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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: tailz03 on Sunday 04 December 11 17:59 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to go back further in my family history but i seem to have hit a brick wall.
John Walter Rafferty was born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland. He married Mary born around 1796 and they had Thomas born 1822 all in Ireland. They then moved to Birmingham and had 5 more children. Can anyone find me any information about these three people? ive tried everything i can think of and im stumped! Thanks :)
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You need to know where in Ireland your Rafferty family lived to start a search - ideally the town, townland or parish. You also need to know what denomination they were so you can check for the correct records.
Note very few parishes have records before the 1800s.
see: Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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On every bit of research ive found for the above people it all just says Ireland, no town, nada. From a year after Thomas was born right until the present day they lived in Birmingham so im ok with that side of things, just annoying i cant find out where in ireland they came from... :S
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Besides the location, you would probably need a bit more information to verify any possible records that might show up - e.g. do you know Mary's maiden name ?
It might be worth following up on the other children born in England - especially if any were born after the start of civil records there in mid 1837. At least with a maiden name for Mary you have a more 'unique' family - rather than just one of many Rafferty families.
Baptism records in England are also worth checking out if you haven't already done that - they can occasionally give you clues as to the family's origin.
Shane
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All children except James were born before 1837 and i havent been able to locate James's birth certificate. All i know is that he was born in Birmingham and according at all cenus's he was born in 1840 and was a bedstead ornamentor. (Married Lydia Truman) :)
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Oh i appear to have a 1881 census of Thomas which says that hes born in harthouse? where is that? i cant seem to find it :S thanks
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Harthouse doesn't sound familiar - in Ireland or England, it could be mis-transcribed.
Where did you find this record for Thomas in 1881 - i.e. can you give the address/location or census references ... maybe someone could check if it's an accurate transcription for you
Shane
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a quick search show two possible matches on the 1881 return - one in a Workhouse in Durham with an occupation of 'Colliery Labourer' and a place of birth of 'Ireland' and another in St Pancras, London with an occupation of labourer and birthplace of 'Scotland, Glasgow'..
of course with a surname like Rafferty, there could be other I've missed due to the possible variations in spelling....
Shane
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Oh i know where Thomas is In 1888 he is aged 40 and married to Mary in longton staffordshire. That is also where the name 'harthouse' comes from.
I think what you were asking for was RG11/ 2735/ 92 p 13; ? Thanks :)
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here's that image - it does look a little like Harthouse... maybe someone can see more detail...
Shane
English Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I thought it looked like Hartlow, but wondered if it was meant to be Arklow.
According to the Irish Gazetteer, there are 3 Arklows in Ireland.
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Sorry, alpinecottage, it doesn't look anything like that to me.
It does look like Harthouse and tailz03 says (intriguingly) "that is also where the name harthouse comes from" ie. Staffordshire.
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Hart- Hant- Hast- ? + -low ... ... I think
or is the first letter a K, an R?
eadaoin
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If the family were catholic, then you may be lucky enough to find the mother's maiden name on the church records for the later-born children in Birmingham. This can help with tracing Irish parish records.
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James was the only child born late enough in Birmingham (1840) but i cant seem to locate his birth certificate either. And im glad everyone else is as stuck on the name! lol gonna keep hunting, if anyone figures anything out would be appreciated :)
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I thought it looked like Hartlow, but wondered if it was meant to be Arklow.
According to the Irish Gazetteer, there are 3 Arklows in Ireland.
I'm inclined to think the same, who ever did the writing thought he was hearing Hart instead of Ark, perhaps our man couldn't write.
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Ive found a new peice of information that states it as athlone... is that a place? lol
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Athlone is a town on the banks of the River Shannon. It is situated slap-bang in the middle of the island of Ireland.
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If anyone can corrolate for me as to whether this is the same couple each time,
1851- Missing census, have his mum and sisters but he had moved out.
1861 - Thomas Age 38 est b.1823 & Mary Age 38 est b.1823 living in Deritend Birmingham. Occupation of Thomas: Bricklayer. RG9/ 2170/20 p 33
1871 - Thomas Age 45 est b.1826 & Mary Age 44 est b.1827 Inmates at Longton in Staffordshire. Occupation of Thomas: Bricklayer. RG10/2871/113 p 19.
1881 - Thomas Age 40 est b.1841 & Mary Age 59 est b.1822 Living in Stoke on Trent Staffordshire. Occupation of Thomas - Bricklayer. RG11/ 2735/ 92/ p 13
I know the ages are out but each time Thomas and Mary are together and he is a bricklayer each time. His family come from Deritend and her family from Stoke on Trent so that would make sense? Can you find any records of why they were inmates?
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This is his details for 1841
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/tailz03/Screenshot2011-12-06at204742.png)
1 park lane, St Martins, Birmingham
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Looking back at that census it looks like whoever wrote it, did it as they heard it (h)a(n)thlone
on www.rootsireland.ie there are two Thomas Rafferty's born to a John & Mary Rafferty in County Westmeath which is where Athlone is - one in 1827 and one in 1828.
There is also one marriage for a John Rafferty & Mary ? in 1827 in County Westmeath
Tara
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i've never used that site before do you have to pay? would it have details on john and mary? :)
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They are free to join and free to search.
They charge 5 euro to view the actual record.
What you will get to see is a transcribed version of the church record.
Unfortunatly going back that far there doesn't be a huge amount of info but will give you dates and areas for baptisms and dates / areas and sometimes fathers of the couple marrying on marriage records.
Tara
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You can search but you have to pay to view the full record €5.00 each.
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Could the place be Hartstown? There are three in Ireland, according to http://www.thecore.com/seanruad