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I am trying to find out information on my grandfather's parents and any other relatives. His name was Seymour Francis Frederick Skiff and he was in the Royal East Kent Yeomanry, regiment number 1567. He married Elsie Victoria Stephens/Stevens and had at least 13 children. One of whom was Patricia Marion Skiff born 27th August 1929 in Egypt. I would like to know where he is buried too. Thank you.
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The free 1911 entry shows a Seymour Skiff aged 15 living in Paddington London.
Using the Genes Reunited 1911 index shows his birthplace as London West
You will need to view the entry to find parent details etc - or use the instructions below
USING THE FREE 1911 INDEX TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT HOUSEHOLD
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
Once you find a possible match - make a note of the county and district in which the person was living
Return to the index and in PERSONAL DETAILS - just put the surname of the family - nothing else
In LOCATION - Select the county and below it - type in the district
In OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD - show the full name of the person you have found on the index
Click SEARCH
The 1911 census is strictly pay per view so you will have to buy credits to view the full entry - the above instructions will only help to possibly show others of the same surname in the same household
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Death
Seymour F Skiff aged 67 March qtr 1964 East Glamorgan 8b 394
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1901 for 28 Chilworth St Paddington indexed as Schiff and image is Schiff. All children born Paddington
Francis J 34 b London Victoria licensed victualler - pub
Sophy 29 b Essex
Frances 11
Florrie 9
Seymour 4
Roderick 1
plus staff
Susan Walton 19
Elizabeth Pearman 21
Elizabeth Fitzgerald 19
Lydia Duggan 36
RG13 Piece 15 Folio 128 Page 15
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Hi,
Birth
Seymour Francis F Schiff Oct-Dec 1896, Strand, London (Vol 1b 657)
Marriage
Seymour F F Skiff Jan-Mar 1920 Woolwhich, Kent to Elsie V Stephens (vol 1d 1921).
The certs should give you the info you need.
Sharon
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See replies above
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Deaths March qtr 1908
Francis Joseph Schiff aged 41 Paddington 1a 62
Marriages
Marriages June qtr 1895
Sophia Childs Strand 1b 1018a
Francis Joseph Schiff
Births March qtr 1866
Francis J Schiff Whitechapel 1c 413
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Seymour Francis Frederick Schiff born 6.8.1896 baptised 11.2.1900 Lancaster Gate Christ Church
Father Francis Joseph occ licensed victualler Mother Sophia
Same baptismal date and same parents - Roderick Montagu Leopold Schiff born 26.12.1899
20.4.1902 at St John´s Wood All Saints Cyril Stanley Schiff born 7.2.1902
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From FreeBMD
Saling/Soling/Saleng SCHIFF married Katherine MOSELY, Dec qtr 1846, London
1871 - RG10/522/6/6
16 Gt Alie St, Whitechapel
Saling SCHIFF, head mar 48, Cigar manufacturer employing 120 men & 32 boys, born Prussia, Wolstein (British subject)
Katherine SCHIFF, wife mar 44, born Middlesex, London
Moses SCHIFF, son unm 22, born ditto
Leopold SCHIFF, son unm 18, born ditto
Francis J SCHIFF, son 5, born ditto
+ some servants
Francis Joseph died 8 Jan 1908, probate 6 Feb to widow Sophy SCHIFF.
Ian C
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Well firstly thank you all so much for your prompt responses and the information CaroleW, Sharon01 and Ian. I had looked before (clearly not hard enough) and not been able to find anything, which I now know is due to the change of surname from Schiff to Skiff. I have now found a very large amount of information.
I have one more question to ask, to save me from going in the wrong direction. I thought that Sophy Child's was born in 1872 and her parents were Robert and Mary A Childs. However, on the record of her marriage to Francis J Skiff it says that she was born in1870 and her fathers name was Henry. Can someone please point me in the right direction with Sophy.
Once again, thank you very much.
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Oh and just one more question. You have kindly told me that Saling Schiff was born Wolstein, Prussia. Where is Wolstein? I have found a Holstein in Germany and a Holsten in Switzerland. Thank you.
