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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: HOLLYTREE on Saturday 26 November 11 16:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I have been using ancestry.co.uk website to trace my family. I am tracing the Thomas Sharland/Ann Haydon line. There seems to be two opinions on the father of John Haydon 1746 Crediton spouse Sarah Glandvill. Some go with father being Nathaniel Haydon 1700-1773 and some with John Haydon 1715 married to either Sarah Edwards or Rachel Edbury both 1715. Both of these men seem to go back to the same line i.e. Robert Haydon of Ottery St Mary 1595-1646.
I'm also really looking for confirmation that my 4th gt grandfather Thomas Sharland 1769-1851 Crediton was married to Ann Haydon 1772-1855 and she was in fact the daugher of John Haydon 1746. Thank you for any advice and help anyone has to offer, :D
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There is this marriage from extracted records on the IGI site (old version i hate the new layout)
Thomas Sharland to Ann Haydon 1st Apr 1794 at Stockleigh English Devon
Tazzie
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Thanks Tazzie, I didn't have any ref to their marriage so that's great to know, no clues about the other questions I suppose ?
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Having experienced Devon records myself, the best advice I can offer is for you to access the parish registers through the LDS. Devon records are not well represented online, and even through the LDS microfilm system, coverage can be scanty.
However, I see Crediton is covered with a microfilm of PR transcripts 1558-1843. Go to your nearest LDS family history centre, and they will guide you on how to order in the film.
Have you any confirmation on John Haydon being from Crediton? The IGI listing is only a submitted entry, and these should be treated with extreme caution. You probably need to confirm the Crediton connection before wading through a microfilm.
Darren
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Since the trees on Ancestry are only members submitted trees I would at this stage take both suggestions with a pinch of salt!
Crediton PR's are on familysearch for the relevant time period - although there are children listed there for both couples there are no John's for either couple in 1742 or 1746 as the trees suggest (there's one in 1739 to another couple). Note - none of the trees I looked at had baptism dates either. I suggest maybe a lot of guesswork here with trees being copied by others.
I think you need to do as pinefamily suggests and check for yourself. I suspect that John may have come from elsewhere.
Annette
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I see on familysearch that John Haydon and Sarag Glandvill married in Newton St Cyres.
That might be your first place to check, to see if it gives a parish for him.
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Thanks pinefamily and annette7 this is what I have managed to find on familysearch:
I have John Haydon as born 1746 but eventually found John Haydon baptised 8th Feb 1739 Crediton son (I think) of John Haydon 1715 baptised 25th Sept 1715 and Rachel Edbury 1715 marriage 30th Jan 1738.
Using familysearch I think this John Haydon married Sarah Glandvill (website states John and Rachel are parents) and these were Ann Haydon's parents.
John Haydon 1715 was baptised 25th Sept 1715 and has George Haydon and Mary listed as his parents.
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Because of the different parishes, you must treat that information with caution, especially those entries that are submitted. The entries that have the following: "Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date", are from original sources, and can be accepted as true. However, I would be cautious in selecting entries from different parishes without looking at the original records, because you might find that for example, the John Haydon baptised in 1739 in Crediton might turn out to be an infant death. Burials are mostly not on the IGI.
Now, I am not suggesting you aren't on the right track, but the sources need to be checked to verify your research.
Darren
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Hi Darren, thank you for your reply, after extensively searching George Haydon who was married in Crediton to Mary Ward on 16th Sept 1713 I can not find any record of baptism or christening anywhere in the country. Would it be normal to be married but not have a record of baptism at all ?
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I'm guessing you are referring to the IGI again. The IGI is not complete in years or parishes for every county. And this is even worse for Devon; something to do with the local church authorities not allowing the Mormons access to the records I think.
Your research with Devon is not going to be quick and easy, especially online. Are you familiar with the Genuki website? The Devon page has a lot of good information and links.
Not finding a baptism doesn't mean he wasn't baptised, just that the records for whichever parish he was baptised in aren't on the IGI.
Your options to confirm your research are either doing it yourself via your nearest LDS family history centre, or hiring a researcher to go to either the Devon Archives or the Westcountry Studies Library, both of which are in Exeter.
If you are unfamiliar with any of this, I can help you on the right direction.
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Hi again, I seem to have come to a dead end so think I could do with being pointed in the right direction please. Also as I live offshore I cannot visit places myself at this time, thank you :)
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Hollytree, if you look back at my last post on this thread, I suggested what I think is the best option for you.
When you say you "live offshore" what do you mean? That shouldn't stop you from being able to access the LDS records I mentioned.
