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Looking for a few Thomas Perry's of Cambridge around 1700. I have one born in 1674 that was supposed to have gone to Cambridge Uni. Another Thomas Perry went to Cambridge uni in 1753 age 19, his father seems to be living in Cambridge sometime in between 1674 - 1753. Interested in any info on any Perry's in Cambridge between those years. Thank you
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This is all a bit vague!
Can't find a few. Will one do? The 1753 university Thomas:
College: CAIUS
Entered: Michs. 1754
Adm. sizar (age 19) at CAIUS, July 3, 1753. S. of Thomas, tailor, of Cambridge. Born at Newmarket. Attended Bury St Edmunds School. Scholar, 1753; matric. Michs. 1754; B.A. 1757; M.A. 1760. Ord. deacon (Norwich) 1758; priest, 1759; Curate of St Margaret's, King's Lynn, 1758. Curate of Long Melford, Suffolk, 1759. ‘Chaplain at Goree in Africa, Oct. 1762, where he was killed by the explosion of a powder-magazine.’ (Bury St Edmunds Sch. Reg.; Venn, II. 69; Cambridge Chronicle, Mar. 5, 1763.) - Venn, J. A., compiler. Alumni Cantabrigienses. London, England: Cambridge University Press, 1922-1954.
There was only one other Thomas Perry at Cambridge Univ in the time frame you mention - he was admitted in 1720 as an 18 year old, and was possibly from Wolverhampton.
Where have you looked for Cambs Perrys, so we don't duplicate what you already know? There's no Thomas Perry born 1674 in Cambs on the IGI.
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Hi That is one of the ones I am looking for further info on. I have that entry but that is it. It says his father was a tailor in Cambs, I am looking for further info on the Tailor named Thomas Perry. If you google "Thomas Perry" 1658 Cambridge you will find an article that says he was bankrupt in 1658, he seems to have died the same year as the son, the priest, which does not make sense. The will is on line for at TNA for one of the Thomas Perrys 1762 saying he has a daughter Ann Perry. However the book Mid-Georgian London by Hugh Philips has my ancestors trading advertisement in it: John Perry, son of Thomas Perry of Cambridge, further goes onto to say John Perry invented Jockey caps and hunting caps. John Perry is my ancestor. Now he does not seem to be the son of the Thomas Perry the priest, so I think he is a son of Thomas Perry the Tailor. I found a google reference that a Thomas Perry from Gloucester went to Cambridge Uni. It says he was born 1674 and died unmarried. However I think he did marry and is the same Thomas Perry tailor in Cambridge. That is all I have. Help appreciated
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There is a burial of a Thomas Perry, 20 June 1762, St. Michael's Church, Cambridge. Unfortunately no other details.
30 January 1755 burial at St. Michael's, Ann wife of Thomas.
There was a baptism at Newmarket All Saints on 5 May 1727 of Ann Perry daughter of blank and Ann. B.T. Thomas.
Also buried St. Michaels's: 11 October 1761 George Perry son of Thomas and Anne.
4 December 1774 Anne Perry
Selina
Selina
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Ok now this is what we have
The Thomas Perry, Priest died in South Africa 1762, do we think this is the same Thomas Perry buried at St Michael's?
Or have we this:
Thomas Perry died 1762 m Ann
Issue:
George died 1761
Thomas born abt 1734 & died in South Africa 1762
Ann listed in will alive in 1762 and single
Then perhaps
John Perry, was a brother to the Thomas Perry that married Ann or is he another son of Thomas & Ann?
This means like I thought that Thomas Perry that married Ann would be born around 1700 and I assume this is the son of another Thomas Perry, the one from Gloucestshire said to be born there and gone to Cambridge Uni abt 1692 (although he is not listed at Cambridge, one assumes the uni list not complete)
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The eldest son and heir (of Sir Thomas Leigh and Alice Barber), Rowland Leigh, esq. of ... and, thirdly, Joan, daughter of Thomas Perry, esq. of the city of Gloucester, and had Thomas Perry born 23rd December, 1674 of the University of Cambridge, says he died in 1688, that does not make sense as he would have to be at least 18, to have been in the Cambridge uni. I think this Thomas Perry, 1674 has a son Thomas Perry of Cambridge, who in turn has Thomas Perry that married Ann & John Perry the cap maker 1750
Theories & further info appreciated :)
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Could this be our Thomas?
