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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Dannemois on Thursday 15 December 11 19:05 GMT (UK)
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On the 1871 census for Caerphilly residing in Odd Fellows Row were:
Watkin Watkins, HD, M, 25, coalminer, Mwynyddyslwyn, Mon
Margaret, wife, M, 23, Caerphilly, Glam
Margaret Ann, daug, 4, Caerphilly
John William, son, 2, Caerphilly
Edmund Watkins, father, wid, 56, coalminer, Blaina, Mon
Margaret the wife died Dec 21, 1873, age 25 and she is buried in St Martin’s Churchyard, Caerphilly. Buried in the same grave is my wife’s grandmother, who was the niece of Margaret Watkins nee Davies.
Wishing to learn more of Watkin Watkins I typed his details in the 1881 search page and waited in anticipation for the result, nothing, for whatever reason I failed to find him?
Any suggestions appreciated
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Wishing to learn more of Watkin Watkins I typed his details in the 1881 search page and waited in anticipation for the result, nothing, for whatever reason I failed to find him?
Have you tried searching using the childrens details
Have you checked freebmd for a possible remarriage
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Hi Carole
Yes I tried searching using the childrens details, still no result. I haven't tried looking for a marriage at this stage, being male there would be no name change. :D
Regards, Roy
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Leaving the 1881 for the moment - have you tried finding him on the 1891
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father Edmund looks to be with Watkin's sister
Caerphilly RG11/5293 folio 21 pg 42
Margaret Williams head widow 37 confectioner b. Mon, Mynyddyslwyn
John son 13 b. Caerphilly
Edmund Watkin father widower 67 coal miner b. Mon, Pontypool
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sorry, left out this bit
1851 Cwmnantyrodyn, Mynyddyslwyn HO107/2453 folio 304 pg 29
Sarah Watkins head widow 72 coalminer's widow b. Shropshire
Edmund son widower 34 collier b. Blaenafon
Margaret grand dau 8 b. Mynyddyslwyn
Watkin grandson 6 b. Mynyddyslwyn
John grandson 4 b. Mynyddyslwyn
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Hi Carole
I haven't looked further than the 1881 just yet as I have the 1881 census discs at home. I intend visiting our local library tomorrow where I can use Ancestry and FYP.
Leaving the 1881 for the moment - have you tried finding him on the 1891
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Thanks Osprey
Something to work with.
Regards R
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Hi
I have had no luck finding Watkin Watkins on the 1881, searches made for all individually and still no result. His wife Margaret died December 21st 1873 aged 25 years.
Can someone please help locate him or his children on the 1881 or even the 1891 and free me from this nightmare.
1871 Census: @ Oddfellows Row, Caerphilly, Glamorgan
Watkin Watkins Head, 25, Coalminer, Mynyddyslwyn MON
Margaret, wife, 23, Caerphilly, GLA
Margaret Ann, daug, 04, Caerphilly, GLA
John William, son, 02, Caerphilly, GLA
Edmund Watkins, father, Wid, 56, Coalminer, Blaina, MON
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Hi there. This is my wife's family. Watkin Watkins was in Mineral Ridge, Ohio, USA by 1881. his father joined him soon after. Both are buried side by side in Kerr Cemetery in Mineral Ridge. Watkin is my wife's great great grandfather through his second wife Mary Jones whom he married in 1876. I have a great deal more detail on this family.
Edmond, Watkin's father, was the son of Watkin Watkins and Sarah Hodges Watkins. Watkin died soon after Ed's birth in a mining accident in Blaenafon in Llanover. 24 Aug 1815.
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Watkin's brother John E. Watkins also settled here in Ohio...about 20 miles from Watkin. Watkin came over in 1880...possibly on the Brittanic. We know he returned to Wales at least once, in 1913, to investigate a claim that he had a large fortune coming to him from an uncle who owned hotels in Japan. He never got the money...estimated to be over 30 million dollars in a 1913 news article.
His father Edmond Watkins died 20 Aug 1885 in Mineral Ridge. John E. (Edmond's son, Watkin's brother) was born 13 Nov. 1846 in Wales and died 26 Jun 1916 in Ohio.
I don't know what became of the other sibling, sister Margaret, born ca. 1843 and had a son John Williams born ca 1868 in Caerphilly.
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Hi
Just to say I have received your message which is great news. I have been in hospital for the past week and today is my first day of being up and about; I will write later but I wanted to say Hello and thanks for making contact.
Roy
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Hello
Fortunately some years back I sketched the gravestone which marked the plot where my wife’s grandmother was buried. Not long after, we found the stone had been knocked over and shattered into several pieces. In the ensuing years the stone and the lettering has deteriorated so badly it has become illegible.
The top half of the inscription is in the Welsh language which translates as follows:
In Memory of, Margaret cherished wife of Watkin Watkins, Caerphilly, died on December 21st 1873 age 25 years old. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lavinia Harriet Morris is my wife’s grandmother, Margaret was her mother’s sister, and died before Lavinia was born.
The sculptor W Davies named on the stone is William Davies, Margaret’s sibling. The Davies family were an old Caerphilly family of sculptors and monumental architects, generations of granite, stone and marble workers who had established the family business over 100 years to become by the 1920s the oldest established business of its kind in South Wales or the West of England.
Born in 1847, Margaret was the third of six children, Harriet (1843), William (1845), Margaret (1847), John (1851), Mary Ann (1853) and Elizabeth (christened 1866), to parents Eleazar Davies and Mary Ann Davies nee John. Margaret’s sister Mary Ann (1853) is my wife’s great grandmother; she married Harry Burcher, a tailor by profession, on 23 June 1877. They had five children; the first born was named Lavinia Harriet Burcher (my wife’s grandmother).
Regards for now, Roy
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Hi
I have had no luck finding Watkin Watkins on the 1881, searches made for all individually and still no result. His wife Margaret died December 21st 1873 aged 25 years.
Can someone please help locate him or his children on the 1881 or even the 1891 and free me from this nightmare.
1871 Census: @ Oddfellows Row, Caerphilly, Glamorgan
Watkin Watkins Head, 25, Coalminer, Mynyddyslwyn MON
Margaret, wife, 23, Caerphilly, GLA
Margaret Ann, daug, 04, Caerphilly, GLA
John William, son, 02, Caerphilly, GLA
Edmund Watkins, father, Wid, 56, Coalminer, Blaina, MON
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Hi,
Watkin Watkins was my Great Great Grandfather. His daughter Elizabeth Kate (Lizzie) Watkins-Farr was my Great Grandmother. Let me know if you have any questions. Maybe we can share information!
Carolyn
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Hello Carolyn
Sorry for the tardy reply but for whatever reason it is only now I am picking up your message of March 14. As you may have gathered from the topic I have been researching my wife's side of the family and her grandmother Lavinia Harriet was buried in the same plot as her aunt Margaret, wife of Watkin Watkins. For many years my wife would visit the grave and on one occassion I made a sketch of the stone and its details. Sadly some years later the gravestone toppled over and broke and it is no longer legible. If there is anything you can add to the family story I would be pleased to hear from you and likewise I will be pleased to help you with any queries.
regards, Roy