This way is a little slower than using the internet, but just as much fun, I think. As I said before, I am more than happy to guide you through the process. :)
Darren
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By offshore I mean the Channel Islands so just not able to visit places as and when. Best option at the moment is hiring a researcher to help me would be very helpful, thanks
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Hi,
Have you seen details of the online indexes on the Devon Family History Society Website?
HTH,
Megran.
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Well I'm in Australia, so I'm more offshore than you! ;D
I don't suppose there is an LDS family history centre on any of the islands is there? Pardon my ignorance of course.
Otherwise, you may have to fork out for a researcher to go the Devon Archives or the Westcountry Studies Library. It is not normally a cheap exercise, and most charge by the hour (including travel time), so you would be best to find one in or near Exeter. The couple of times I have resorted to researchers, I got their names out of one of the family tree magazines; there are several that all have a section for researchers to advertise in. A tip from me is to not go for the bigger ads; the smaller ads do just as good a service.
What you need to do is to ask what are their fees, and what level of service they provide. Some charge extra for photocopies etc. Then you need to be very explicit in what you need them to do; provide as much information as you can. I f I were you, I would first get them to check the Newton St Cyres parish register for the marriage of John Haydon and Sarah Glandvill, and banns if any. These records could give John's home parish. And then your researcher can follow that up.
I hope I have been able to point you in the right direction. Like I said before, I will help if I can. Just ask.
Darren
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Megran, are you talking about the indexes they have for baptisms, marriages and burials? I don't think you can get much information online; you have to send away, at cost. And being an index, it may not provide the information Hollytree needs to confidently place her John Haydon.
Cheers,
Darren
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Mind you, Hollytree, you can always post a lookup request on the Devon board on here. Some kind Rootschatter might have the information at hand, or might be willing to look up for you at the record office. If you do post there, keep your request simple though, otherwise no one will want to do it for you.
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My Haydon connection starts with Ann Haydon born 1772, my 4 x Great Grandmother married Thomas Sharland born 15 Nov 1769, Marriage took place at Stockleigh English, Devon 1 April 1794, now Im trying to find out Ann's Parents and her ancestors - any help gladly appreciated, this is the information I have found so far not a 100% if its correct.
Possible parents John Haydon and Sarah Glanvill, have been attached to many trees on ancestry as I have a tree on there.
Her grandparents maybe Nathaniel Haydon married Mary Stevens 13 April 1737 Crediton, Devon.
Her Great Grandparents might be Samuel Haydon married Mary Hammond 27 Nov 1682 Crediton, Devon.
Her Great Great Grandparents I think might be Robert Haydon married Hannah Keene 13 Aug 1654 Crediton, Devon.
Her Great Great Great Grandparents maybe Robert Haydon born 1595 married Mary Ridd in 1623 Crediton, Devon but I dont have a marriage date for them, and I dont have a birth record for Robert either.
and Ann Haydon's Great Great Great Great Grandparents maybe Robert Haydon born 1560 married Joan Paulet. in 1585 Devon.
Would appreciate any help with the above.
Thanks
Elizlloyd
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Hi, thank you for your information, my 4th gt grandparents are also Anne Haydon and Thomas Sharland (Sharland line). I have researched the Haydon's extensively using ancestry.com and familysearch website also and this is what I have found, Anne had two brothers John and Andrew, her parents where John Haydon and Sarah Glandvill, I'm pretty sure John Haydon's parents were:
John Haydon born 1715 Crediton and Rachel Edbury 1715 Crediton (www.familysearch) John and Rachel's children were Anne, John and Andrew and their birth dates are all accurate.
Possible parent of John Haydon is George Haydon 1695 Crediton and Mary Ward (no birth certificate or documentation on ancestry.com
I've contacted Crediton records office for any help but as there was a fire there at some point most records were destroyed. I can't remember why I thought Nathaniel Haydon was not Anne's father but there was a reason !
That's as far as I could get I'm afraid but hopefully there will be another lead at some point ???
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Hollytree and Elizlloyd,
I think your best avenue is to visit your nearest LDS family history centre, and order in the microfilm for Crediton parish registers (there is one of a transcript, which is better than nothing).
Your other option is to somehow access the PR's at the Devon Record Office, either in person or via a researcher. I don't think you can continue much further via the internet without confirmation. That is not to say that the original registers will confirm or deny any of your possibles, but it is highly likely you will be able to make some progress.
