the references given earlier (dec 2011) for different deaths in Stourbridge?
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West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1906.
WEEDNER Alfred. BOUCHER Nelly. Lye, Christ Church. Dudley Register Office. 011/002/325
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West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1906.
WEEDNER Alfred. BOUCHER Nelly. Lye, Christ Church. Dudley Register Office. 011/002/325
cheers Jim
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The birth certificate of the infant who died in 1886 should help with Henry's marriage to Elizabeth and therefore Henry's parents.
We havnt found a marriage cert for Henry and Elizabeth(Dont know her last name) or a death cert for the infant or her, as they died in Stourbridge we contacted the town cemetery as they have buriel info for the council run cemeteries nothing at all as to where they are buried either.
Were the references given earlier (dec 2011) for different deaths in Stourbridge?
Pauline we have the death references but cant find where buried
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UNLESS you are willing to throw some money at certificates, then you should give up on this.
We've found you marriage and census (for free) and worthwhile certificate references (which will cost)
Looks like all no-cost resources have panned out.
That's just the way it is.
Pauline
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It could be that Henry and Alfred's mother were not married, and Alfred was illigitamate, and his birth was registered under the mothers surname, but he used the fathers surname.
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UNLESS you are willing to throw some money at certificates, then you should give up on this.
We've found you marriage and census (for free) and worthwhile certificate references (which will cost)
Looks like all no-cost resources have panned out.
That's just the way it is.
Pauline
ok cheers
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It could be that Henry and Alfred's mother were not married, and Alfred was illigitamate, and his birth was registered under the mothers surname, but he used the fathers surname.
it is a possibility