Marriage
Thomas. Perry, of Newmarket, s. M., 23 years, & Ann Reeve, of Soham, s. W., 22 years. 01 May 1724.
Puts him Born in Newmarkert Cambridge 1701, but who was his father?
The 1727 baptism of Ann fits nicely for the above couple
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also found this
See Thomas Perry, master from Newmarket Cambridge, with apprentice John Perry 1725
If the above Thomas Perry is the one that married in 1724 Ann Reeve, then John Perry must be his brother?
Or is this the father of Thomas Perry, tailor and John Perry?
Can any one check Cambridge apprentice records for further on this, and see if we can identify how many generations of Thomas Perrys we have here? And how John Perry, the Cap maker 1750 fits to which Thomas Perry?
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I can't see the 1724 marriage of Thomas Perry and Ann Reeve in Cambridgeshire, however he would fit a Thomas Perry baptised at Cheveley (4 miles from Newmarket) in 1701, son of George. Another son of George, a John Perry was baptised there in 1703.
Selina
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.....the one from Gloucestshire said to be born there and gone to Cambridge Uni abt 1692 (although he is not listed at Cambridge, one assumes the uni list not complete)
I assume Alumni Cantabrigienses is as complete as the college records allow. I don't know the criteria for inclusion in the book but if an undergraduate died before graduating would he have been included?
Looking quickly through the book there are numerous references to admissions to Cambridge at ages younger than 18 c1685. The youngest I could see was 15 but that was a 2 minute check - a more detailed check might throw up ages younger than 15.
But I think you've misread and misquoted Burkes
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The eldest son and heir (of Sir Thomas Leigh and Alice Barber), Rowland Leigh, esq. of ... and, thirdly, Joan, daughter of Thomas Perry, esq. of the city of Gloucester, and had Thomas Perry born 23rd December, 1674 of the University of Cambridge, says he died in 1688, that does not make sense as he would have to be at least 18, to have been in the Cambridge uni. I think this Thomas Perry, 1674 has a son Thomas Perry of Cambridge, who in turn has Thomas Perry that married Ann & John Perry the cap maker 1750
The subject of your quote was William LEIGH, who married thirdly Joan PERRY daughter of Thomas PERRY of Gloucester. Their son Thomas born 23 Dec 1684 was not Thomas Perry as you quote, but rather must have been Thomas LEIGH. Which blows up your theory in the last sentence above.
So Thomas PERRY b 1674 wasn't listed in Alumni Cantabrigienses because his name wasn't PERRY, it was LEIGH
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Ok that counts out that 1674 connection. But where did Thomas Perry that married 1724 come from?
And how about the Thomas Perry with an apprentice named John Perry in 1725 where did he come from? They are definately in Cambridge.
I think
Thomas Perry, master, has two sons
Thomas Perry who became a tailor that married Ann
John Perry alive 1725 who became a cap maker
I'd like to know of anyway I can trace the master Thomas Perrys family. The 1725 apprentice record is listed on ancestry.com
further help appreciated
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But where did Thomas Perry that married 1724 come from?
See Selina's reply #6 below
Where did you find his 1724 marriage and where did it take place?
You say: if you google "Thomas Perry" 1658 Cambridge you will find an article that says he was bankrupt in 1658 - I have, it produces 4290 hits. We don't usually work like that. If you give us the url of the site you've found we can find it quickly.
There's been a lot of speculating, flights of fancy, and assuming, much of which has been easily disproved. Which of these Perrys is the most recent where you have proven facts? Then you can work backwards logically a generation at a time, rather than shooting off three generations earlier on wild goose chases into Gloucestershire.
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Hi all
I feel that the births that Selina found maybe the correct ones
"Thomas Perry baptised at Cheveley (4 miles from Newmarket) in 1701, son of George. Another son of George, a John Perry was baptised there in 1703"
Selina can you list the full baptism dates? Is there a marriage for George Perry and other info? Are there further children to him?
