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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Sani on Friday 09 December 11 00:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi All I am looking for one Henry Prowse who married Eva Bailey in Talbot. My grandfather was Henry Richard Prowse who marr Gladys Ross, so its not him, but his brother John marr Lydia Bailey. It is said that Lydia came from Adelaide as there is a few Bailey relatives living there but no word on Henry and Eva who would have marr between 1900 and 1920. Hoping someone can help
Val
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I cannot see the marriage of HENRY PROWSE to EVA BAILEY in TALBOT on the VIc records from 1900 to 1920
Here are LYDIA's details for your interest.
marriage-
PROWSE Jno Chas
To BAILEY Lydia Ellen
Year 1920
Reg. Number 12843
death-
PROWSE Lydia Ellen
Father Bailey John Black
Mother Lydia Cath HOUSE
Death Place TALBOT
Age 53
Year 1941
Reg Number 22197
Sue
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Sani,
Perhaps you could explain where the HENRY you are seeking fits in with the other 2 man you mention.
The death of JOHN CHARLES PROWSE who married LYDIA shows this way on the Vic index
PROWSE John Charles
Father William
Mother Marcon Sara HARRISON
Death Place: GEEL
Age 86
Age Code:
Year1967
Reg Number 17703
The death of HENRY RICHARD PROWSE
PROWSE Henry Richard
Father William John
Mother Sarah Jane HARRISON
Death Place HEAL
Age 83
Year 1959
Reg Number 27845
There are also deaths of women who appear to be their sisters.
HENRY RICHARD did marry GLADYS MARGARET ROSS and one of their children was a HENRY PROWSE
PROWSE Hy
Father Hy Richd
Mother Gladys Margt ROSS
Birth Place TALBOT
Year 1908
Reg. Number 7257
If this is the man you are seeking, his marriage would have been much later than the time frame you give though it still does not show up to my eyes.
Sue
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Link to previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,524502.0.html
Debra :D
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OK. I have just revised the previous thread (thanks DEBRA) to which JANET666 and I contributed last year.
I feel quite confused by your request at this point and will be best to leave the research to others I think.
Henry and Eva who would have marr between 1900 and 1920. Hoping someone can help SANI
Why would you think a man born in 1908 would marry between 1900 and 1920?
Sue
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Sorry I am probably not explaining myself too well. Lets see if I can clarify myself a bit.
There appears to be two Henry Prowse' and I am trying to fit them together if possible. My grand-parents were Henry Richard Prowse and Gladys Margaret Ross married in 1905 and were the parents of Henry Prowse born 1908( he married Alice Vale in the 1940's) My grandfather's brother John Charles Prowse marr Lydia Ellen Bailey in 1920 ( she was born 1888) We know her sister was Eva Bailey whom we think married the other Henry Prowse and they both would have been born in the 1880's - 90's. As far as we can tell, the three couples were married in Talbot and were very friendly and attended family functions together.
If I try to go further into the tree, I'll end up confusing you more. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to do.
Val
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Hi Val,
Information gathered in the previous thread shows that there is no record of Lydia having a sister named Eva. Her cousins were Eva and Henry BAILEY (brother and sister) who show on electoral rolls as living together at Talbot. Eva never married and died in 1970. There is also no record of an Eva BAILEY marrying a Henry PROWSE.
Have you asked surviving family what they know about Lydia's cousins Henry and Eva? Lydia appears to have been close to them and I think you need to clarify whether or not your family have confused the relationships.
Debra :D
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Hi Debra It was Lydia's grand-daughter who gave me the info and I tried to help her but got so confused that it drove me to distraction. That's why I thought to seek help in the hope that a new contact could be found, as it doesn't look like I'm going to get anywhere with the records. I might just have to forget about them. Thank you all for trying to help me.
Val
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1909 Electrol Role has these Prowses in Talbot
Prowse Frederick William Miner Victoria Laanecoorie Talbot
Prowse Henry Richard Miner Victoria Laanecoorie Talbot
Prowse James Robert Victoria Laanecoorie Talbot
Prowse John Charles Miner Victoria Laanecoorie Talbot
Prowse Sarah Jane Home Duties Victoria Laanecoorie Talbot
All at Nuggety Gully
1924
Prowse Arthur Talbot Miner Victoria Corangamite Talbot Camp St
Prowse James Robert Farmer Victoria Corangamite Talbot Clunes Rd
Prowse Jean Robinson Home Duties Victoria Corangamite Talbot Clunes Rd
Prowse Sarah Jane Home Duties Victoria Corangamite Talbot Camp St
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Sani,
There is this family - I wonder if the surnames have been mixed up.
There is this family also at Nuggerty Gully in 1914
BAILEY Eva May, Home Duties
BAILEY Henry, Woodcutter
BAILEY Henry Jnr, Woodcutter
BAILEY Lydia Ellen, Homse Duties
Eva, Henry and Henry jnr are still there in 1919
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Hi tedscout,
Siblings Henry and Eva BAILEY lived together their whole lives at Talbot until Henry's death in 1966. Eva continued to live at Railway Street, Talbot until her death in 1970.
We have gone through all of this in a previous post. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,524502.0.html
Debra :D
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Thanks Debra,
I figured that one out after I posted it. I'm beginning to think there wasn't an Eva Bailley marrying a Henry Prowse.
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I am wondering if Sani read all the her previous threads.
There was no response to the last lot of info that was posted.
I thought we had cleared up the confusion.
Cheers
Cando
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You usually do clear up confusion Cando.
I hope Sani comes back and reads all this.
