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Richard Collier married Catherine (Kate) Perrot from Kilkenny about 1892.
They lived in Ballinkillen, Bagenalstown where they had a large family.
Would love to hear from anyone with information. Thanks, Bill
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see related thread : Perrot (or similar spelling) (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,571087.msg4233829.html#msg4233829)
(Co. Kilkenny)
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Did you ever get their marriage cert to find out Catherine's father's name ?
There was a Catherine Perrott born 7th March 1868 in County Laois to a Thomas Perrott and Mary Dwyer - Some of Laois' borders touch Kilkenny !
Just a possibility !
Tara
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Thanks for that. No I haven't yet got their marriage certificate but I will certainly have a look at this new information. It brings into play a possible new location, again thanks a million.
Bill
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Hi
www.familysearch.org lists Kate Perrott marrying Richard Collier in Kilkenny in the July-Sept quarter of 1892. Film No 101256, Vol 3, Page 319.
Cheers
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Richard Collier married Catherine (Kate) Perrot from Kilkenny about 1892.
They lived in Ballinkillen, Bagenalstown where they had a large family.
Would love to hear from anyone with information. Thanks, Bill
Hi Bill
I am a great grandson of the Richard and Catherine you are talking about. James (Sonny) was their youngest son and was my grandfather. They had about 12 kids in all that lived and she had about another 6 that either died as babies or miscarried. I am trying to trace the family tree as well. Catherine was from Gowran and her fathers name was Martin and her mother was Mary Byrne. She also had a brother John( Jack) who was supposed to be a good amateur boxer so my grandfather told me. She had 3 sisters Margarert, Bridget and Hannah. I have more information but I have to dig it out. Richard and Catherine had a son called Bill who had a daughter Brigid who went to England. Is it from this line you come from.
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Richard Collier married Catherine (Kate) Perrot from Kilkenny about 1892.
They lived in Ballinkillen, Bagenalstown where they had a large family.
Would love to hear from anyone with information. Thanks, Bill
Hi Bill
I am a great grandson of the Richard and Catherine you are talking about. James (Sonny) was their youngest son and was my grandfather. They had about 12 kids in all that lived and she had about another 6 that either died as babies or miscarried. I am trying to trace the family tree as well. Catherine was from Gowran and her fathers name was Martin and her mother was Mary Byrne. She also had a brother John( Jack) who was supposed to be a good amateur boxer so my grandfather told me. She had 3 sisters Margarert, Bridget and Hannah. I have more information but I have to dig it out. Richard and Catherine had a son called Bill who had a daughter Brigid who went to England. Is it from this line you come from.
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Hi rajadar
Thanks for your reply and we do appear to be connected
My mother Mary was born in 1912 or 1913 and was I believe Sonny's sister. I met a Sonny Collier on many occasions in the early 50's when brought to Bagenalstown as a child on holidays. It was either Sonny or Willie who often picked us up at the station in an old van with only two seats in the front. Two of us, myself and Dad would travel in the back at high speed. Great fun for me!
I think either Sonny or Willie went to Manchester to live.
Years ago I also met a couple from Bagenalstown named Kavanagh who knew the family. They apparently lived quite close.
This is good news and I'd love to hear from you again. we both have some interesting material.
Regards
Bill
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Hi Bill,
Yes I can imagine how fun it must have been for you visiting Bagenalstown in your youth as both sonny (my grandfather) and William, we knew him as Bill were both very colourful characters. So our relationship seems to be that you and my father are first cousins that would make us first cousins once removed. I must tell my father I got in touch with you. I myself don't remember your mother and I never met her as I was only born in 1969 but I heard my grandfather talk about her as did my father.
My grandfather did go to England for a while but the family stayed in Ballinkillin and he later returned as was common back in those years to go to England in search of work.
My father's name is Richard or Roly as he is more commonly known. You still have cousins living in Ballinkillen. There is Tom and Jim both sons of Tom your mothers brother. I have only recently been researching the family tree and I have recently found out quite a bit about them. Let me know what you would like to know and I will see if I can fill you in. You might have some information that I might not have too.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
Incidently my real name is James Collier named after my grandfather.
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Hello and my eyes have bugged out, I never thought I'd find my Irish family on line!
kate and Richard were my grandfather Robert Francis Collier's (born in Ballinkillen in December, 1897) parents. My grandad moved to London, along with his brother Richard, in the late teens, married an Anglo-Irish woman - Daisy - and they had 8 children. The youngest was my mum, Mavoureen Collier. My grandfather retired from the Merchant marine after the war and became an architect (practicing in Surrey and London) and died in Croydon in 1974.
Radjar, if you have other information, I would love to know more about our family! Just what you and Bill have discussed has been a real eye opener. In the Perrott area, there are links to Kate and Richard in the 1901 and 1911 Irish census. Your grandfather is Richard? His name is on my grandfather and grandmother's marriage license - he was a witness. I would love to know more about him!