Proven I have definately got in my line:
John Perry, son of Thomas Perry of Cambridge, first maker of jockey caps and hunting caps and what are called Newmarket coats for gentlemen and ladies
The fact that John calls them Newmarket coats suggests he is from Newmarket. Definitely says he is son of Thomas Perry of Cambridge.
Assumption is Thomas Perry of Cambridge is the one born 1701
The 1724 comes from ancestry.com and is exactly written as shown here
Marriage
Thomas. Perry, of Newmarket, s. M., 23 years, & Ann Reeve, of Soham, s. W., 22 years. 01 May 1724.
It seems Ann was from Suffolk, Thomas was from Newmarket, (and I assume the one in Cambridge)
as Selina wrote Newmarket only 4 miles from Cheveley I feel the dates perfectly fit
Not to mention the 1725 apprentice John Perry to master Thomas Perry, perhaps being a tailor
So appreciate if we can work on this assumption trying to find more on George Perry of Cheveley and his family
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also from ancestry.com
Name: Thomas Perry Dates: 1751-1775 Location: Cambridge Occupation: taylor clothing(m) Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): Cambridge
Occupation:
Occupation(s): taylor, clothing(m)
personal notes:
Notes: Bankrupt
Source Date: November, 1758 Source Info:
Gentleman's Magazine, November, 1758
Has anyone got access to the Gentleman's Magazine and could check for Perry's in it 1700 - 1762?
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You said originally he was bankrupt in 1658. Now you say 1758. Which is correct?
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opps sorry 1758 is correct, I must have been typing to fast
Now I found a marriage
Sarah Perry born abt 1695? m 7th Jan 1713 to Thomas Tweed
Married in Cheveley
She died abt 1733 in Cheverley
and I wonder could Sarah be a sister of Thomas and John all children of George?
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This is just a possible link for George Perry that I found on ancestry, what is the likely hood it is the correct George??
George Perry bp 21 JAN 1670/71 in Steeple Morden, Cambridgeshire, England
He is listed as son of George Perry and a Mary Saby, they had the following children
1. Mary Perry b. 1663
2. John Perry b. 1665
3. Thomas Perry b. 1669
4. George Perry b. 1670 as mentioned
5. Henry Perry b. 1672
6. Elizabeth Perry b. 1675
The above 6 were all born in Steeple Morden, Cambridgeshire, England is this far from Cheveley?
I am not entirely sure the above George Perry born in 1670 would be the one having children in Cheveley around 1700, can anyone prove or disprove the possibility?
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The above 6 were all born in Steeple Morden, Cambridgeshire, England is this far from Cheveley?
Have you tried Google maps? 35 miles
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Sarah Perry born abt 1695? m 7th Jan 1713 to Thomas Tweed
Married in Cheveley
She died abt 1733 in Cheverley
and I wonder could Sarah be a sister of Thomas and John all children of George?
Anything on the LDS site that says "about" means that whoever submitted the entry simply doesn't know. So whilst the 1713 marriage is OK, being taken from an extracted entry on the IGI, her birth and death are nothing more than speculation. She might be a sister of John and Thomas, daughter of George, but there's no baptism on the IGI. On the other hand she might have been a 60 year old widow when she married in 1713.
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Hi all
Selina can you list the full baptism dates?
They're extracted onto the IGI at www.familysearch.org
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Agree that Sarah Perry may not be because as you say she could have been a widow remarrying.
I think 35 miles is not that far and it is a definite possible that George Perry of Cheveley could have been born in 1670 in Steeple Morden, perhaps his spouse was born in Cheveley so he went to Cheveley to live after he married?
Proof would be great but I'd be surprised to find it
Can anyone see any other possible births for George in Cambs just bef 1680?
Or provide a marriage record for George Perry?
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I think that Steeple Morden and Cheveley being on opposite sides of the county makes it unlikely that this is the right George. There are two burials of a George Perry in Steeple Morden - 24 Apr 1702 and 16 Sep 1706, possibly the father and son that you found.
Bear in mind that Newmarket is in Suffolk, not Cambridgeshire, so you need to be looking in Suffolk too. Thomas and Anne Perry baptised a son George in Newmarket in 1736, which may, or may not, be relevant.
If Mary Sabey was from Cheveley they'd have probably married there, rather than in Steeple Morden. But Sabey was a western Cambs name, with virtually no occurrences in the eastern side of the county. Most Sabeys, including some of my ancestors, were from Bedfordshire, adjoining Cambs to the west.
