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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: DISEDBERGH on Wednesday 07 December 11 06:29 GMT (UK)
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hoping to organise meetup of descendants of Mark and Hannah NEWTON at albertlanders reunion near Warkworth New Zealand Easter 2012 April 6-8 - see www.albertland.co.nz
if you are interested get in touch with me via PM ASAP as there is a picnic organised seperate to the big "official"events
Descendants OF MARK NEWTON AND HANNAH BROWN
1 ROSA EMILY B1865 M SOLOMON FINEY
–children
– HILDA GERTRUDE b1892m Willie Thomas Sigley 1913, JOHN b 1893 m elsie fredrica cordes 1919,GEORGE EDMOND B 16/3/1895 m Nellie”Natalie phoebe murray 1922 Sydney nsw, HANNAH RUTH B 1896((m (m malcolm nicol mccready 1918,m George Bernard 1930 NSW )EDNA TAMAR b1898 m George Albert Collett 1922, RHODA ELLEN B 1889, EVA JANE B1886 (m thomas quelch 1906)WILLIAM HECTOR B 1902 LILIAN MADELINE B1900(m james marshall 1922)
2 CHARLOTTE B1867 D1884
3 ELLEN KEZIAH B1868 M THOMAS HARRISON 1886
-children
-THOMAS CYRIL B1900 (m emily mary mavis henry1926) SARAH KATHLEEN B1902 ELSIE ELLEN B 1895 (m edwin james griffiths 1918) IVAN HENRY B 1893 (m margaret orr hanson 1919)
4 THELMA MAY B 1903(m oscar albert millar 1926)
5 ARTHUR JOHN b1870 d1944 Hamilton m1897 ada violet lye
children
OLIVE MAUD b 1898 m alphonsus frederick rush 1923, HANNAH
GWENDOLINE b 1901 ?m henry allen thornton 1915, ARTHUR JOHN
b1903 ?m 1925 amy alexander grant
6 EVA NEWTON b1875 m william henry leighton
Children
WILFRED MILES b 1893 GORDON CECIL b1894 m alice frances grant 1918
STANLEY HERBERT b1895 m ivy elizaeth burchmore 1920 COLIN MARK
b1897 m florence may lewis 1920 EVA KATHLEEN b 1896 m Edwin leonard
bilkie 1916 GLADYS MURIEL b 1900 m Percival Reginald Osbourne 1924
7 HERCULES b1879 - m Cecilia Elizabeth ENGLAND 1899
-children
- RICHARD ALEXANDER B 1900 (m hazel may grace 1920) DORIS CECILIA B1904(m eustace rice)
8 CHARLES STEPHEN b1877 M Charlotte Agnes Parker d 1945 Rotorua
children
MURIEL b1903(m norman grafas1922) CHARLES EDWARD B 1904 ?m margaret laura cook 1925 aline marie simpson 1931
MABEL ROSE b1907 (m john faithful1924) DOROTHY GLADYS B 1910(m cyril kerr 1930)
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hoping to organise meetup of descendants of Mark and Hannah NEWTON at albertlanders reunion easter 2012 see www.albertland.co.nz
if you are interested get in touch
Descendants OF MARK NEWTON AND HANNAH BROWN
1 ROSA EMILY B1865 M SOLOMON FINEY
–children
– HILDA GERTRUDE b1892m Willie Thomas Sigley 1913, JOHN b 1893 m elsie fredrica cordes 1919,GEORGE EDMOND B 16/3/1895 m Nellie”Natalie phoebe murray 1922 Sydney nsw, HANNAH RUTH B 1896((m (m malcolm nicol mccready 1918,m George Bernard 1930 NSW )EDNA TAMAR b1898 m George Albert Collett 1922, RHODA ELLEN B 1889, EVA JANE B1886 (m thomas quelch 1906)WILLIAM HECTOR B 1902 LILIAN MADELINE B1900(m james marshall 1922)
2 CHARLOTTE B1867 D1884
3 ELLEN KEZIAH B1868 M THOMAS HARRISON 1886
-children
-THOMAS CYRIL B1900 (m emily mary mavis henry1926) SARAH KATHLEEN B1902 ELSIE ELLEN B 1895 (m edwin james griffiths 1918) IVAN HENRY B 1893 (m margaret orr hanson 1919)
4 THELMA MAY B 1903(m oscar albert millar 1926)
5 ARTHUR JOHN b1870 d1944 Hamilton m1897 ada violet lye
children
OLIVE MAUD b 1898 m alphonsus frederick rush 1923, HANNAH
GWENDOLINE b 1901 ?m henry allen thornton 1915, ARTHUR JOHN
b1903 ?m 1925 amy alexander grant
6 EVA NEWTON b1875 m william henry leighton
Children
WILFRED MILES b 1893 GORDON CECIL b1894 m alice frances grant 1918
STANLEY HERBERT b1895 m ivy elizaeth burchmore 1920 COLIN MARK
b1897 m florence may lewis 1920 EVA KATHLEEN b 1896 m Edwin leonard
bilkie 1916 GLADYS MURIEL b 1900 m Percival Reginald Osbourne 1924
7 HERCULES b1879 - m Cecilia Elizabeth ENGLAND 1899
-children