And we have cousins still in Ballinkillen?? I have not found anything about Colliers still living there - another name?
Anything you can share, yes please!
Aine'
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Hi Aine,
Its always good to hear from a long lost relative. Yes I can tell you alot about your family and about those that are still in Ballinkillen. My grandfather was James the youngest of the family and his son Richard is my father. My grandfather was not on the census as he was not born at the time. I can tell you loads but I have not formulated everything I have into a family tree yet. I only started it the other night. Richard and Kate had 10 living children Thomas, Robert, Richard, John, Catherine, Anne, Elizabeth, William, Mary and James. Thomas had a large family in Ballinkillen two of which are still living there. Most of Kate and Richards family were in England at some time some stayed and some came home. If you want to email me on * I can tell you more.
Talk again soon
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Hi James, thanks so much for the response! This is just so exciting, I had no idea there were so many of us! You kindly provided an email address, but the system deleted it because of spam issues (is the bright blue explanation). That message suggested using private messaging, but mine is not working because I have to have posted at least three messages for that facility to work (good grief!). So, forgive me, I'm going to send you another message, in hopes that will make it possible. then we can exchange emails. No attachments, etc., are possible with the pm's, so emails are the only way to exchange documents, etc.
A bit fiddly in other words, but i won't complain :)
Aine'
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Hello, I hope the three is lucky! AC
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I am the Nephew of Bob Collier. In 1957 I moved to England from Ballinkillen as a 18 year old boy where I lived with your Grandfather (my uncle Bob) for 2 years. My Father was Bob's Brother Thomas.
I have extensive knowledge of our mutual relatives still living in Ballinkillen and indeed the Collier family's ancestry reaching back before the Irish famine (courtesy of Jack Collier - another of your grandfather's Brothers)
These days we live in Birmingham Uk and our strain of the Collier family continues and thrives ( I'm a Father of 4 adult children and Grandfather of 4 now!)
We would enjoy hearing from a (not so) distant family member and telling you more about our shared ancestry.
Best Wishes
John Collier
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John, how exciting!!! Jimmy Collier and Bill Collier Davis and I have been communicating now for months, Bill and I have met and Bill and Jimmy are now meeting up in Kilkenny today through friday. This is just so wonderful. I@m in Dorset and off to Ireland to meet the family who are still in Ballinkillen and Thomastown next month. Jimmy and Bill will have read your message soon, I'm sure, but I'll copy and paste it to b e sure they can see it before Bill leave Ireland on Friday. Please get in touch, we are hoping, beyond getting to know one another, is to create a family network and perhaps arrange family reunions. All the best, Aine' (send me a private message and I'll send you my email address! )
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Headstones in Lorum churchyard Ballinkillin;
Alice Collier; (nee Corcoran) Ballinkillin
2/3/1984 (69)
sister-in-law-Annie Collier
28/5/1982 (78)
hus-Jack (Sonny);
10/10/1989 (72)
son-Jimmy;
28/11/1994 (49)
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Thomas Collier; Ballinkillin
3/9/1971 (77)
wife-Christina;
24/6/1988 (83)
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Catherine Collier; Ballinkillin
22/9/1952 (84)
hus-Richard;
16/3/1937 (78)
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Jack
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Thanks for that Jack
I did know about them as Alice and Sonny were my
gran and grandad and Jimmy was my uncle. If you come across any others though especially in the Myshall area who died in the 19th century please let me know. Thanks
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Adelaide Church of the Redeemer Myshall
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I know these are not RC, but keeping the name Collier, they might be of use to other users.
---In memory of sons & dtrs of John Collier who died 23/12/1886 (72)
wife-Anne; 3/3/1898 (77)
children;
Samuel James Collier; 22/10/1845 (14 mts)
Maryanne Collier; 21/7/1864 (2)
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erected by William Collier; Ullardmore in memory of
wife-Anne; 19/11/1896 (81)
above-William; 17/2/1903 (87)
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Jack
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Slaters Directory 1881;
Thomas Collier; farmer, Bagnalstown (Nurney Division)
Abel Collier; farmer, Bagnalstown
George Collier; Cloydagh;
Milford Co-operative Dairy Society Ltd. Dairymen
Geore Collier-Manager
William Collier; farmer, Myshall
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Court records (all Myshall)
Robert Collier; 1891
Richard Collier; 1892
William Collier; 1893
Robert Collier; 1897-1901
Robert C Collier; 1860
Abel Collier; 1862
Peter Collier; 1862
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Landed Estate Court Rentals;
George Collier; 1852, East-West Boggin
John Collier; 1853
Samuel Collier; 1817-1983 Ullard Ullardmore
Thomas Collier; 1853-1860
William Collier; 1853 Ullard Ullardmore
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Jack
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Hi
I'm new to the site and wondering if any of the relatives of Richard and Kate Collier (nee Perrot) are still active. They are my great grandparents, Robert (Bob) Collier being my grandfather. Beth
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Welcome to RootsChat, Beth :)
......wondering if any of the relatives of Richard and Kate Collier (nee Perrot) are still active. They are my great grandparents, Robert (Bob) Collier being my grandfather.