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Hi, thanks for your reply, I have tried various websites and emails in the past including the Devon records office email to try and find a researcher to help me but I have not have a response, do you know of email address or website relevant to the area that may be able to help me on this ?
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If you are seeking a researcher to go to to the Devon RO in Exeter (where the Crediton PR's are held), you would be best suited to look in any of the genealogy magazines. I have done this in the past, with success. You will need to find one close to Exeter, as they may charge for travelling. Try contacting a couple for their fee structures up front; be as specific as you can with what you require. Then, depending on how you want their results, they can send hard copy or e-mail. It is a bit expensive to get photocopies/images of the original records.
Alternatively, the Devon RO does sell microfiche copies of the PR's, at 2 pounds 50 a fiche.
I hope this helps.
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Hi Pinefamily and Hollytree
First of all Pinefamily thanks for your information about seeking a researcher to go to Devon Record Office, by looking at genealogy magazines, seems a good idea, which might be one way forward or I might go to my local library today to see if they can help, and get them to order in the Crediton parish records as you mentioned in your earlier post is covered with a microfilm of PR transcripts 1558-1843, also im keen to find out more information about John Haydon why he married in Newton St Cyres, to Sarah Glandvill and not crediton. ? and generallly find out more information on the Haydon line as its all new to me.
Also might even take a trip to DRO in Exeter this year to look for myself. Once Ive done this will happily repost on here with information I have found, if any :-)
Will also post on here once Ive see the Crediton PR transcripts microfilm ordered from Library when it comes
Appreciate your help pinefamily and Hollytree,
Regards
Elizlloyd
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Hi Elizlloyd, that would be fabulous, I live offshore in the Channel Islands so not easy for me to travel to places. As we both seem to be 4th gt grandchildren of Thomas Sharland and Ann Haydon I think we are probably related in some distant way !
As far as I have got is that John Haydon and Rachel Edbury were John Haydon's parents (spouse Sarah Glandvill) but just cannot actually prove which John Haydon is which there was one born in Crediton in 1715 (most likely but name is spelt Heydon father George Heydon 1695 and mother Mary Ward 1685, no information at all on George's parentage I'm afraid) but there were also two John Haydon's born in Kenton Devon around about 1713 and 1719 so of course they could be possibilities.
Look forward to updates if you manage to unravel this mystery, I was always hoping when I started this that our John Haydon would in some way be related to the Haydon's of Ottery St Mary and of course that meant being related to Joanne Paulet wife of Robert Haydon, Joane Paulet's parentage can easily be traced right back to Henry II and beyond but I think that is being a little hopeful, all I've ever found is that my ancesters were ag lab's and servants !!! oh and that my mum and dad are actually distant cousins from the same Exmoor family from the 1600's :D :D
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There is a third option. Apparently the Westcountries Studies Library (next door to the Devon RO in Exeter) also has a transcript of the Crediton PR's. Maybe you can contact them regarding searches and prices.
Hollytree, Are you related to Haydon's from Ottery St Mary? I am pretty sure there is some connection with Haydon's and my Pine/Pyne's from there. Will check and get back to you.
Elizlloyd, regarding Newton St Cyres, I am not sure exactly why, but it seems to have been quite common for people to marry there, when they were from elsewhere. Maybe because of its location.
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Hi pinefamily, I've tried to find a link between my Haydon's of Crediton and the Haydon's of Ottery St Mary as the towns are so close, so far I have been unsuccessful but I would love to think they are related it would be fun to have a link to royalty even if it is very very small ! Maybe my Haydon's are some distant cousins of the grand Haydon's of Devon (probably disgraced or something) !
Joane Paulet who was Robert Haydon's wife was the daughter of Sir Knight Amias Paulet who was a favourite of Queen Elizabeth and she appointed him as the jailer of Mary Queen of Scots up to her execution. His portrait hangs in the National Gallery.
Joane's ancestors are easily traced back through to the Plantagenets, Richard and Lionheart, King John and King Henry II etc. Coincidentally Robert and Joane Haydon's left Ottery St Mary and lived in Poulett (Paulet) Manor in Hinton St George Somerset which is a village very close to where I grew up.
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I have a very similar story, Hollytree. My Pine/Pyne's in Ottery St Mary have been traced back to the 1500's. In the 1600's, another Pyne family settled there from Somerset, and I have not been able to find a connection, despite the fact both families used the same unusual first name of Humphrey. One of the children of the Somerset family, Valentine Pyne, went on to become Master-Gunner of England under Charles II. There is a large memorial plaque to him in the Tower of London.