- RICHARD ALEXANDER B 1900 (m hazel may grace 1920) DORIS CECILIA B1904(m eustace rice)
8 CHARLES STEPHEN b1877 M Charlotte Agnes Parker d 1945 Rotorua
children
MURIEL b1903(m norman grafas1922) CHARLES EDWARD B 1904 ?m margaret laura cook 1925 aline marie simpson 1931
MABEL ROSE b1907 (m john faithful1924) DOROTHY GLADYS B 1910(m cyril kerr 1930)
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Hi there
My mother is the granddaughter of Rosa Emily Finey and daughter of Lillian Madeline Finey. We will be going to the reunion in Wellsford, NZ - are you planning to come across from the UK? At this stage we are planning to go the reunion, although we missed the 20th Dec cut off date, we have lodged a request for late registration.
Look forward to hearing from you and meeting you in NZ next year.
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Look forward to catching up at Easter. Keep me posted. If you don't make it will catch up via PM system regards D
Actually from NZ too
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Drop me a PM very interested to learn your link to the Newton family too.
Cheers
LM
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Hi LM,
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All the best for your forthcoming reunion.
Cheers
KHP
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I would be interested too. My mum is Reay Edna nee Finey daughter of John the son of Solomon Finey and Rosa Emily Newton
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Hi Linda,
Welcome to Rootschat.
If your mother is alive it is best you remove her name. It is a policy of Rootschat that we do not post names of living people due to Spam, Abuse etc. If you aren't quite sure how to remove it, go to your first post, click on modify, once the name is removed, click on save.
Cheers
KHP
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No she's not alive...she died of cancer in 78 when i was 18 so all gd
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Just seen this a bit late. I am a direct descendant of Arthur John Newton, his son Arthur John and his eldest son, my dad. Would love to exchange information if someone wants to contact me. I have the beginnings of a tree on Ancestry.com Turner/Newton/Lowrie. Cheers Deirdre Turner.
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We've been looking for your mum for years. My dad was keith chapman who only on his last weeks gave us the names of his mum and dad. Lillian is his mum but he said james chapman was his dad. We're so keen to know how chapman has come about. He said he had a sister and one brother aaron. My brother and i have no other family so we're hoping to have the blanks filled in. PLEASE get in contact as any info would be gratefully appriciated. We look like lillian so im hoping your mum can fit the last piece of the puzzle for us. Thank you
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Hi and welcome
If you post 3 times you can use the PM system to communicate with each other,happy faces will do ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Cheers Janette
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:) ;) :D
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:) :D :-*
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Wooo hoooo,now Deirdre need to smile ;D ;D
Cheers Janette
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Hi janette. I cant log into ancestry so have u discovered anything from lilians side by chance?
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If you look on Mundia you will find the tree mentioned about,it is free to join Mundia\
I am not connected to this family.
Cheers Janette
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Hi goldenkat,
Make the most of Mundia while you can, I understand that it will be made redundant shortly.
