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Title: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 06 December 11 15:03 GMT (UK)
(Posted for a friend)

Norman MacLeod was a crofter and fisherman from near Stornoway and Gran was Effie Macgregor with a croft at Tolsta Chaolais near Callanish. They moved to Glasgow for work about 1900.

This is all I have immediately so any help much appreciated, backwards, forwards or sideways.

Thanks,

James.


Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 15:26 GMT (UK)
Hi

This might be then in 1891 but maybe a little old  :-\

17 Portroller?, Stornoway

Norman Macleod, 50, fisherman
Effie, 49
Mary, 15, general servant
John 14
Effie, 8
Kenneth, 12
Malcolm, 4

All b. Stornoway

Does your friend  have any children's names. McLeod is a  pretty common surname in Lewis.


gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 15:33 GMT (UK)
I think that they're still in Stornoway in 1901~

10 Portvoller, Stornoway

Norman McLeod, 58, crofter
Effie, 58
Mary, 24
Effie, 16
Malcolm, 14
Mary, visitor,  24, fishworker
All b. Stornoway.


gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 06 December 11 15:35 GMT (UK)
gnu, thanks though I have no idea as yet (as I said earlier) this is all I have immediately. I will have to try harder to winkle out some more details if possible.

Thanks again.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 06 December 11 15:37 GMT (UK)
All surmise right this minute but, perhaps the 1900 is elastic?



Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 15:51 GMT (UK)
I've been trying to pinpoint Effie (Euphemia) but can't get a definite hit around Callanish (parish of Uig)

This could be the Norman that I found in 1891-1901,  in 1881 with a different wife. The elder children's names and ages match

21 Portroller Road, Stornoway

Norman McLeod, 36, fisherman
Henrietta, 36
Mary, 5
John, 4
Kenneth, 2
All b. Stornoway


gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 06 December 11 17:34 GMT (UK)
Thanks again.

Do you suppose Tolsta Chaolais would be a point for registration or would it need to be Callanish?

As given to me, there was nothing stated (it may have been implied) that the two were married.

I appreciate that MacLeod (and variant spellings) is a very popular surname.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 18:09 GMT (UK)
Hi

Tolsta Chaolais is fairly close to Callanish and they were in the parish/district of Uig,  so that registration would be where the registrar was located - I would say probably Carloway.

Here's a modern map to show it's location ~

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0i3c/

I checked all of Scotland for a marriage but nothing is coming up. i think you'll need more information from your friend - for example how is she/he related to them. There must be some link ancestor that more is known about.


gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 06 December 11 18:24 GMT (UK)
Hullo,

All I can say at present is that my informant is a grandchild. Add to that I'm in Scotland, he isn't :)
Fun huh? ;D

Many thanks.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: ewatson11 on Tuesday 06 December 11 18:54 GMT (UK)
Just to let you know that Effie is short for Henrietta.

http://www.hebrideanconnections.com/Support.aspx

from

Emma
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 19:31 GMT (UK)
Just to let you know that Effie is short for Henrietta.

http://www.hebrideanconnections.com/Support.aspx

from

Emma

Not heard of that before, Emma  :)

I've usually heard it as Henny, etc. with Effie being for Euphemia

It's not mentioned here:

http://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Effie.html

http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=henrietta

I'll have a look for a Henrietta Macgregor - I think I looked when I saw her on the census but will recheck.


gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 19:35 GMT (UK)
Only marriage showing (1860-1881, Stornoway or Uig)  for a Norman and a Henrietta is

1874 Stornoway Norman Mcleod and Henrietta McLeod

No M*cgregors

I listed all the Norman M*cleod marriages.

James - I really think that your friend should start with what is definitely known and work from that, otherwise it's all guess work.


gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 19:47 GMT (UK)
This might be relevant

1841

Tolsta Chaolais

John Mcleod, 45, ST
Catherine, 45
Norman, 45, ST
Christian, 15
Donald, 10
Henrietta, 6
Malcolm, 4

All born County
ST = sub tenant

but where the McGregor comes in, I'm not sure  ???