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As bedfordshire boy says the two Cheveley bapts are on familysearch -
Thomas Perry 8 Sept 1801 and John Perry 15 Aug 1703.
There was a George Perry buried at Cheveley on 28 July 1708, no details.
The Sarah Perry that married Thomas Tweed on 7 January 1713 was a widow and he was a widower.
There are later Perrys in Cheveley but those are all that appear of possible use to you.
I can't see a suitable Cambs marriage for George Perry (or for a John Perry).
Also as bb says, Newmarket is partly in Suffolk. I used to be told that the county line ran up the centre of the main street, don't know how true that is/was!
However there are two Churches in Newmarket, they are on opposite sides relative to the High Street and I believe St. Mary's is regarded as being in Suffolk with All Saints being in Cambs. So I think it would be a good idea if you can find someone to check St. Mary's parish registers for you, also St. Agnes at Exning.
A quick search on http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ brings up a reference to Thomas Perry of Cambridge bankrupt in the Ipswich Journal on Sat 18 November 1758.
You might want to read some of the last comments about the site on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,569027.0.html
before you subscribe.
Selina
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See http://www.rootschat.com/links/0i22/
a reference to Thomas Perry.
This record was dated 1775 but the man who is the subject of the document, a Nicholas Aungier, is aged 64 so imagine that the information is about his apprenticeshire quite some years previously.
Click on <Prev to see another mention of Thomas on Record 2.
Selina
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Good find Selina. The dates would tie up with Thomas baptised in 1701
The fact that Thomas is described as tailor and capmaker adds weight to John in London capmaker to royalty, being his son.
David
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Just looking on Ancestry, there are a couple of references that relate - not sure about copyright so won't put them on here!
Under "Suffolk, England Extracted Parish Records". Search for Thomas Perry, there are two where under 'Place' Newmarket is mentioned, those look applicable.
Selina
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On the link http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Talks of Thomas Perry and his brother 1762, I am trying to find the article but have to go through the whole newspaper to find it:
The Ipswich Journal
Page 1, 3, 4 Miscellaneous
The Ipswich Journal
Sat 10 Jul 1762
Suffolk, England
S W e» {&*_?* t M ifi*d, (Price bound Five Shillings) U.RMONS on various Subjefls, with a Hymw adapted to
6176 Words
“ alled Newmarket Great Coats j he being a Proficient in the whole by being with his Brother, the faid Thomas Perry, at his firft inventing them . many Years ago I Having done all Bufmefs ia the Time of his long Illnefs for nine Months, aad having giv ... ?
The other two apprentice mentioned I agree these men will have been apprentices to Thomas Perry pre 1762
Newmarket is confusing being between Suffolk and Cambs but I am sure there are Perry's there. SOG may have bdm for them. I note the familysearch.org site is not complete. As I had a researcher search for other ancestors of mine in Suffolk, he found many names not even shown online anywhere. So I may contract that researcher to search Newmarket and Cheverley
I'll keep looking at all the links everyone is kindly providing as there is bound to be more info
Thanks for all the help thus far
The two George Perry's burials could be infant sons of any other of the Perry's in Cheveley so I am not ruling out that 1670 baptism either
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It looks to me that Thomas Perry the tailor of Newmarket had sons John and Thomas who were both born at Newmarket and both went to Bury School.
Possibly also daughter Ann.
When John was admitted to Bury School in 1736 Thomas senior was still of Newmarket but by the time Thomas junior went to Bury in 1745 Thomas senior was of Cambridge which narrows down his movement from one town to the other a bit.
Selina
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The 1762 article says Thomas Perry of Trumpington Street, in Cambridge Newmarket, but late of Cambridge, being deceased
Sarah Tweed is related to Thomas as Joseph Tweed and Sarah Watkins a daughter as well as Ann Perry another daughter of the said Thomas Perry esq
I have seen Watkins name in the will of John Perry the cap maker
Joseph Tweed was also a cap maker and tailor with Thomas Perry
John Perry had a shop in the Strand and a room at the Queens palace as he made hats for her
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What dates do you have for your John Perry, just out of interest.