Cheers
KHP
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We've been looking for your mum for years. My dad was keith chapman who only on his last weeks gave us the names of his mum and dad. Lillian is his mum but he said james chapman was his dad. We're so keen to know how chapman has come about. He said he had a sister and one brother aaron. My brother and i have no other family so we're hoping to have the blanks filled in. PLEASE get in contact as any info would be gratefully appriciated. We look like lillian so im hoping your mum can fit the last piece of the puzzle for us. Thank you
Hi Goldenkat if you start a new thread "Lillian Chapman" and put as much detail as you have on deceased folk only we may be able to help you further,if you can give us some approx dates and full names it would be great,
Cheers Janette
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Hi janette, thank you for the advice on mundia, i'm going to give that a go. My brother and i lost both our parents to cancer and we have no other family so finding lilians side is going to be awesome, especially for my kids. All we know is lilian madeline finey d.o.b1900 married james marshall in 1922 and my dad keith chapman d.o
b19/8/1926 died 5/10/2007. I'v tried different sites but i cant find any names. ANY help/ info would be SO appriciated! And thank you KHP for the advice on mundia
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marriage
1922/2546 Lillian Madeline Finey James Marshall exact date is 28/6/1922
Do you know where the Chapman name came from as it appears Lillian died a Marshall
Death
1950/17387 Marshall Lillian Madeline 49Y
Cheers Janette
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Lillian was one of a large family
1886/1596 Finey Eva Jane Rosa Emily Solomon
1887/4868 Finey Rose Ethel Rose Emily Solomon
1889/3790 Finey Rhoda Ellen Rosa Emily Solomon
1892/5064 Finey Hilda Gertrude Rose Emily Solomon
1893/5968 Finey John Rose Emily Solomon
1895/5401 Finey George Edmund Rose Emily Solomon
1896/7931 Finey Hannah Ruth Rosa Emily Solomon
1898/6572 Finey Edna Tamar Rose Emily Solomon
1900/7761 Finey Lilian Madeline Rosa Emily Solomon
1902/12373 Finey William Hector Rosa Emily Solomon
This looks like her burial in Purewa in Auckland (thanks KHP)
Surname MARSHALL
First Names Lillian Madeline
Age 49 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 06 Mar 1950
Religion Protestant
Serial No 15730
Date of Service and/or Interment 08 Mar 1950
Funeral Director W H Tongue & Son's, P O Box 8510, Symonds Street, AUCKLAND
What Buried? Body
Casket Size
Casket Depth
Cemetery Purewa Cemetery
Location Block A Row 22 Plot 18
Cheers Janette
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Wow guys thank you!!! We have no clue how chapman comes in. All dad said was he had a sister and a brother aron, nt sure on his spelling that died in monte casino. Dad said his dad was james 'jimmy' chapman. Something happened because dad cut ties and never talked about them again. Was only in his last weeks that he gave us the we bit of info we've got. I can't thank you enough!!!
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Here is your uncle's death
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2048974/MARSHALL,%20ARRON%20STENFORD
MARSHALL, ARRON STENFORD
Rank:
Private
Service No:
452068
Date of Death:
13/07/1944
Age:
21
Regiment/Service:
New Zealand Machine Gun Battalion
27th
Grave Reference:
VI, H, 5.
Cemetery:
ASSISI WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of James and Lillian Madeline Marshall, of Penrose, Auckland, New Zealand.
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Oh wow,
Here is a photo of Arron
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/29015.detail?Ordinal=4&c_surname_search=marshall&c_warconflict_search=%22world+war+ii,+1939-1945%22
Cheers Janette
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And a photo of his headstone
http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=1752941
Cheers Janette
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Blimey! I got chills! He looks like my dad and brother! You have absolutly made my brother and my year! I honestly cant thank you enough!!!!!! Iv put it on facebook so my bro can see. He thanks you heaps to! Youv earnt your wings xx
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What name was your father using when he died and did he have a middle name?
found him
Death
2007/25106 Chapman Kieth Owen born 19 August 1926
Cheers Janette
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We think owen. My brother has owen as a middle name so whether or not its a family name?