Please check those details, James.

gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 19:58 GMT (UK)
This is just brainstorming  or me filling in time until 8pm  ::)  :-X

More

1841
Tolsta Chaolais
Donald Mcgregor, 40, ST
Catherina, 40
Margaret, 11
Murdo, 7
John, 3
All b. County


Also in 1851 this family:

Tolsta Chaolais
Alexander McGregor, 40, tenant
Ann, 40
Christiana, 16
Catherine, 11
Norman, 9
Ann, 7
Mary, 2
All b. Uig



gnu
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 December 11 23:09 GMT (UK)
Hi again  :)

I've tracked down the birth of Malcolm McLeod (b.c. 1887) on the 1891 and 1901 censuses, and it makes interesting reading.

Malcolm McLeod,  7 January 1887, Portroller, Stornoway
Parents - Norman McLeod, fisherman and Henrietta, maiden name McLeod
Parents married 10 Nov 1874, Stornoway

This fits with the marriage that I mentioned in Reply #11

So, either this is the couple and the McGregor surname is a red herring or we need more info about, say the ages/places of birth of your friend's parent and siblings. If you can get this info without revealing their names, it would give some kind of time frame for Norman and Effie's births/deaths.


gnu

Added - gone around the long way to find the Euphemia/Effie/Henrietta link~

The Gaelic Oighrig can be variously 'translated'  as Euphemia, Effie and Henrietta, amongst others

http://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Oighrig.html
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 00:52 GMT (UK)
Emma, thankyou.  I was certainly unaware of that.
Its strange I think that I've thought of Effie as Scottish, yet I had an aunt with no Scots in her at all (from London) called Effie.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 00:55 GMT (UK)
Only marriage showing (1860-1881, Stornoway or Uig)  for a Norman and a Henrietta is

1874 Stornoway Norman Mcleod and Henrietta McLeod

No M*cgregors

I listed all the Norman M*cleod marriages.

James - I really think that your friend should start with what is definitely known and work from that, otherwise it's all guess work.


gnu

I agree, and maybe the only other alternative is a seance lol.

Thanks one more gnu.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 01:00 GMT (UK)
This might be relevant

1841

Tolsta Chaolais

John Mcleod, 45, ST
Catherine, 45
Norman, 45, ST
Christian, 15
Donald, 10
Henrietta, 6
Malcolm, 4

All born County
ST = sub tenant

but where the McGregor comes in, I'm not sure  ???

Please check those details, James.

gnu


I'm just concerned a bit as the stuff passed on to me suggested the family left Lewis around 1900 for work.  Figures don't add up do they?

Thanks,

James.

Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 01:02 GMT (UK)
This is just brainstorming  or me filling in time until 8pm  ::)  :-X

More

1841
Tolsta Chaolais
Donald Mcgregor, 40, ST
Catherina, 40
Margaret, 11
Murdo, 7
John, 3
All b. County


Also in 1851 this family:

Tolsta Chaolais
Alexander McGregor, 40, tenant
Ann, 40
Christiana, 16
Catherine, 11
Norman, 9
Ann, 7
Mary, 2
All b. Uig



gnu

Again, dates don't seem to allow for the 1900 departure.

James.

Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 01:03 GMT (UK)
James

The two quotes that you have from me were merely to show that there were McGregors in Tolsta Chaolais but no Effie/Henrietta,etc. and that there was a Henrietta Mcleod.

There's  nothing in the Glasgow area or Lewis for them circa 1900 - I had a quick look at 1911 but nothing stood out and SP is not cheap for census searches! Maybe you could have a look and save my credits.

 I'm sure your friend has some facts wrong. If they're his grandparents, hows old is he?

Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 01:14 GMT (UK)
Hi again  :)

I've tracked down the birth of Malcolm McLeod (b.c. 1887) on the 1891 and 1901 censuses, and it makes interesting reading.

