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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: jan carmody on Sunday 18 December 11 06:25 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for information about James Milne (1810-1886) who married Elizabeth Yule (1812-1856). They married in 1833 and moved to Australia in 1854 with their family. Jame's parents were William Milne and Anne Mitchell.
Jan.
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1841 census
Dundee, Hospital Park No 7
James Milne, aged 30, a porter with Elizabeth, also 30 plus David, 7, Margaret, 5 and Ann, 3 months
1851 census
Liff and Benvie, 19 Blackness Road
James Mill, aged 41, a general labourer, born Dundee, with Elizabeth, aged 38 born Errol, Perthshire with David, 17, Margaret, 15, Catherine, 6, James, 4 and James' father, David, (?not William as you state?) a mason's labourer, born Glamis in 1788
Have found David Milne on the 1841 census, also in Hospital Park, Dundee, a carter, living alone. I couldn't trace him on the 1861 census.
(This info taken from Ancestry so check originals on Scotland's People to be sure ... sometimes Ancestry transcriptions not the best!)
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Their marriage is indexed on LDS as:
15 June 1833, Dundee, James MILNE and Elizabeth YOULIE
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Thank you so much for your help...
The marriage is the right one and pretty sure 1841 census is too. I was unable to find the 1851 census on Scotland's People but think that is correct too. William was James' father on James' death certificate but as you know that can often be wrong.
James and Elizabeth had six children...David, Margaret, Christina, Ann, Elizabeth and James but only David Margaret and Christina came out to Australia in 1854. I think the other children must have died before they left.
Thanks again,
Jan.
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Re locating the 1851 census entry on SP ... if I search for 'James Mill' aged 41 with second person forename 'David' in Angus there is only one entry that shows ...
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Thank you...I have found it! I got a copy of the original and some things look right and some not. The last name is Mills, not Milne but I wonder if they are interchangable or just a mistake. The children's names are correct but there is a Catherine (born 1845) instead of a Christina...and Christina is my ggg grandmother.
What do you think?
Jan.
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there is a Catherine (born 1845) instead of a Christina
It wouldn't be the first time I've seen Catherine and Christina mixed up.
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Thank you so much for your help...I will have to assume that the 1851 census is correct...very frustrating when you can't actually prove it either way!
Thanks again,
Jan.
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See my comments on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,569900.0.html about the variation in surname.
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Thank you 'scotmum'...
That makes a lot more sense about the Mills/Milne names.
Jan.
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Dear Jan,
I recently did the Yule family tree for a friend of mine and they were from Errol and Inchure. If you find out any more about Elizabeth's family (eg parents) I might be able to tell if she was from the branch I was researching.
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Elizabeth Yule was born in Eroll, Perthshire in May 1812 to William Yule and Elizabeth Robertson...
William Yule was a servant to a farmer, Andrew Archer...
That's about all I know.
Jan.
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Hello
My grandmother was Elizabeth Yule born Inchture 1852 her parents were William Yule & Catherine Lamont, William Yules parents were William Yule & Elizabeth Robertson. Is this the same family?
Jen.
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Hi Jen,
I am pretty sure they are the same family. I think William Yule (Catherine Lamont's husband) is the brother of Elizabeth Yule (my 3rd great grandmother). Do you have much information about William and Elizabeth's parents (William Yule and Elizabeth Robertson)?
Looking forward to hearing from you...
Jan.
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Hello Jan
I do not know anything about William Yule & Elizabeth Robertson I only know of them because it was on Williams death certificate,I can't even find a marriage certificate for Elizabeth Robertson & William Yule, Do you know? I am sure I have spoken to you on another website its lovely to speak to you on Rootschat. You were talking about Elizabeth Yule born 1851 Inchture, she married my Grandfather James Hodge, she died 27 September 1936 and is buried in Balgay Cemetery Dundee.
I seem to havea wee bit more information than I thought, I have Elizabeth Robertson William Yule married 30 May 1802 at Longforgan, I have some children David born 4 Feb.1803 James born 1805 Jean 1807, Elizabeth and a William but I do not have dates, do you have this? I am hoping this is of help to you I will be going to do more research in May so maybe I can get something else, the name Milne is ringing a bell but can't quite put my finger on it. Hope to hear from you soon,
Jen.
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Hi Jen,
I unfortunately don't have much information about William Yule and Elizabeth Robertson either. I do have a copy of their marriage which was on the 30th May 1802 in Longforgon, Perthshire, Scotland, as you said. I also have Elizabeth Yule born 3 May 1812 in Errol, Perthshire. I'll look to see what else I have but don't think it is much more.
Cheers,
Jan
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Hello Jan
I seemed to have missed something from your message, I have found a wee bit am unsure its your family David Milne son of James Milne and Elizabeth yule was born 16 July 1834 died Oct.3 1930 Cohuna,Victorian,Australia, He married 11 June 1868 in Castlemaine, Victoria to Annie Duff.
They had 9 children,is this the right family? You said in your last posting that you had Elizabeth&William Yule marriage certificate you know I have been looking for that Can you tell me where you got it? I have been searching S.P. to no avail. Can you let me know if this is the Yule/Milne family you are looking for.
Thankyou
Jen.
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Hi Jen,
I tried to attach the marriage certificate but was unable to send it. :(
I will send you a private message with my email address and if you are happy to email me your address, I will send it to you.
This is definitely the right family...the David Milne that you mentioned is my 2nd great grandmother's brother. Her name was Christina Milne and she was the youngest child of James Milne and Elizabeth Yule. My mum has memories of both David and Christina as they both lived into their nineties!
It would be lovely to swap more information too.
Jan.