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I assume you have this information
Cemetery Details Surname CHAPMAN
Forename Keith Owen
Age 81 Years
Gender Male
Date of Death 5 Oct 2007
Place of Death Dunedin Hospital, 201 Gt King Street, Dunedin
Last Address 3 Uxbridge Street, North East Valley, Dunedin
Funeral Director Hope & Sons Ltd, P O Box 5013, Andersons Bay, DUNEDIN
Date of Cremation 8 Oct 2007
Type of Service Committal
Ashes Disposal Return To Funeral Director 9 Oct 2007
Occupation
Place of Birth
Date of Birth 19 Aug 1926
Notes Occupation: Retired Horticulturilist/Builder
Birth Place: Tamworth, New South Wales, Australia
Number of Years in NZ: Unknown
Family to scatter ashes
You could email the funeral directors and ask for the information they have ,their email is here
http://www.funeralsnewzealand.co.nz/about-fdanz/fdanz-funeral-directors/otago.aspx
cut and paste the above cemetery record so they have it correct,
Cheers Janette
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I see that Lillian was NOK for Arron,so maybe James was deceased or no longer with Lillian
http://www.rootschat.com/links/019h5/
Cheers Janette
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Hmm that would make sense. And maybe she hooked up with another james. Thank you so much for your help. We couldnt have got this far without your amazing help!
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I can't see James after 1938 on the Electoral Roll. Lillian has classed herself as Married .... but some widows put themselves down as still being married.
1928, 1935 and 1938 E/R 's for Bay of Islands, has James and Lillian living at Kawakawa, James being a Blacksmith. There are also a few other Marshall's in the Kawakawa area, possibly James's family/relations.
also there is an Lillian Madeline Chapman a Spinster living in Auckland Central.
In 1946 and 1949 there is a Lillian Madeline Chapman living in 8 Chapman St, Arch Hill, Auckland .... status Married, and also in 1949 Lillian Madeline Chapman living at 1 Carlton Gore Road, Parnell, Auckland, status Married.
Cheers
KHP
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Are you in Auckland? the funeral directors records for Lillian may yield more information
Cheers Janette
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Hi im living in invercargill but i will definatly give the funeral home a ring tomorrow. Iv googled it and its owned by a new company but hopefully they have still kept records. Thank you heaps! Thank you KHP, it looking like somethings happened to james and shes remarried another james! I thought that only happened in gore! I think the parnell lilian is her. Whether or not she changed some of the kids names to chapman, im not sure. There was a lady on this site that was lilians granddaughter but she hasnt reposted. We're so close! Even the meaning of life has a easier answer. I cant thank you all enough for taking the time to help us. Wot a awesome family to be a part of
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I can't see a remarriage for Lillian on the Marriage Disc.
Cheers
KHP
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I can't see a remarriage for Lillian on the Marriage Disc.
Cheers
KHP
Maybe she used the name of the street she lived in ;D ;D
Cheers Janette
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Perhaps she did ;D I have a rellie with the name of the ship he was born on ;D
Cheers
KHP
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If thats the case im rapt she didnt live in big9nose or smallbum street! My mums family were all docters and their last name was graves! True story!
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I went and had a squizz at the trees on Ancestry.
James Marshall, Birth 1890 in Kawakawa, Far North, Northland, New Zealand - Death 1 January 1970 in Te Kuiti, New Zealand
Cheers
KHP
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Perhaps, they just parted the ways, without having a divorce ....... just speculation.
Cheers
KHP
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That would make sense to. Maybe dad came out of a fling or that he was a geniune cabbage patch baby! Thank you for squizzing
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Our KHP is the squizzing expert ;D ;D
Cheers Janette
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;D ;D ;D
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Have you looked at the trees on Mundia yet? Search under Lillian's maiden name. That will be your best bet to contact one of the owners to fill in the answers for you.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi goldenkat
I have had a reply from the FD's,part of which i will post here,the rest I will PM to you as they may be living people,
Lillian Madeline MARSHALL died on the 6th March 1950 aged 49 at Auckland hospital. Her usual address was 1 Carlton Gore Rd Grafton Auckland.
The Purewa Plot was purchased in the name of James MARSHALL of Kawakawa Bay Northland.
Lillian's father was Solomon FINEY
and mother ? NEWTON
Lillian was born in Auckland and also married there at the age of 23 to James Marshall.
They had two sons living at her death aged 22 and 23 a daughter was aged 19.
There is no information on who arranged the funeral except that the account was to be sent to a P V McMahon of Opotiki.
This does not solve the CHAPMAN name but it may be of help.
I wonder if your father changed his christian names as well as surname?
Cheers Janette
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Hi goldenkat
and mother ? NEWTON
Cheers Janette
Rosa Emily Newton.