Malcolm McLeod,  7 January 1887, Portroller, Stornoway
Parents - Norman McLeod, fisherman and Henrietta, maiden name McLeod
Parents married 10 Nov 1874, Stornoway

This fits with the marriage that I mentioned in Reply #11

So, either this is the couple and the McGregor surname is a red herring or we need more info about, say the ages/places of birth of your friend's parent and siblings. If you can get this info without revealing their names, it would give some kind of time frame for Norman and Effie's births/deaths.


gnu

Added - gone around the long way to find the Euphemia/Effie/Henrietta link~

The Gaelic Oighrig can be variously 'translated'  as Euphemia, Effie and Henrietta, amongst others

http://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Oighrig.html

Reply #14  does have merit though the 1900 thing is still a problem I think.  Maybe that's an error.

Will need to check with the chap again and try to squeeze more details - if he has any.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 01:18 GMT (UK)


Quote
Reply #14  does have merit though

Wow - thanks a bunch  - that sounds so patronising!  I've been working on this for a good while and I get that!

I'll withdraw from this search now.

gnu

Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 01:22 GMT (UK)
I'm sorry, it certainly wasn't meant to sound that way - I do apologise most sincerely.

I was simply comparing it with other suggestions is all. 

I really do appreciate all the work you've done on this thread. I've a job catching up with you.

James
(tail between legs)
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 02:13 GMT (UK)
James

The two quotes that you have from me were merely to show that there were McGregors in Tolsta Chaolais but no Effie/Henrietta,etc. and that there was a Henrietta Mcleod.

There's  nothing in the Glasgow area or Lewis for them circa 1900 - I had a quick look at 1911 but nothing stood out and SP is not cheap for census searches! Maybe you could have a look and save my credits.

 I'm sure your friend has some facts wrong. If they're his grandparents, hows old is he?

I've just heard back from him and apparently, the name Norman should have been Murdo.
So, Murdo MacLeod b.1874 married 7/6/1901 to Effie Macgregor also b.1874.

He in turn was getting info from someone else, I can''t say who as yet. I'm in Scotland, he's in NZ.
 
Sorry for the confusion.  He isn't experienced in this FH stuff so I offered to try and help if I could.

He will be 'over 50'.

James.

 
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 02:21 GMT (UK)
I found her death hours ago but discounted it because her husband was Murdo:

5 Dec 1944 Partick
Effie MacLeod widow of Murdo MacLeod, shipwright. Age 72

Parents - Malcolm Mcgregor, crofter and Christina, m.s. McLeod. Both deceased.

Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 02:28 GMT (UK)
Murdo's  parents were Murdo Macleod and Anabella m.s. Smith
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 02:38 GMT (UK)
Bless you.
I thought I'd found that Malcolm McGregor (b: ABT. 1806) was married to  Christina McKay (b: ABT. 1811) and they went off to Canada.
Marriage - 28 FEB 1861   Carloway I think.

You are a gem.

James.
Title: Re: Norman MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 02:52 GMT (UK)
In case you don't have access to the census - this one with Malcolm's parents and siblings

1871
Tolsta, Carloway, Uig

Norman McGregor, 70, crofter
Flora,w, 68
Henereta, d, 44
Duncan, s, 25, fisherman
Malcolm, s,  32, fisherman
Christiana, d in l, 28
Mary,  grdd, 2 mths

all b. Uig
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 02:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks again. No, no access currently but I'm more than willing to recompense you for your credits expense.
Maybe that topic should be kept to pms?

I've updated the heading.



James.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 10:47 GMT (UK)
I have fairly free access to the census information (except 1911)  and some BMDs so don't need recompense.

I'll concentrate on Effie's family first and then go on to Murdo's.

Effie's parents, Malcolm McGregor and Christina McLeod, married in Carloway on 17 March 1870. This from the IGI - I've not looked at the full cert.

