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Hi All
Having knocked over a few bricks in the hubby's Jones connections ;D
I now have some missing Walthew's in Chester in 1841. They are there as clear as day in 1851, but still ... ..
1851 census Chester St Oswald, Frodsham Street
HO 107/2172 folio 66 pg 22
Samuel Walthew; head; mar; 40; shoemaker; Backford
Elizabeth do; wife; mar; Carnarvon, Bangor
Abel do; son; 16; porter; Sutton
Mary do; dau; 11; Chester
Samuel do; son; 9; Chester
A trawl of the Cheshire Parish Records database & also the LDS records search gives:
Baptism of Emma Walthew dau Samuel & Elizabeth, shoemaker, St Olave's Street, Chester at St Olave's 29th Nov 1837 - she must have died?
Baptism of Samuel Walthew son Samuel & Elizabeth, shoemaker, Barker's Lane, Chester at St John's 21st Dec 1841
Can't find baptism for Mary
Can anyone find them - I'm sure they will have been mistranscribed ::)
Many thanks
SandraC
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Hi Sandra
Is this them in 1841??.....
HO107/Piece 129/Folio 8/Page 5
Transcribed as Wathew...
Sarah :)
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Hi
It looks like the right family -
On the Cheshire Parish Register Database there's a burial in 1844 for a Samuel Walthew age 2 in St Johns Chester and the address is Union Street -same as on the 1841 census.
Emma's burial is there too - in 1839.
Sandra - you may already have this information but there's a marriage on this site too for Samuel Walthew(shoemaker) and Elizabeth Dunn on 14th August 1831.
Possibly his parents marriage too ?- Samuel Walthew and Mary Dunn on 23rd June 1803.
Their children from 1804(Mary) to 1824(Rebekah- when mother Mary is a widow).
Burials for a few of their children and for Samuel senior in 1824.
Regards
Neptune
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Sorry -
I meant Mary Jones(not Mary Dunn)
Neptune
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Hi Neptune & Sarah
Thanks for the find - knew it would be a mistranscribe or similar ;D
Sorry not to come back sooner - the site is not sending me messages re emails currently :(
I had the marriages, thanks - I was so pleased to get a generation back from Eleanor Jones daughter of Reece Jones & Mary Walthew to Mary's parents, only to find another JONES ::)
It also seems from the later census' that Elizabeth Dunn was Welsh too, so I'm left wondering if Mary Jones was Welsh & in any way connected to Reece Jones or Elizabeth Dunn, although I suppose that Chester would be an obvious place for lots of Welsh immigrants to start in England before moving to Liverpool or elsewhere.
At least I'm making progress, if very slowly!
I'm confused about the small Samuels as there appear to be at least 3 - one born 1833 (can't find baptism yet) & died 1839; one born 1841 (have baptism) - is this the one buried in 1844 aged 2? & another one b abt 1851 on the 1861 census aged 10 & subsequently, BUT on 1851 census is a Samuel aged 9 who ought to be dead & replaced with one aged < 1 year? Very confusing, so I might have to do some more digging.
Thanks
SandraC
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Hi again
Yes - there seems to be a few young Samuels to sort.
I wasn't sure who was who.
Just in case you haven't seen this site - there's a searchable database for Overleigh cemetery Chester which has burials for Elizabeth Walthew(wife of Samuel)and Mary Walthew(wife of Samuel).
Apologies if you already have this information.
It's possible to search by grave numbers as well.
http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/Overleigh/Home.htm
Regards
Neptune
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Hi Neptune
Thanks for the burials link - I use the Chester site but hadn't seen that bit
Great ;D
Cheers
SandraC
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Hi Sandra
Sorry to go back abit.
This is about the Walthew connection.
I think the "Abel Walthew" referred to in one of your earlier posts may be "Absalom Walthew" born about 1837, married 1857.