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Hi Pinefamily and Hollytree,
I went to my local library Brighton in order for them to order in a copy of the crediton microfilm parish records transcriptions for 1538 - 1843. They very kindly rang the West Devon Record office who in turn said to get in touch with the North Devon record office which the librarian did for me but it was on answerphone, we looked on their website and its closed till Feb 15th for refurbishment. So will wait till then.
Also agree with Hollytree feel certain that Anne Haydon's parents and grandparents must connect up with Robert Haydon and Joanne Paulet, As on the 1851 census shows Anne Haydon age 75 birth place being Newton St Cyres, Devon and Thomas being Cheriton Fitzpayne, Devon, Head of Family and Married age 84.
Also to mention the collections of the Westcountries Studies Library and the Devon Record Office have combined and transferred to the Devon Heritage Centre over a period of time from September 2012 onwards. Hopefully a short term setback. :( as ive been researching my family since 2005 Im getting use to this type of setback happening.
Makes me all the more determined.. !! ;D
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I didn't know that about the the combining of the two entities. Makes sense though, as they were next door to each other from memory.
It also makes it easier when researching from afar, as we three are.
I know what you mean about setbacks. My Devon ancestors have taken me longer, as the resources aren't as readily available from long distance; even the LDS microfilms for Devon parishes aren't from the original registers, but rather transcripts.
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There is this marriage from extracted records on the IGI site (old version i hate the new layout)
Tazzie
:'( I thought the old version of familysearch IGI was made totally inaccessible??
Is there a link to the old version that still works?? ::)
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Hi Mousehowse,
Thanks for the parents information of Ann Haydon, born 1772, being John Haydon and Sarah, from the IGI site, Im now looking into finding John Haydon's parents. on the IGI site. Appreciate any help
Thanks
Elizlloyd
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There is this marriage from extracted records on the IGI site (old version i hate the new layout)
Tazzie
:'( I thought the old version of familysearch IGI was made totally inaccessible??
Is there a link to the old version that still works?? ::)
There used to be a link on the "new" page for the "old" one, but I couldn't see it.
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Dear HOLLYTREE and Pinefamily and Everyone else who reads this and can help.
Working back from my 4 x Great Grandmother Anne Haydon born 1772 married to Thomas Sharland,
and Anne Haydon's parents being John Haydon married to Sarah Glandville - I think from the Glandville noblilty family of Devon,
and then I think John Haydon's parents were John Haydon married Rachel Edbury
and then John's parents might either be Nathaniel Haydon married to Mary Stephens
and Nathaniel Haydon born 1 Dec 1700 Crediiton
Parents being Samuel Haydon (born 26 Jan 1661 Crediton, Devon) married to Mary Hammond
Samuel Haydon's parents being Robert Haydon (born 27 April 1628 Crediton, Devon) married Hannah Keene
Robert Haydon son of Robert Haydon born 1596 Ottery St Mary married Mary Ridd born about 1600. marriage 1623 Crediton, Devon
All of the above information i have found either on familysearch.org or ancestry.co.uk website im not a 100% sure if all the above information is correct but would like help in varifying it all
Thanks
Elizlloyd
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Hi to Pinefamily, mowsehowse, HOLLYTREE and Annette7,
Working back from Ann Haydon born 2 June 1772 and christened in Crediton 7 June 1772 married Thomas Sharland 1 April 1794 Stockleigh English, her parents were John Haydon christened 8 Feb 1739 married to Sarah Glanville marriage took place at Holy Cross Church in Crediton 7 March 1770.
John Haydon's parents were John Haydon christened 22 October 1707 Crediton married to Rachel Edbury in Holy Cross Church, Crediton, Devon. 27 Jan 1733.
John Haydon's parents John Haydon christened Holy Cross Church, Crediton 19 Nov 1679 married to Sarah Tucker 27 June 1706.
John Haydon's father Thomas Haydon christened 20 November 1642 Crediton, Devon, wife unknown.
Thomas Haydon's father was Thomas Haydon Christened 23 June 1611 Sandford, Married Agnes Leach 28 Nov 1634 they had 3 children John born 1637, Agnes born 1639 and Thomas born 1642 all christened in Holy Cross Church, Crediton. Devon.
Thomas Haydon's Father Gideon Haydon Born 1583 Cadhay. Ottery Saint Mary, Devon Married to Margaret Davy Marriage 18 June 1603. Ottery Saint Mary, Devon. had 15 children several born in Ottery St Mary and some born in Sandford, Devon.
I hope the above information is of help to you all.
from Elizlloyd.