Was he the brother of Thomas senior or Thomas junior?
Selina
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Hi Selina
Ok I think John Perry is the one born in 1703.
I have him as apprentice to Thomas Perry of Newmarket in 1725
Next I find his business advertisement in the book I mentioned earlier in this posting. That book gives a date of 1750 at which point John Perry has his shop at #93 The Strand in London, as cap maker\\\ son of Thomas Perry of Cambridge
Name: John Perry Dates: 1751-1775 Location: London Occupation: merchant commerce(s) Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): Opposite Southampton Street, Strand, London
Occupation:
Occupation(s): merchant, commerce(s)
Ancestry gives from 1763 John Perry #88 The Strand and Cap Maker to The Queen (I am not sure if #88 and #93 are the same premises due to a number change
Name: John Perry Dates: 1751-1775 Location: London Title: cap maker to her Majesty Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): Strand, Opposite Southampton Street, London
Office Holdings:
Other Office(s): cap maker to her Majesty
Source Date: 1763
Voting
Surname
PERRY< no role >
Forename JOHN
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand Street STRAND
Vote Fox
From 1780-01-01 To 1780-12-31
Surname PERRY < no role >
Forename JOHN
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand Street STRAND
Rack Rental Value 40
From 1784-01-01 To 1784-12-31
Surname PERRY
Forename JOHN
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand Street STRAND
Occupation UMBRELLA MKR
Vote Fox From 1790-01-01 To 1790-12-31
Note he made caps and umbrellas at this period
This should be his son at the same address
Surname PERRY< no role >This name instance is in set 1694
Forename SAMPSON
Parish St Clement Danes and St Mary-le-Strand
Street STRAND
Occupation SURGEON
Vote Percy and Clinton
From 1774-01-01 To 1774-12-31
St Clement Danes Parish:
Minutes of Parish Vestries
CD | MV
17th September 1767 - 18th October 1776
Currently Held: WC
LL ref: WCCDMV362030185
Image 185 of 504 1st May 1770
Dutchy Side
Mr. John Perry of the Strand Cap maker
Will of John Perry, 1791
TNA ref PROB11/1206
mentions
I give and bequeath to my Niece Mrs Elizabeth Watkins, Widow, of my late Nephew John Lake Watkins, the Silver Watch which formerly belonged to the said John Lake Watkins,
And I also give and bequeath unto her, the said Elizabeth Watkins, the Six China Plates, Punch Bowl and Mug, and the Prints or Pictures which respectively belonged to her previous to her Marriage with my said late Nephew.
Watkins is mentioned in the 1762 newspaper article
I give and bequeath unto my said Sister Elizabeth Perry my Gold Watch with the Chain and two Gold Seals, the one being my own Coat of Arms and the other the Head of Jingo Jones, and also a Gold enamelled Mourning Ring to be purchased for her by my Executors.
On this baptism we fin a signature of John Perry, William Perry being another son who has an academy in Kelso and who later went on to write Perry's dictionary 1805, he was also a surgeon in the navy.
26/03/1774 PERRY MARY WILLIAM PERRY/ELIZABETH F KELSO/ROXBURGH
Morning Post and Daily Advertiser (London, England), Saturday, June 25, 1791
By Messrs. HUMBLE and HENDERSON,
On the Premises, This Day, and Monday next, at
Eleven o'Clock,
All the Genuine HOUSEHOLD FURNI-
TURE, Linen, China, Books, &c. of
Mr. JOHN PERRY,
Cap and Umbrella-maker to her Majesty, deceased,
At No 88, opposite Southampton-street, Strand.
The furniture comprises Four-post and Settee Bedsteads
and Furniture, Feather Beds and Bedding, two green
mixed Damask Festoon Curtains; Chimney and Pier
Glasses; Mahogany Chests of Drawers, Chairs, Dining
and Card tables; Bed and Table Linen; a Copper, and
Kitchen Furniture.
To be viewed the Morning of Sale, and Catalogues to
be had on the Premises, and of the Auctioneers, Corner
of Bedford-street, Strand
General Evening Post (London, England), June 11, 1791 - June 14, 1791
The Right Hon. the Earl of Harcourt, Master of the Horse to the Queen, has been pleased to appoint Mr Thomas Hawkes, of Piccadilly, Cap-Maker to her Majesty's Household, in the room of Mr John Perry, deceased.