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Likewise ;D
Sue
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Hi tedscout Re 1909 Role. Sarah Jane Prowse (nee Harrison) was the mother of Frederick,Henry (my grandfather)James and John. She had 12 children altogether. Husband William John is buried at Amhurst cemetery, Talbot. Sarah came down to Geelong where 6 of her children lived and is buried in Geelong.
Re 1924 Role. John married Lydia Ellen Bailey 1920 and moved to Geelong. Arthur is another son and Jean Robinson is her daughter-in-law (wife of James Robert).
Lydia Bailey was b 1888 possibly in Adelaide SA as the family apparently lived there for some time and some still do.
The family seem to think Eva May married another Henry Prowse, but from what I gather now, she never married. and where we thought she was a sister to Lydia, now appears she was a cousin. It was this Henry Prowse that I was trying to trace but with no luck I'm afraid.
But thanks to all who have tried to help me Val
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Lydia Bailey was b 1888 possibly in Adelaide SA as the family apparently lived there for some time and some still do.
This birth has already been given to you on another thread.
BAILEY Lydia Ellen
Father John Mother Lydia Catherine HOUSE
At Brunswick 1888 Reg#930
Have you actually read all the linked thread as you haven't responded to the last post.
Cando
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My appologies and Thanks to everyone who has tried to help me find this elusive Henry Prowse as the family are sure he is part of my family. I put this up again in hope that someone new may see it and be able to help. I did not intend to cause any ill feelings. I will now put Henry into my file with other family stories that I can't verify
Thanks Again to all who tried to help
Val
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Val there are no ill feelings..... I can only speak for myself and I am at a loss to understand why the information posted is not clear to you. There is no Henry PROWSE married to an Eva May BAILEY. The surnames in the family stories appear to be incorrect.
We have always been told that Eva marr a Henry Prowse but could never fit him into our family . They were living in Talbot around 1900 - 1910 and that Eva was a sister to Lydia and Agnes who lived in Adelaide until her death. Some of Lydia and John Prowse's family would go over to her for holidays.
[b]Henry Prowse b 1908 was my mothers brother and he marr Ruby Alice Vale from Diamond Creek , Victoria.[/b] They Lived in Portland , Camperdown and again in Portland where they died 6 weeks apart in the 1980's. Thank you all for your trouble although it has made more confusion than answers. I think I'll ask around the family again and see if anyone can tell me more or offer more sugestions
Val
Firstly your uncle Henry changed his name to Harry
PROWSE Harry
VALE Ruby Alice
1937 Reg#4297
He is listed on all the electoral rolls 1937 to 1977 as Harry with Ruby Alice.
WW2 Service Summary for Harry PROWSE born 1908 Talbot NOK Ruby
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=589519
The death notice for Lydia mentioned 'cousins of Henry and Eva' - births of cousins
Births to Henry BAILEY and Charlotte Ann Maria HOUSE
BAILEY Henry 1887 at Amherst Reg#24319
BAILEY William Albion at Talbot Reg#25159 Died 1899 10 years at Talbot Reg#16269
BAILEY Eva May 1893 at Talbot Reg#17357
BAILEY Robert 1890 at Talbot-Amherst Reg#17929 Died 2 months 1890 at Talbot N Reg#14063
Births to John Black BAILEY and Lydia Catherine HOUSE
BAILEY Agnes Rosina at Brunswick 1886 Reg#24198 Died aged 9 weeks Brunswick Reg#11880
BAILEY Lydia Ellen 1888 at Brunswick Reg#930
BAILEY Charlotte 1891 at Talbot-Amherst Reg#28089 Died 1892 10 months at Talbot Reg#8405
The family seem to think Eva May married another Henry Prowse,
Electoral rolls show Eva May BAILEY living at Talbot with her father Henry and brother Henry.
Deaths for siblings and cousins of Lydia
BAILEY Henry
Father Henry Mother Charlotte Ann HOUSE
At Maryborough 78 years 1966 Reg#15242
Buried at Amherst/Talbot Cemetery
BAILEY Henry 78 years Died 22 Jul 1966
BAILEY Eva May
Father Henry Mother Charlotte HOUSE
At Maryborough 77 years 1970 Reg#17630
Buried at Amherst/Talbot Cemetery
BAILEY Eva May years Died 31 Jul 1970
A little more electoral roll info that has become available online since your first request.
Australian Electoral Roll
1963
BAILEY Eva May Railway Terrace Talbot HD
BAILEY Henry Railway Terrace Talbot No occupation
1968
BAILEY Eva May Railway Terrace Talbot HD
Family stories are invaluable but unfortunately they are often inaccurate. We have proven some of the information given you to be incorrect.
There is no Henry PROWSE married to an Eva May BAILEY. Can the family tell you who are the parents of this mysterious Henry PROWSE? I really think they have confused the surnames of Eva May and Henry BAILEY, cousins of Lydia PROWSE, nee BAILEY, living at Talbot in the period you mention.
Cheers
Cando
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Henry Prowse b 1908 was my mothers brother and he marr Ruby Alice Vale from Diamond Creek , Victoria.[/b] They Lived in Portland , Camperdown and again in Portland where they died 6 weeks apart in the 1980's
Harry and Ruby died fifteen days apart not six weeks.
PROWSE Ruby Alice
Funeral Notice
Died 15 Jun 1988 74 years
Portland Cemetery - Roman Catholic
Wife of Harry
PROWSE Harry
Funeral notice
Died 30 Jun 1988 80 years Portland Cemetery - Church of England
Husband of Ruby.
Cheers
Cando