There was also a william Walthew who married Eliza L (Elizabeth) Jones about 1833 in Anglesey. William was born in Holyhead but there is no other record for him from the time period.
there doesn't seem to be any children. Eliza died in 1877 and in the land registration of the 1870's is lised as owning 22 acres in holyhead. This probably came to her from her father . It may be worth seeing if there is a link to the other jones's marrying into the walthews about this time.
As regards there are Hollands married into and from the Walthews from the 1600'sin and around Wigan, Standish, Upholland and Ince.
There is a marriage in the earlier 1800's and the name is carried down as "Elizabeth holland walthew"
If you have anything on Abel and/or absalom I would be grateful
Edward W
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I have now established fairly confidently the Walthews of Backford leading through Absalom/Abel into the 20 Th centuryThe current genration when last I contacted them are in Wales.
I am not sure if there is any link to the William Walthew, surgeon abt 1806 - 1872
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This is an old post but it just came up when I googled the name of Elizabeth Holland Walthew. This lady was married to a man, called Adolphus William Bodill who I believe was my g grandfather & who was transported in 1846 to Tasmania in Australia. He was transported for 14 years for dealing in stolen goods (watches). They had been married on 03.12.1833 & had I believe 5 children. I think that Elizabeth remarried to some one called Lysaght after Adolphus was sent to Australia. I have good reason to believe that Adolphus met my g grandmother when he was working for her in Hobart. I also think that he absconded in 1851 as this was just 2 months before my g grandfather was born. Do you have any information on Elizabeth who was left behind to raise the children?
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Hi
Just had a quick look -
Possible marriage-
Free BMD - Edward Lysaght to Elizabeth Holland Bodell 1857 West Derby Liverpool
Lancashire BMD Edward Lysaght to Elizabeth H Bodill or Walthew(2 entries) 1857 St Mary's Kirkdale
In 1861 Elizabeth Lysaght is living in Birkenhead Cheshire(over the water from Liverpool)- she is with two of her children Kate and Adolphus(Bodell). Elizabeth is a schoolmistress.
In 1851 some of the children are living with their grandmother Eleanor (her surname transcribed as Matthew) in Liverpool.
In 1841 the family are living in Scotland
I'm just on my way out but will have another look for you later and can you more details of the census.
Hope this helps
Neptune
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:D Thank you, Neptune. This is very much appreciated, ta. I will copy & paste this to my records. It is interesting to note that Elizabeth's children moved in with her mother. That is comforting to know that they had a home after their father was sent away so suddenly to Australia (never to return unless under an alias). It is also fresh news about Elizabeth, that she was a school teacher. There is an article in the news about the bankruptcy of Adolphus's partner. This would not have made life easy for him & obviously why he started a life of crime. Thank you again, so much. :D
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I just tried to attach an article here but couldn't, about an article taken from a Glascow newspaper re Adolphus's partner going bankrupt in 1842. They had an oil & colour business. So yes, this confirms that they or at least he, was living in Glasgow. Thanks for this. :D
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Hi again
1871
Elizabeth Lysaght widow age 58 Lodginghouse Keeper 21 Sandon Pl? Liverpool
Adolphus Bodell age 26 clerk
Helen Drew age 17 servant
Laura MD Sausman Boarder and two lodgers
1881
Adolphus Bodill age 36 Cotton broker 137 Bebington Road Wirral
Elizabeth Lysaght Mother age 68
Margaret Procter age 19 visitor
Mary Jane Hughes age 21 General Servant
Cheshire BMD
Death 1890 Elizabeth Holland Lysaght age 77 Tranmere Birkenhead
Death 1916 Adolphus Bodill age 71 Tranmere Birkenhead
Marriage 1871 Kate Bodill to William Butler St Peters Rock Ferry Birkenhead
Marriage 1881 Adolphus Bodill to Margaret L Procter St Andrews Bebington
Regards
Neptune
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A belated thank you Neptune. I only just saw your last post here when I logged on to view the information that you previously posted. Many thanks again!