In 1881 the family are still  in Tolsta

Fisherman's House, Tolsta Chaolais,Carloway

Malcolm Mcgregor, 42, fisherman
Chirsty, 38
Mary, 10
Heny, 9  (I think this is Effie)
Donald, 6
Malcolm, 4
John, 2
Norman, 9 mths
All born  Tolsta, Uig

By 1891 Effie/Henny/Euphemia/Henrietta is a Domestic Servant in Stornoway in the household of Neil MacCallum, a general merchant, and family

14 Francis Street, Stornoway
........
Euphemia MacGregor, 18, serv-  domestic, b. Carloway Lochs

This is the most likely entry for Effie in 1901:

Somersdale, Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire
Thomas Bell, 35, mechanical engineer, b. India (British subject)
Helen, w, 34, b. Glasgoe
Effie Mcgregor, 28, general servant (domestic), b. Stornoway

(Effie and Murdo married in June 1901, Partick- information you already have)

1911
16 George Street, Partick
Murdo McLeod, 36, shipwright, b. Ross-shire, Lewis
Effie, w, 38 (married 10 years, 5 children, all alive), b. -do-
Murdo,s, 9
Malcolm, s,7
Annabelle, d,5
Norman, s, 7 mths
Isabella, d, 7 mths
Isabella, visitor, 16. b. Ross-shire, Lewis
Children all b. Glasgow

_______________________

From 1870 marriage~

Christina McGregor m.s.  McLeod's parents were Neil McLeod, tenant and Catherine McDonald

Malcolm McGregor's parents were Norman Mcgregor, tenant and Flora McArthur

_______________________

Effie's mother with her parents:

1851

Tolsta, Uig
Neil McLeod, 39, tenant
Cathrine, 35
Donald, 12
Christiana, 8
Mary, 4
Cathrine, 8 mths
All b. Uig
__________________________________

gnu

Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 11:07 GMT (UK)
Wow!  What a load! Thanks seem wholly inadequate for all the work you are doing. 
Funny thing too is that I saw mention of Old Kilpatrick - I was in 'digs' there many many moons ago whilst working in Clydebank.

Silly as it may be but I was in that area last year on holiday (staying in Scalpay).

James.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 11:23 GMT (UK)
If you go to Freecen (http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl ) and select 1841,  Ross and Cromarty and enter Neil McLeod, b. 1820 (he underestimated his age, I think), the family will come up in Tolstachulish. You can then take a virtual stroll round the township and see if there are any likely kin.


gnu
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 11:50 GMT (UK)
I'll need to try again - I got Stornoway and Uig

Muchos Gracias.

Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 12:52 GMT (UK)
These marriage/Banns are  showing for Murdo's parents:
8 Dec 1852 Lochs:  Murdoch MacLeod and Annabella Smith



This might be them in 1881:

Cromore, Lochs
Annabella MacLeod, 50, crofter
Donald, s, 27, art adn medical student
John, s, 22, fisherman
Mary, d, 19, domestic servant
Kenneth, s, 14
Isabella, d, 11
Annabella, d, 9
Murdo, s, 6
All born Lochs

1871

Cromore, Lochs
Murdo Mcleod, 40, crofter
Anabella, w, 40
Catherine, d, 14
John, s, 12
Mary, d, 9
Kenneth, s,4
Bella, d,1
Maggie, sister, 43, servant
All born Lochs

1861

Cromore, Lochs
Murdo McLeod, 30, crofter
Anabella, w, 31
Peggie, sister, 34
Donald, s, 7
Catherine, d, 4
John, s, 2
John McIver, servant, 34, domestic servant
All b. Lochs
___________________________

Murdo McLeod b.c. 1830. Lochs. From death cert (1874), his parents were John McLeod and Catherine Mcdonald

1841

Cromore, Lochs
John Macleod, 48 Small Tenant* & Fisherman
Catharine, 46
Gormilla, 20
Peggy, 12
Murdo, 10
Donald, 6

*note - I've previously understood  that ST was sub-tenant!
___________________________

From her death cert (1891) Annabella's parents were Kenneth Smith and Mary McIver (SP)

Annabella Smith in 1851:

Luerbost, Lochs
Kenneth Smith, 57, farmer of 3 acres
Alexander, s, 26, employed on farm
Annabella, d, 21
Isabella,d, 18
Kenneth, s, 13
Murdo, s, 7

