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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Doddie on Sunday 27 November 11 21:54 GMT (UK)
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Would like to hear from any relations of Thomas Edward Angus Allan Shaw and his wife Mary (maiden name Jackson) - my g g. aunt. Thomas (1850-1930) and Mary (1853-1909) were both born in Argyllshire, Scotland. Thomas's father John was a farmer. Mary's father, also John, was a shoe maker. Thomas and Mary moved to the north of England and were married in Newcastle in 1880. Thomas then established himself in business as a draper in the Durham area. Thomas and Mary went on to have the following children: John (1882), Neil (1883), Albion(?) Mary (1883), Thomas Alex. (1886), Alison May (188?), Flora Jane (1888), Allan (1895) and Finlay (1898). Would like to know what happened to the children. Also, relating to the link below, wondering if anybody knows what may have happened to Mary's elder brother Finlay. Hoping somone might have some anecdotal information. that could help me solve this particular brick wall.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,379117.0.html
Regards
Doddie
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Would like to know what happened to the children
Have you checked freebmd for marriages/deaths
Have you checked the 1911 census for an update on them
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It seems Albion Mary 1883 and Alison May 188? are the same person
Here are the birth reg's FreeBMD (if you have correct y.o.b. then it is easier to find death reg's
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Birth reg's -all in Sunderland reg district
John Malcolm Shaw Jun qtr 1881 10a 714
Alison May Shaw mar qtr 1883 10a 602
Thomas Alexander Shaw Sept qtr 1885 10a 593
Flora jane Shaw Jun qtr 1887 10a 617
Neil Shaw Sept qtr 1890 10a 649
Allan Shaw Dec qtr 1894 10a 641
Finlay Shaw Dec qtr 1897 10a 643
Flora jane and Neil are not at home with parents 1901-so maybe you should start by looking for them in 1901 census -or death reg's??
Looks like Neil died
Death reg FreeBMD Neil Shaw age 1 Dec qtr 1891 Sunderland 10a 441
Suz
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Finlay Shaw born 19 SEP 1897, (source RAF Officer Records). Then 2nd Lt. (in which service??) and on 1 May 1919 he left service. Birth registered Sunderland Dec Qtr. 1897). 1901/1911 Censuses living in Sunderland. Finlay Shaw (35) married 4 OCT 1932 to Jean Paterson (30) first marriage for both, Calcutta, Bengal India. Fathers - Thomas Edward Alexander (sic) Allan Shaw and Robert Paterson.
The following were born/baptized to Thomas Edward Angus Allan Shaw/Mary all in Monkwearmouth, Sunderland.
John Malcolm Shaw bap. 17 MAR 1881, (St. Peter's - only bap. so indicated)
Allison May Shaw born 18 JAN 1883, bap. 25 FEB 1883
Thomas Alexander Shaw born 6 AUG 1885, bap. 6 SEP 1885.
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It seems Albion Mary 1883 and Alison May 188? are the same person
Albion Mary is the Ancestry transcription of this:
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Finlay Shaw is mentioned in the London Gazette Supplement 13 June 1946. He and many others both British and Indians were given various degrees of the "Knight Grand Cross", The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. Finlay Shaw, Workshop Engineer, The Madras Electric Tramway Company Limited and lately Honorary Rescue Officer of the ARP, Madras. Page 2793, Supplement to the London Gazette, 13 JUN 1946. King George VI, Birthday Honours. The Indians complained about the company repatriating profits back to Britain and in 1953 the tramway was closed. Finlay may had left India then.
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Your Albion looks like Allison to me
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Thanks to all for your replies. I think I need to give my brain a rest. Can't possibly think where I got the 'Albion Mary' entry from. It is quite clearly Alison May. With information received I can make further progress investigating the Shaw family. Any more information is still most welcome. Thanks again.
Regards
Doddie
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Can't possibly think where I got the 'Albion Mary' entry from.
You must have got it from Ancestry - that's their transcription of Allison May in 1891 (reply #4)
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Finlay Shaw was a Cadet prior to being promoted to 2nd Lt. Royal Flying Corps, 1 OCT 1917. Supplement to London Gazette, page 11024, 26 October 1917. On 1 APR 1918. Finlay Shaw and all of the others in the RFC were transferred to the new RAF. However for a short time after the formation of the RAF, pre-RAF ranks such as Lieutenant, Captain and Major continued to exist, a practice which officially ended on 15 September 1919. Wikipedia. This explains how he was a 2nd Lt. when he left the RAF even though that was not officially a RAF rank.
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Hi there! Hoping you are still active on this site!