Unfortunately Bills (the OP) hasn't been active on RootsChat since January 2014 so you may not get a response. If his/her email is still current then he/she will get a notification of your post, and will hopefully respond to your post.
In the meantime (and you may already have this information), here are some links for others-
Marriage of Richard Collier and Kate Perrott on 14th July 1892 at Gowran RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10644/5878249.pdf
1901 census
House 12 in Ballinkillen (Sliguff, Carlow)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Sliguff/Ballinkillen/1039992/
Three further children born up to 1908.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rhz/
KG
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1911 census
House 8 in Ballinkillen (Sliguff, Carlow).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Sliguff/Ballinkillen/310222/
Ballinkillin townland
In the Electoral Division of Sliguff, in Civil Parish of Lorum.
https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/idrone-east/lorum/sliguff/ballinkillin/
OpenStreetMap shows it as being east of Goresbridge on the Carlow/Kilkenny border.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2199612#map=14/52.6430/-6.9555
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Hi Beth, I'm Jimmy Collier. I am a great grandson of Richard and Kate. I am a grandson of James(Sonny) Collier youngest son of Richard and Kate and Bob's brother. My father was Richard.
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I am a great grandson of Richard and Kate. I am a grandson of James(Sonny) Collier youngest son of Richard and Kate...............
For others reading and who might want to help, here's the birth record for James Collier.
Born 1st August 1917 at Ballykillin. MMN written as Perrett
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01303/1539032.pdf
This presumably was your grandfather's marriage.
To Alice Corcoran on 1st June 1939 at Bagenalstown RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08871/5208336.pdf
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Yes that's right. Have you been in touch with Anne Morris Collier. She has a family tree done up on Ancesrty. She was a granddaughter of Bob too so would be your cousin.
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Yes that's right. Have you been in touch with Anne Morris Collier. She has a family tree done up on Ancesrty. She was a granddaughter of Bob too so would be your cousin.
If this reply is directed at Elizabeth Mary C, she was last online here today at 00:51 BST (UK), but she will hopefully reply to your post.
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Hi Jimmy
Thnak you so much for responding.
I am struggling to understand how this system works but I have responded to you on a different thread! I said in my reply that I haven't had contact with any of the Collier family other than my grandmother and mother. My grandmother was Bob's second wife (following the death of his first wife Daisy) and they just had 1 child together my mother. They parted in the 1940s so I have never had contact with my mother's half sisters - or their families. Its odd such a huge family and yet our part is tiny. As someone joked at my wedding, if the reception was my family only, I could have held it in a telephone box!!
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Hi Beth.
Ann and myself was researching our family and it was through this forum that we met. She is a daughter of Mauvereen who was Bob's youngest daughter from his first marriage and we actually met a few times here in Ireland. I brought her up to Ballinkillen to the old homestead. Ther is no one living there now but there is another grandson of Richard and Kate living nearby.. Bill the original starter of this thread also came over to Ireland and I met him. He was the son of Bob's sister Elizabeth. That's been a common name down through the generations of Colliers. My personal email is removed is you want to email me or ask any questions I would be glad to answer. Where are you living.
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The following is the marriage date of Thomas Collier and Margaret Tracey, 7 January, 1846; and the the rest are baptisms of their children; 12 Mar., 1843 (illigt); 20 Jun., 1847; 14 Jul., 1850; 3x? May, 1852; 27 Aug., 1854; and 23 Mar., 1857. The sacraments were all taken in Ballinkillen, Lorum. These primary sources can be viewed on the NLI Catholic Parish Registers for Dunleckney Catholic Parish. I stopped transcribing after 1857 because the registers were unreadable, i.e., there may be more children.
There is also a marriage entry on 30 October, 1830 for Thomas Moore and Margaret Collier in Kilgraney. Kilgraney is in Lorum Civil Parish,not unlike Ballinkllin
I have no doubt that these are your peeps.
You can find these entries at Carlow IGP, Dunleckney Baptism Registers. The marriage register can be accessed at the NLI Catholic Registers, Dunleckney
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You can find these entries at Carlow IGP, Dunleckney Baptism Registers. The marriage register can be accessed at the NLI Catholic Registers, Dunleckney
The links-
Dunleckney Baptism Records
http://www.igp-web.com/Carlow/Dunleckney_Baptism_index.htm
Dunleckney, Diocese of Kildare and Leighlin, Co. Carlow
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0703