1841

Luerbost, Lochs

Kenneth Smith, 47, ST & F
Mary, 42
Alexander, 17
Catherine, 15
Annabella, 12
Margaret, 9
Isabella, 9
Mary, 7
Kenneth, 4



____________________________

Can you collate all the various lines, etc. and let me know if you need anything else.


gnu
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 December 11 13:27 GMT (UK)
Summary

Effie McGregor
Parents -  Malcolm McGregor and Christina McLeod

Malcolm McGregor
Parents - Norman McGregor and Flora McArthur

Christina McLeod
Parents  - Neil McLeod and Catherine McDonald


______________

Murdo McLeod
Parents - Murdo McLeod and Annabella Smith

Murdo Macleod
Parents - John McLeod and Catherine Mcdonald

Annabella Smith
Parents - Kenneth Smith and Mary McIver


Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Wednesday 07 December 11 16:22 GMT (UK)
Brilliant work - so many thanks. I'll respond when I've digested it all.

Thanks again,

James.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: smaude on Saturday 14 January 12 08:21 GMT (UK)
MAUDE, Catherine Mary (nee MacLeod) - Of Guelph, passed away peacefully at Lapointe-Fisher Nursing Home on Sunday, February 24, 2008, in her 86th year. Beloved wife of the late Thomas Alexander Maude (1991). Loved mother of Donald and Anne Marie of Guelph, Jean Corrigan and friend Donald Floto of Exeter and Christina "Ina" Robertson of Kitchener. Loving grandmother of Stacey Maude of Mississauga, Tammy and Mike Weir of Guelph, Courtney Robertson of Sarnia and Katie Ann Robertson of Kitchener. Great-grandmother of Ruby Jane Weir of Guelph. Dear sister-in-law of Joan MacLeod of Hamilton, Elmer "Ken" and Rhoda Maude of Kitchener and Jean Maude of Guelph. Also survived by special friend Fanny Balcovy of Guelph and many nieces and nephews. Predeceased by her parents, Christina and Malcolm Murdo MacLeod; brother, Ken MacLeod; brother-in-law, Bill Maude and brother and sister-in-law, Myrtle and George Mitchell. Friends will be received at the Wall- Custance Funeral Home & Chapel, 206 Norfolk St., Guelph one hour prior to the funeral service which will be held, in the funeral home chapel on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 (today) at 1:30 p.m. (Reception to follow in the Wall-Custance Family Reception Centre). Interment Woodlawn Memorial Park, Guelph. Memorial contributions to the Alzheimer Society, 111 MacDonell St., Guelph N1H 2Z7 or a charity of your choice would be appreciated. A tree will be planted in memory of Catherine M. Maude in the Wall- Custance Memorial Forest, University of Guelph, Arboretum. Dedication service Sunday, September 21, 2008, at 2:30 p.m. (www.wallcustance.com).
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: smaude on Saturday 14 January 12 08:22 GMT (UK)
MAUDE, Catherine Mary (nee MacLeod) - Of Guelph, passed away peacefully at Lapointe-Fisher Nursing Home on Sunday, February 24, 2008, in her 86th year. Beloved wife of the late Thomas Alexander Maude (1991). Loved mother of Donald and Anne Marie of Guelph, Jean Corrigan and friend Donald Floto of Exeter and Christina "Ina" Robertson of Kitchener. Loving grandmother of Stacey Maude of Mississauga, Tammy and Mike Weir of Guelph, Courtney Robertson of Sarnia and Katie Ann Robertson of Kitchener. Great-grandmother of Ruby Jane Weir of Guelph. Dear sister-in-law of Joan MacLeod of Hamilton, Elmer "Ken" and Rhoda Maude of Kitchener and Jean Maude of Guelph. Also survived by special friend Fanny Balcovy of Guelph and many nieces and nephews. Predeceased by her parents, Christina and Malcolm Murdo MacLeod; brother, Ken MacLeod; brother-in-law, Bill Maude and brother and sister-in-law, Myrtle and George Mitchell. Friends will be received at the Wall- Custance Funeral Home & Chapel, 206 Norfolk St., Guelph one hour prior to the funeral service which will be held, in the funeral home chapel on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 (today) at 1:30 p.m. (Reception to follow in the Wall-Custance Family Reception Centre). Interment Woodlawn Memorial Park, Guelph. Memorial contributions to the Alzheimer Society, 111 MacDonell St., Guelph N1H 2Z7 or a charity of your choice would be appreciated. A tree will be planted in memory of Catherine M. Maude in the Wall- Custance Memorial Forest, University of Guelph, Arboretum. Dedication service Sunday, September 21, 2008, at 2:30 p.m. (www.wallcustance.com).
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: TCIOL on Monday 16 January 12 14:14 GMT (UK)
Hi

