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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: raven-1 on Sunday 04 December 11 13:05 GMT (UK)
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Travellers of Hampshire.
It doesn’t take long to realise from the 1841census addresses, Hampshire Hatcthes, Burton Common, Hordle Common, Thorney Hill and Hinton, that my ancestors were probably, at one time Wagoner’s or travellers.
Although my ancestor’s names are well established in the general area now, these particular places don’t seem to have been or become residential areas. Does anyone know or have, thoughts, idea’s about the way these people lived back then.
Rav.
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There is a section for travellers on Rootschat in the special interest section. Quite a lot of the areas you mention are in the New Forest, and certainly there are places called Hordle, Thorney Hill, Hinton etc today. Is there anyone in particular that you are looking for?
regards.
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Thanks Paco
My family tree contains the names Dimot, Kitcher, Young & James, all large and as you say New Forest families. Their migration around the area suggests a way of life that is of particular interest.
How did, say my 3x great grandmother meet her husband when in fact they lived many miles apart, we know there were only a few roads, so did these places have some connection in the movement of people at this time.
I know, living in Christchurch for years & years & years, how Thorney Hill developed, but why were these people there originally.
PS
Left over Nissan huts on the old Holmsley ( Plain Heath ) airfield were used to house bombed out refugee's from London after the war, I’m not sure if any families remained at Thorney Hill itself but a number did move to the then new Somerford Estate.
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Have you read this?
http://www.geodata.soton.ac.uk/newforest/public/resources/eastb.html
I am pretty sure about two years ago there was another member researching Kitchers.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,3364.0.html
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If you search Rootschat using the search button at the top of the page you will find several threads about the KITCHERS.
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Thank you both Bearkat & Bilge for your interest.
I have seen most of the info on suggested sites, finding the correct branch of the Kitcher tree, is a problem, I have not managed to link any of that info into my tree so far.
Like most of the branches Kitcher’s run out in the late 1700’s last being James Kitcher b 1794, m 1824, Milton to Harriet Dimot. d 1879
Regards.
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Try sending Amy K a personal message. She has done a lot of research on the KITCHERS.
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Do you have access to a copy of Comyn's New Forest?
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Hello Bearkat.
If its the notes of Rev H Comyn in Sway Snippets then yes.
I found them fascinating and a good read showing just how closely knit communities were back then, However, even with all the detail of Kitchers of Fawley & Border I haven’t found a James of the right age yet. James 1794 would have been about 20 yrs when the Rev did his tour. My James married in Milton & was living in Bashley in 1841.
Regards.
PS Hampshire Keeping's also feature in my tree
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Comyn's New Forest is much more than the mentions in Sway Snippets. It a directory of all the residents of the parish of East Boldre and is a mine of information. It won't help if your family were living in neighbouring parishes.
I can't see a James KITCHER baptised around 1794. Could the family have been non-conformists? Could he have been illegitmate?
Where does James says he was born on the census?
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Hello Bearkat, Thanks for your reply & continued interest.
Birth place is Boldre but his age varies a bit from census to census.
47yrs in 1841, 80 yrs in 1871.
Can I find Comyn’s New Forest online
Regards
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Comyn's New Forest is not available online and it is out of print. You should be able to get a copy through inter library loan.
Comyn's New Forest
Jude James (1982). Published by
C.J. Newsome & Associates
ISBN 0 906742 01 3
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There were 2 James KITTIERS baptised in Boldre around 1794.
James son of Moses & Betty 2nd October 1791
James son of Joseph & Ann 31st january 1796
plus a couple more baptised in 1787.
Comyn's New Forest has both families listed as KITCHER.
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Many thanks Bearkat.
James named a son Moses b 1830, so this could be a clue, his parents may well be Moses & Betty.
Rev Comyn mentions a Moses Kitcher & a Joseph & Anne.
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Close at hand lives Moses KITCHER, a widower, who has with him John aJid Will KITCHER, both in their Tteens, Joseph Gates aged 21 and Sarah Warne in her mid-thirties. Mr. Comyn calls them lodgers but it seems likely that Sarah keeps house for them.
Moses Kitcher's children, excepting son Janes who has absconded, are not far afield.
Also:-
Meeting at the 'bottom of Mill Lane we visit the miller,
Joseph KITCHER, 67 years old, and his wife Anne. Their children are grown up. Five are away, the two eldest sons in London and three daughters married and out of the parish.
Even so, the house is full with five others at home, the youngest James, aged 19.
Mr. Comyn reminds us there has been a mill at Flexford for centuries, long before 1150 when Hugh de Witteville gave the mill, his men, and all his land in Sway to Quarr Abbey.
Joseph tells us that his family had rented the mill for well over a century, his great grandfather, Aaron Kitcher who died in 1716, had been miller as was Joseph's father before him.
End.
It would have been nice if this James was the ancestor but I think it more likely to be Moses & Betty's son.
Will use your info to find a copy of Comyn’s New Forest, sounds as if it may have some cross reference, perhaps the death of Betty, to nail this one.
Regards.
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The entry for Moses and Betty reads as follows:
living at Shirley Holmes
Elizabeth KITCHER nee READE widow of Jos (error for Moses)
Susannah London
James Battramsley
William Heathy Dilton
Elizabeth (DIANGLE) Holland
John born Apr 1797
Jane born 1799 Battramsley
Joseph born Nov 1801 Dible's Passford
plus Charles TUGBY (lodger)
The place names are where they were living in 1817
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Hi,
I am looking for a photograph of Hampshire Hatches if thats possible, Ringwood, and more information on Joseph Wiseman b1811 abt. Ringwood, Hampshire, England, death and father unknown. He is my
1st cousin 7 x removed. He lived in THE HATCHES Ringwood, owned 50 acres and employed farm labourers. His mother was Betty Peckham, and I think they lived there for at least 30 years.
Hope someone can help.
Thanks
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Have you used the FreeREG site as there are many Kitcher's on there for Boldre etc. going back to the 1600's.
regards.