The above two newspaper clips were posted in a London rootschat posting of mine
Name: John Perry Dates: 1776-1800 Location: London Occupation: cap maker umbrella maker clothing(m) toy making(m) Gender: Male Address:
Address(Es): 88, Strand, London
Occupation:
Occupation(s): cap maker, clothing(m)
umbrella maker, toy making(m)
Source Date: 1791 Source Info:
Ok I need to start searching more newspapers, are there any marriages for John Perry in Newmarket or surrounding areas?
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This is the 1758 article spotted by bedforshire boy
The Ipswich Journal
Page 1 Article
The Ipswich Journal
Sat 18 Nov 1758
Suffolk, England
BANKRUPTS
53 Words
“ UPTS. Thomas Perry, of the Town of Cambridge, Taylor; to farrmder on the aift and 24th Days of November inibnt, and tbe 23d of De- cember next, at Guildhall, London. George Knowles, of Oic'vih ferd, Worcefterfhire, Mahfter. Jofeph Marfli, of the City ... ?
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This is the 1758 article spotted by bedforshire boy
Wasn't me!
Looks as though the OCR is pretty bad. I think it should probably read
Thomas Perry, of the Town of Cambridge, Taylor; to surrender on the first and 24th Days of November inst, and the 23d of December next, at Guildhall, London. George Knowles, of ???, Worcestershire, Master. Joseph Marfli, of the City ...
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my apologies, someone posted how to find that 1758 article, so thanks. Sadly apart from that and the 1762 I can't see any other articles. Has anyone got access to the Gentleman's Magazine pre 1762? to look for Perrys?
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I can't find a suitable marriage for John Perry in Cambridgeshire, you might try Suffolk.
The bankruptcy of Thomas Perry is reported in quite a few papers, all the same content though. The sale of John's goods is in a couple but just as you already have.
(17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers from the Gale Collection).
The only bit I have seen that you haven't mentioned is the notice by his executor in The London Gazette Issue 13331 2nd August 1791 - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search. Thomas/bankrupt in Issue 9866 and 9842.
Selina
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The two George Perry's burials could be infant sons of any other of the Perry's in Cheveley Steeple Morden so I am not ruling out that 1670 baptism either
Quite right. But you need to check the burial entries to see what is said. The only way to resolve speculation is to check the original documents
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Yes looks like I need to get the OPR transcripts from the Society of Genealogists who have the parish records transcribed, this may take a while. But if anyone spots anything else in the meantime, please post it here. Cambridge should be proud to have jockey caps and hunting caps invented there!
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I share David's doubts about the Steeple Morden Perrys. I would check out some of the Suffolk parishes around Newmarket.
There are 5 George Perry references at S. Morden.
Bapts:
1638 Parents John and Constance
1671 Parents George and Mary
Marr:
1662 To Mary Saby as you already know
Bur:
1702 George sen.
1706 George
There are no further details for either of these burials.
Added - There are other mentions of the 2 Georges at the baptisms of their children, I have just given those relating directly to their own life events.
Selina
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Hi I think Suffolk is the key but I can't find any suitable entries on line, will have to get access to the OPR, thanks for everyone's help thus far.
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As previously shown
Thomas Tweed in 1713 m Sarah Perry, both of them being widows.
It seems Joseph Tweed was a son of Thomas Tweed via his first wife
In 1762 the newspaper article says Thomas Perry and Joseph Tweed were brothers.
Here is what I think, Sarah Perry who married 1713 Thomas Tweed, Sarah was actually the widow of George Perry of Cheveley. This makes sense by placing Joseph Tweed and Thomas Perry as brothers.
It would mean George Perry of Cheveley died abt 1712 but bef 1713.
Thomas Tweed was a tailor and taught the Perry boys the trade
Does anyone have a baptism for Joseph Tweed?
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Joseph son of Thomas (sen) and Sarah Tweed was baptised at Cheveley on 27th December 1814.
Unfortunately does not mention the trade of Thomas.
Selina
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hi, if john perry was a master jockey cap maker you could try the horse racing museum in newmarket, they might have some info on him,,,,,, nancy
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Good idea Nancy!