Think I know about Effie Macgregor.  Think she was my grand aunt
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 17 January 12 14:49 GMT (UK)
I'd love to know more, either here or by pm.

James.
 
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: TCIOL on Tuesday 17 January 12 14:54 GMT (UK)
Ok. 
I'd like to make contact. Google Blackhouse Village Isle of Lewis and you'll find my contact there
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:04 GMT (UK)
Google has many entries - am I to scour through them all?
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: TCIOL on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:09 GMT (UK)
The first entry you'll find my contact
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:14 GMT (UK)
I'm away from home just now, in a b an b in Edinburgh - no phone.  Do I take it the email address is what I should use?
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:15 GMT (UK)
Tolsta Chaolais would be a great interest!
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: TCIOL on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:19 GMT (UK)
e-mail will be fine.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:23 GMT (UK)
On its way (if the ferry is running ;D)
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Tuesday 17 January 12 15:30 GMT (UK)
I could have mentioned Callanish.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: annaruadh on Friday 11 May 12 07:12 BST (UK)
Hi

Just came across this - hope you're still checking the site. 

I may be able to help with this quest.  A Murdo MacLeod, born c 1881, from Cromore, Isle of Lewis, son of Murdo MacLeod (deceased) and Annabella (nee Smith) married an Effie Macgreggor from Tolsta Chaolais, Isle of Lewis. They lived in Knightswood, Glasgow and had six children.

Murdo MacLeod was my grandfather's brother and I have information on the other strands of the family.

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Gadget on Friday 11 May 12 08:47 BST (UK)
Hi annaruadh ad welcome to Rootschat  :)


Would this be your family:


These marriage/Banns are  showing for Murdo's parents:
8 Dec 1852 Lochs:  Murdoch MacLeod and Annabella Smith



This might be them in 1881:

Cromore, Lochs
Annabella MacLeod, 50, crofter
Donald, s, 27, art adn medical student
John, s, 22, fisherman
Mary, d, 19, domestic servant
Kenneth, s, 14
Isabella, d, 11
Annabella, d, 9
Murdo, s, 6
All born Lochs

1871

Cromore, Lochs
Murdo Mcleod, 40, crofter
Anabella, w, 40
Catherine, d, 14
John, s, 12
Mary, d, 9
Kenneth, s,4
Bella, d,1
Maggie, sister, 43, servant
All born Lochs

1861

Cromore, Lochs
Murdo McLeod, 30, crofter
Anabella, w, 31
Peggie, sister, 34
Donald, s, 7
Catherine, d, 4
John, s, 2
John McIver, servant, 34, domestic servant
All b. Lochs
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Murdo McLeod b.c. 1830. Lochs. From death cert (1874), his parents were John McLeod and Catherine Mcdonald

1841

Cromore, Lochs
John Macleod, 48 Small Tenant* & Fisherman
Catharine, 46
Gormilla, 20
Peggy, 12
Murdo, 10
Donald, 6

*note - I've previously understood  that ST was sub-tenant!
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From her death cert (1891) Annabella's parents were Kenneth Smith and Mary McIver (SP)

Annabella Smith in 1851:

Luerbost, Lochs
Kenneth Smith, 57, farmer of 3 acres
Alexander, s, 26, employed on farm
Annabella, d, 21
Isabella,d, 18
Kenneth, s, 13
Murdo, s, 7

1841

Luerbost, Lochs

Kenneth Smith, 47, ST & F
Mary, 42
Alexander, 17
Catherine, 15
Annabella, 12
Margaret, 9
Isabella, 9
Mary, 7
Kenneth, 4



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I'll concentrate on Effie's family first and then go on to Murdo's.