I am researching my family tree - and am stuck finding information on Flora McNeil (my great-great-great grandmother) who was married to a John Jackson who had the following children:
Margaret (my great-great grandmother who married Peter McCallum
George
Janet
Finlay
Flora
John
Mary
Jannet
Flory
We're connected somewhere...lol....
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Hi Villagemaid, I am indeed still alive and kicking. Can I just check something. You state in your post that your g.g.g. grandmother was Flora McNeil. Is this a typo? I presume the surname should be McNair. I recognise the other information. Your list of children is, if it is the same family as mine, sligtly wrong. I haven't got my notes with me at this very moment but there should at least be a James and Allan in that list. Also 'Flory' should read 'Flora'. Can I check that 'your' family comes from the Argyll area of Scotland - probaly 'Glassary' or 'Ardrishiag'/'Lochgilphead'. My family line comes down from George, a fisherman. Flora married John Jackson (a shoemaker) c. 1832. I have not been able to find a marriage cert. Flora died in 1884 in the Durham area probably while visiting her daughter (Mary) and Son-in-law (Thomas Shaw) - please refer to my original posting.
I am more than happy to share information in order to clarify whether we are related somewhere along the line. When I have been able to check my material at home I will be in a better situation to help you.
Regards
Doddie
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Gosh...yes, I meant McNair - I am always putting McNeill when I mean McNAIR....lol...no wonder I get stumped with my research!!!!
As I am going through my research, the 1841 census has only Margaret and George has the children. There is another census after that (but I didn't write down the year) that shows the other children. With records being at the mercy of the record taker, names could be altered - I'm sure Flory is Flora. You could also be looking at a census that is after the census I have and therefore the names James and Allen might be added.
The record of the marriage on May 28th, 1867 of Peter McCallum and Margaret Jackson (my great-great grandmother) says that Margaret's father was John Jackson (shoemaker). It has Margaret's mother as "Margaret McNair".....but the only wife I can find of a John Jackson (shoemaker) is the 1841 census saying his wife was Flora with a daughter Margaret. But the Margaret that married Peter has a death certificate that has her mother as Flora McNair Jackson.
So, I may be "barking up the wrong tree" with the names Flora and Margaret.
When you are able to get to your records it would be wonderful to cross-reference! Thank you!
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The following is some of the basic information I have about our Jackson relatives.
John Jackson (approx. 1812-1880) Shoemaker
Flora McNair (approx. 1812-1884)
Children
Margaret (1838-1911)
George (1840-1926). Fisherman. My g.g. grandfather. Married Isabella McAlpine in 1866.
Janet or Jessie (1842-1899)
Allan (1844-1874)
James (1845-1944). Fisherman. Known to the family by the name Yame. Quite a character apparently. Went blind in later life.
Coll (1847-1928). Coal merchant
John (1849-1850)
Finlay (1851-?). See below.
Mary (1853-1909). Married and settled down in Durham, England
Flora (1857-1915)
Finlay is a bit of a mystery. He last appears in the 1871 census, listed as a fisherman aged 19 and living with his parents. I have searched high and low for him but have found no further trace of him in Scotland or England (though I am not 100% sure of the English records). He may have gone abroad but again I have not come across any definite traces.
I have a copy of Margaret and Peter's marriage cert. from 1867. I am sure that the reference to her mother being Margaret is just a clerical error or some verbal confusion during the writing of the certificate. Please let me know if you want any more information and I will do my best to help.
Regards
Doddie
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That's great! Your g-g grandfather George was a brother to my g-g grandmother Margaret!
I believe (altho cannot confirm) that Flora McNair may have been born around 1816 as the census record from 1841 has her age as 25 (and John Jackson was 35). Margaret was 3 and George was 1. And be darn'ed if I know the area of the census! The page that I printed off doesn't have the area and the only thing I see is chicken scratch so can't read it!
I am wondering if they came from the Isle of Gigha, as Margaret and her husband (Peter McCallum) lived there at some point.
Just trying to get information on Flora McNair Jackson!!! But it's so tough! I am planning a trip to Scotland in August and hope to do some investigating! :)
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Margaret and Peter may well have lived on Gigha at some point in later life but Margaret and her siblings were born and brought up on the mainland in the county of Argyllshire on the west coast of Scotland. In the 1700s and up to roughly the early/mid 1800s (and perhaps later) the distict of Argyllshire in which they lived was referred to as Glassary. The main villages (though still relatively small at the time) would have been Lochgilphead, Ardrishaig and Tarbert. If you take a look at a map of the area, these places can be found by the banks of Loch Fyne. This location expains why fishing was for such a long period one of the primary industries in the area.
Regards
Doddie
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Thank you for that information!