Cheers
KHP
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There is no information on who arranged the funeral except that the account was to be sent to a P V McMahon of Opotiki.
This looks like it was the daughter and as there could be a living person included will PM the names.
Cheers
KHP
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Here is the burial record for James Marshall
James MARSHALL
Address Puketute, Te Kuiti
Occupation Retired
Place Of Birth Kawakawa
Age 79 years
Date Deceased 1/01/1970
Interment Date 3/01/1970
Te Kuiti New Cemetery
Plot 82
Block Lawn
Grave
Cheers Janette
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Sorry, my phone was out of credit so ive had no data. I tried the auckland voting papers and have got the two sons addresses of hopefully my aunt. Wish us eluck as im writing them both a letter and hopefully, fingers and toes crossed, we'll get the last piece of the puzzle. I think dad was born robert marshall but something happened and he changed it. As soon as i hear back from them ill post the results. THANK YOU BOTH for getting my brother and i to thi ;) :D ;Ds nervous point.
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We did it my angels! Ive just had paulas son email me back. Sounds like you got it bang on. He has't said what but the facts we gave him have added up. I have a cousin and a auntie! And they want to make contact! Ive got to get the landline on then give him a ring and hes happy to put the last piece in. THANK YOU both for all of your help. I'll let you know as soon as i have spoken to him. My heart is filled with joy!!! Thank you xxooxx
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Oh wow,that is awesome,I am thrilled for you,keep us up to date after you make contact
Cheers Janette
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I will! He couldnt :) ;)believe we'd tracked him down. Said i had angels on my side
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Cool ..... that is wonderful news to hear, makes a nice ending to my day. Enjoy your new rellies 8)
Cheers
KHP
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I couldnt have done it with out both of your help! This means the world! Thank you! Xxoo
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Hello my name is Pauline , I am a direct descendant of Mark and Hannah Newton who lived in Auckland, they migrated to NZ form Nottingham on the ship Matilda Wattenbach.
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Hi Pauline and welcome to RootsChat. :) :)
Here is a link to the passenger list of the Matilda Wattenbach.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/PassLists/matilda_wattenbach1862.html
Goldenkat hasn't been here in 2014 so be patient.
Spades
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Thank you
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Just in case Goldenkat doesn't receive a notification of your post I have sent a Personal Message (PM) alerting them.
I hope you get a response.
Spades
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Thank you again
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Hello, nice to hear from you. So I found out, I'm descended from Lillian, she was my grandmother. Have a awesome day
Hello my name is Pauline , I am a direct descendant of Mark and Hannah Newton who lived in Auckland, they migrated to NZ form Nottingham on the ship Matilda Wattenbach.
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That's wonderful news, my Grandmother was Edna who was Lillian's sister. Have you seen our Finey Family Tree Hut Facebook page? We're all related and there's lots of information and photos on it. If you can't send a friend request ask me and I'll see if I can add you as a friend. I am 57 and live in Cairns Australia. x
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[Crikey we are popping up everywhere! I think our descendants would be happy the family tree is still growing. I'm 40 and live in Invercargill, New Zealand. I sent a friend request to the facebook site but haven't heard back. Technology is sure a wonderful thing!quote author=Paulina58 link=topic=570144.msg5785402#msg5785402 date=1445312260]
That's wonderful news, my Grandmother was Edna who was Lillian's sister. Have you seen our Finey Family Tree Hut Facebook page? We're all related and there's lots of information and photos on it. If you can't send a friend request ask me and I'll see if I can add you as a friend. I am 57 and live in Cairns Australia. x
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OK I''ll go to the FB page and see if I can add you or it may need to be done by the administrator (one of our cousins). perhaps if I had your FB name that would help. I'm under Roderick Mackenzie (Roddy) there's a picture of my son on an exercise bike, send a friend request to me. :)
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:)they are probably busy and thought yay, that's all the family accounted for, that's not a problem, on Facebook I am Kat Marshall - Chapman, I'm a black cartoon cat. Camera shy is my middle name ;D
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thanks!
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FREAKY - Paula McMahon is my grandmother so all these connections mean I'm related to you too. My uncle is one of 5 kids so not sure which one wrote back to you - probably Michael as he was living with Paula off an on for years. ;D