Effie's parents, Malcolm McGregor and Christina McLeod, married in Carloway on 17 March 1870. This from the IGI - I've not looked at the full cert.

In 1881 the family are still  in Tolsta

Fisherman's House, Tolsta Chaolais,Carloway

Malcolm Mcgregor, 42, fisherman
Chirsty, 38
Mary, 10
Heny, 9  (I think this is Effie)
Donald, 6
Malcolm, 4
John, 2
Norman, 9 mths
All born  Tolsta, Uig

By 1891 Effie/Henny/Euphemia/Henrietta is a Domestic Servant in Stornoway in the household of Neil MacCallum, a general merchant, and family

14 Francis Street, Stornoway
........
Euphemia MacGregor, 18, serv-  domestic, b. Carloway Lochs

This is the most likely entry for Effie in 1901:

Somersdale, Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire
Thomas Bell, 35, mechanical engineer, b. India (British subject)
Helen, w, 34, b. Glasgoe
Effie Mcgregor, 28, general servant (domestic), b. Stornoway

(Effie and Murdo married in June 1901, Partick- information you already have)

1911
16 George Street, Partick
Murdo McLeod, 36, shipwright, b. Ross-shire, Lewis
Effie, w, 38 (married 10 years, 5 children, all alive), b. -do-
Murdo,s, 9
Malcolm, s,7
Annabelle, d,5
Norman, s, 7 mths
Isabella, d, 7 mths
Isabella, visitor, 16. b. Ross-shire, Lewis
Children all b. Glasgow

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From 1870 marriage~

Christina McGregor m.s.  McLeod's parents were Neil McLeod, tenant and Catherine McDonald

Malcolm McGregor's parents were Norman Mcgregor, tenant and Flora McArthur

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Effie's mother with her parents:

1851

Tolsta, Uig
Neil McLeod, 39, tenant
Cathrine, 35
Donald, 12
Christiana, 8
Mary, 4
Cathrine, 8 mths
All b. Uig
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and


Summary

Effie McGregor
Parents -  Malcolm McGregor and Christina McLeod

Malcolm McGregor
Parents - Norman McGregor and Flora McArthur

Christina McLeod
Parents  - Neil McLeod and Catherine McDonald


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Murdo McLeod
Parents - Murdo McLeod and Annabella Smith

Murdo Macleod
Parents - John McLeod and Catherine Mcdonald

Annabella Smith
Parents - Kenneth Smith and Mary McIver






gnu
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Friday 11 May 12 08:58 BST (UK)
annaruadh,

yes, still interested.

James.
Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: annaruadh on Friday 11 May 12 22:11 BST (UK)
Yes, this is my family.  John MacLeod, Murdo's elder brother, was my grandfather.  He married when he was in his 40s as he assumed responsibility for his mother and his siblings - their father, also Murdo, died some three months before Murdo's birth.  I would know something of the MacLeod family history.

Interestingly I contacted a Mr Macgregor from Tolsta Chaolais I think in December (or very early January)  looking for information on any descendents of Murdo and Effie's but drew a blank. This was, of course, shortly after you began making enquiries.

If your contact would like to get in touch I would also be very interested in knowing something of Murdo and Effie's family. 

Title: Re: Murdo MacLeod & Effie Macgregor - Isle of Lewis
Post by: Kin-getter on Saturday 12 May 12 00:36 BST (UK)
Please contact me through:

http://macleodsoflewis.proboards.com/

I believe you cannot do personal messages on Rootschat unless you have posted a few times.

James.