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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: chickadee2212 on Saturday 03 December 11 19:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I'm trying to trace my Ancestor William Corlett (or sometimes written as Collett) who appears to be born in Douglas in 1783c
I know by 1805 he was settled in Liverpool, England, and stayed there till the 1850's when he died in Hindley, near Wigan
Where would you suggest I start looking for baptism, or even early years of his life?
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You should be aware that the name William Corlett was as common in the IOM as W Smith or W Jones.
Can you give the evidence for IOM Birth c 1783?
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I managed to track him down on the 1851 census, where he states he was born in Douglas. He gave his age as 67 there, so that works out to a 1784c birth
The 1841 census says he 58 (So would be born 1783c) & was born outside of Lancashire
Other birth references include:
- His first marriage in 1805 he was about 21 (1784c)
- second marriage in 1813 he was 30 (1783c)
- & His death in 1854, aged 70 (1784c)
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You will presumably have checked IGI records on line & know that in a 20 year period there is not one baptism
for a William Corlett in the Douglas area. You would be looking for a baptism in the parishes of [ Conchan or ] Onchan
and Kirk Braddan. Douglas was still a village then & not the Capital Town. What info. does the marriage register
give ? probably " son of William" or worse still just " William C of this parish. Since the same era every generation of
my family has had at least one William & I find the search just as difficult as you & I live here in IOM.
Can you give all household info for 1851?
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you missed Wm Thos bapt Douglas St Matthews 17830415 s/o Robt Corlet + sarah Smith (never found a marriage)
also Wm Douglas St Georges 17840520 s/o Wm Corlet + Isable Norris (again no marr - 1st child Kk Michael then 10yr gap to Wm
(you should know thaton IoM illegitimate children known by father's name )
ETA Douglas was not a village in 1780's - not sure where this myth arose tho repeated in many books - it was bigger than Castletown (the then capital) and had been for many years, housed all the key merchants and was the major port by a large margin - Attorney General Busk in that era looked for accomodation just a few miles outside Douglas at today's Mount Murray so within easy reach of Douglas but could also ride down to the courts in Castletown when the need arose.
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His first marriage was in 1805, in Liverpool & says "William Collett, Bachelor of this parish", so I presume he must have been there for a while. There are no father's details
His second marriage was in 1813, in Prescot & says ""William Corlett, Widower of the parish of Walton [Liverpool]". Again no details of the father >:(
on the 1851 it's as follows:
CORLETT, William, Head, Unmarried, M, 43, 1808, Rom.Cat.Pr.St.Bendict, Liverpool
CORLETT, William, Father, Married, M, 67, 1784, Proprietor Of Houses, Isle of Man Douglas
CORLETT, Ann, Mother In Law [Step-mother], Married, F, 67, 1784, Retired, St Helens
BALLARD, Mary, Lodger, Unmarried, F, 44, 1807, House Keeper, Hindley
HODKINSON, Ellen, Servant, Unmarried, F, 16, 1835, Domestic Servant, Liverpool
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Piece: 2200, Folio: 148, Page: 21
Address: Mill Lane, Hindley, Lancashire
Frances_mnb
I'd discounted the William Corlett & Isabel Norris baptism, as although they (or their descendants) seemed to settle in Liverpool, they seemed to give their children the middle name Norris
As for the Robert & Sarah Smith, I cant prove a connection, but my William's children seemed to be named using family namesChildren with first wife:
- William, (named after father?)
- Mary Ellen (named after mother)
Children with second wife
- Mary Ann (named after maternal grandmother & mother)
- George (named after maternal grandfather)
[li]Robert[/li] (possibly named after Paternal grandfather?)
[li]James[/li]
[/list]
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Francess & I happened to be in Library today & looked at some films of copies of Parish Registers. Her posts were
from her own database.
Douglas St Matthews [ in Kirk Braddan Parish ] was a church on Douglas harbour side. The record was as Francess
wrote ---- 15 / 04 /1783 Wm. Thos. son of Robt. Corlet and Sarah Smith.
All recorded marriages just had maiden name of brides .
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Thanks very much for that. I'll see if I can match upmy family with that one :)
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Apologies I should have written -----mothers maiden names. As Francess has already said she can find no marriage
record for that couple.
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where was he referred to as Collet ? - the Collet name seemed to have arisen with Jacques Collet - so much more French than his baptismal name of James Corlett ! and much more convenient to avoid impressment by claiming to ne either American (his bro Thomas emigrated to New York where I think he captained vessels on the Liverpool/USA trade and whose citizenship James/Jacques acquired as honary consul in Pas de Calais area) or French - Jacques made quite a bit of money in running contraband material as well as being known as a French Corsair - enough to buy a small chateau just after the revolution and to leave quite a bit to his nephew who assumed name Collet (and was I think gfa to the Collets associated with governorship of bank of England)
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Firstly- apologies - the First marriage mentioned the name Collett :-[
Both the Marriage licence & the parish record William signs it Collett
Event Type: Intended marriage
Event Date: 28 Sep 1805
Groom: William Collett
Bride: Eleanor Hinton
Parish: St. Peter, Liverpool
Marriage: 29 Sep 1805
Groom: William Collett
Bride: Eleanor Hinton
However by the baptisms of their children, the name reverts back to Corlett
Baptism: 12 Aug 1807 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Corlett - Son of William Corlett & Eleanor (formerly Hilton)), His Wife
Born: 26 Jul 1807
Abode: Toxteth Park
Occupation: Mariner
Register: Baptisms 1807, Page 326, Entry 1039
Source: LDS Film 93833
Baptism: 15 Apr 1810 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Corlett - Daughter of William Corlett & Ellen (formerly Hinton))
Born: 6 Apr 1810
Abode: Lower Harrington St
Occupation: Mariner
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1810, Page 266, Entry 1
Source: LDS Film 1656377
The trade directories of the time he was also listed as Corlett;
1807 (Liverpool Gore's Directory)
CORLETT, Captain William, 50 Upper Harrington Street, Toxteth
1816 (Liverpool)
CORLETT, Captain William, 8 Stanhope Street, Toxteth
1823 - 1841c
CORLETT, William, Pawnbroker, Stanhope Street, Toxteth