Just to clear up any possible date confusion - I should have given the date of the marriage of Sarah Perry and Thomas Tweed as 7 January 1713/14 as if you take into account the calendar change in 1752 it took place in 1714.
An Elizabeth Tweed wife of Thomas sen. was buried 14 August 1713 at Cheveley.
Selina
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Selina thanks for the baptism of Joseph Tweed. This is even better as Thomas Perry & Joseph Tweed have the same mother. So we can be sure George Perry died abt 1712. I am going to see if SOG has more BDM on this and will send my researcher there.
Hi Nancy, good idea on that racing museum, sadly they want 36GBP an hour for research, kind of on the steep side. I am trying to see if my researcher can go there and wave the 36GBP fee. If anyone knows this museum the address is NATIONAL HORSERACING MUSEUM, 99 HIGH ST, NEWMARKET, SUFFOLK, CB8 8JH. Maybe someone closer can pop in there and ask about Thomas Perry, Joseph Tweed and especially John Perry first maker of Jockey caps.
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The George Perry that was buried at Cheveley in 1708 which I mentioned in reply #20 is the only George Perry burial in the Cheveley parish register.
Selina
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The George Perry that is buried 1708 I think this has to be the father of Thomas and John.
Selina, here is another piece to the puzzle
In 1762 the newspaper says Thomas Perry's daughter is Sarah Watkins, in 1791 John Perry says his nephew is a John Lake Watkins who was already deceased and his widow was named Elizabeth.
Can you find the spouses name for Sarah Perry ? Watkins and a possible marriage for them? Also possible baptism of John Lake Watkins?
In his will John Perry mentions another nephew
I direct my Executors to pay to my Nephew, Mr John Price, Mariner in his Majestys Navy, the Sum of Twenty Pounds which I have of his in my Custody
As yet I don't know how John Price fits in. There must also be a Perry & Price connection, can u locate possible parents of John Price? Thanks
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On the racing museum site, I found this text and you can bet the 1783 black cap was made by John Perry
The Royal colours have undergone little alteration over more than two centuries as can be seen by those of Queen Elizabeth II which closely resemble the crimson waistcoat, purple sleeves and black cap worn registered by the Prince of Wales in 1783.
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There is a marriage of Sarah Perry to John Watkins in 1759 at St. Michael's Church, Cambridge. The parish register is online on FreeReg http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=660116eg
John was from St. Jame's, Clerkenwell
Witnesses were Ann Perry and Geo Perry.
There is one query on this however, FreeReg gives date as 1 January 1759 whereas P.R. transcript gives it as 21 January.
Selina
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That is one more solved, thanks Selina, now we just need to find John Price and his Perry connection.
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Have you tried posting on the Suffolk board to see if anyone has the parish register for St. Mary's, Newmarket?
Of course John Price could have been related to John Perry via John Perry's wife if he was married.
Selina
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This is a possible
John Perry, of Newmarket, co. Cambs., s. m., & Sarah Buckle, of same, s. w., at Kennett. 21 Oct 1736.
I don't understand the John Perry burial for Bury School why it has a note saying "foreigner"
I think I have Perry postings in Suffolk already
It might be John Perry had two wives, the 2nd's Christian name being Mary
What Sarah Perry burials are there about 1739?
There should be children of John and Sarah in 1730s
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I have no idea about the 'foreigner' bit - it says the same for Thomas Perry's entry.
Without knowing more about the documents concerned I think care needs to be taken as to what the 'Book - burials' indicates, both John and Thomas have that. Other records have rather strange 'Books', for instance the John Perry/Sarah Buckle marriage that you found is in the Suffolk: Sudbury Marriage Licences 1684-1754 collection but the Book is The Hearth Tax. Charles 2nd.
Re that marriage - it is not listed in the Cambs Marriage Index nor does it appear in the register of St. Nicholas, Kennett. Where it says 'at Kennett' - could that possibly mean that Sarah Buckle was of the parish of Newmarket but was at Kennett at the time the licence was obtained?
If you recall I could not find the marriage of Thomas Perry and Ann Reeve in Cambs either and as that was also in the Suffolk: Sudbury Marriage Licence collection I think you should try and check out if they all got married in that area.
Selina