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Have found on line tree shows a picture of headstone in West Ham Jewish Cemetery Buckingham Road of a Saling Schiff died 8/10/1887 also say's Mr Shalom bar Avrahom - it is all in hebrew.
Other information shows born c.1822 Holsten Lower Saxony Germany.
Jennifer
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I have one more question to ask, to save me from going in the wrong direction. I thought that Sophy Child's was born in 1872 and her parents were Robert and Mary A Childs. However, on the record of her marriage to Francis J Skiff it says that she was born in1870 and her fathers name was Henry. Can someone please point me in the right direction with Sophy.
Have you checked the 1881 census for her
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Freebmd has a Lizzie Sophia Childs b 1872 Epping
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Thank you very much Jennifer. I have found Jewish website with the headstone that you refer to and there is an abundance of information on there. Particularly for Katherine Schiff nee Mosely. I can now try and find out who Saling's parents were.
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Thank you very much Carole. I am fairly sure that I have found the right Sophia Childs born in Clapton in 1872 - as other family trees I have seen match with this. However the reference to a Henry being her father on her marriage records has confused me, along with her year of birth changing to 1870. She married Francis J Schiff (Skiff) in St Martin in the Field.
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I am fairly sure that I have found the right Sophia Childs born in Clapton in 1872
Clapton is not in Essex and that's where Sophy says she was born on the 1901 and 1911 census (as per GRU)
1881 shows parents as Robert & Mary A - not Henry
as other family trees I have seen match with this
Always be cautious when using info obtained by other researchers about the same FH.
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Thank you very much for your advice Carole. That is why I want to be sure as I don't want to spend hours researching the wrong family. I will have another look.
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There is only one Sophia Childs born in Essex around that time.
Sophia Childs Sep 1869 West Ham (vol 4a page 62).
Might be worth looking into.
Sharon
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I saw that birth but ruled it out as she is on the 1871 with parents Thomas & Martha
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Thank you both for your information. I will see if I can find out anything more.
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Hi James,My husbands maternal grandmother was Estella Constance van Lier(nee Schiff) born to Caroline Van Mentz and Abraham Schiff of Upper Clapton London in 1895. Abrahams parents were Saling and Katherine. Salings parents were Abraham and Ernestina. I have found the Schiff family lineage documented in Jewish Families of Fraakfurt am Main. Research family names Cahn- 1B,2a and Schiff - Abraham Moses Schiff b1786 d 1850 ,son of Moses Hertz b1751 d1815,son of Herz Joseph Schiff d1779,son of Joseph Moses Schiff,son of Moses, son of Meier, son of Uri Phoebus Cahn zum Wedel zum Schiff. Other branches of the family can be traced from this info and prominent Schiffs biographies are recorded in Jewish Encyclopedia.My husband has fond memories of is loving and gentle grandmother, Estella. I think Saling had two older brothers-Leopoldo and Louis and three younger sisters- Emma, Betsy and Amelia.Abraham had at least one cousin with the same name . He was the third of 10 children. Abraham and Caroline had 7 children . Estella was their 5th. Their eldest son Frederick died in France in 1918 and we visited his grave in Manancourt British Cemetry last year. I have more info ,mainly obtained from census records etc and I am interested in obtaining more verified data .Hope this helps, Jenny L (Australia)
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Hello Jenny. Yes, your information is fantastic. Thank you very much.
If you would like to have an invite to view my tree with the information I have so far, please send me a private message with your e-mail address.
Thanks again.
Paula
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I have seen messages regarding SALING SCHIFF. I am also a descendant of this gentleman. My daughter has done a lot about our family tree and we may have information you will find interesting. We have been to the Archives at Kew and seen Saling's naturalisation papers. we have also seen the information regarding his burial site, his wife is also buried there.
Dave8415
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Hi Dave, My husband David is another one of Salings great-great grandsons. David's mother was Caroline Ley(nee Van Leer) ,daughter of Estella Van Leer , daughter of Abraham and Caroline Schiff. Abraham Schiff was the son of Saling and Katherine Schiff. Do you have any information about the birth place or parents of Salings parents:- Abraham and Ernestina who migrated from Prussia? We are very interested in finding out more about this interesting family. Regards , Jennifer Ley