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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: sharona on Friday 25 November 11 01:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am hoping someone will be able to help me with this man. I have found his christening on another site listed as 28th May 1769 Eynsham Oxfordshire. His parents are Charles Hobley and Sarah (possibly Treadwell). I have Ancestry but can not find a death reference or marriage reference. Would it be possible for a new set of eyes to see if they can come up with these references.
Thanking you
Sharon :) :) :)
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Hi sharona,
I'm not sure if this is your man or not but taken from the "Oxfordshire Archdeacon’s Marriage Bond Index - 1634 - 1849" is this entry;
1767 Hobley, Chas Ensham James, Sarah Ensham
No other info is shown.
Alan
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Hi Allan,
Thank you for that it's not James but you did find his father's marriage record which i was looking for also.
Charles Hobley married Sarah james.
The Hobley's are my maternal ancestors and i seem to have a lot of trouble with them. Now i just have to find James and his grandfather Robert.
Thank you again
Sharon
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Now i just have to find James and his grandfather Robert.
Why do you think Charles's father was named Robert?
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Hi Sharon,
From OFHS Oxfordshire Marriage Index....
14 Sep 1807 James Hobley, Cassington to Sarah Treadwell at Great Haseley
This is the only James listed and afraid there is no Robert marriage..
Sue
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Both James and Sarah left Wills-they are at the ORO
James dated 1836 and Sarah 1839
They baptised quite a few children at Cassington from 1808-he was a butcher
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Hi Again,
Sue and Kimbrey thank you so much for the information i have been looking on different sites for ages and couldn't find any info. so thank you again.
Orpheus i was told by a family member that Robert was the father, so i am not entirely sure.
have you found someone else listed as the father?
Thank you everyone for your time and patience with me.
Sharon
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Hi again,
I have just found a christening record on family search for a Charles Hobly for the 29th May 1735 in Brailes Warwick with the parents listed as Thomas and Martha. What does everyone think? Could this be my Charles? Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Sharon
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Hi Sharona,
I haven't found anything more on Charles Hobley but the following may be of use;
Drayton St.Leonards;
Marriage;
13-10-1757 TREADWELL (signs TREDWELL), James, bach, Ewelme? to
Elizabeth MARTING [sic], sp
wits; William Read, Mary Tredwell.
Bapt;
20-8-1732 Elizabeth Martin, d/o Thomas & Elizabeth
Benson PRs
Bapt;
16-1-1725 Tredwell, Robert s/o Thomas & Hester (born 15 Jan)
25-8-1728 " Thomas " " " " 17 Aug
17-8-1729 " Sarah d/o " " " 13 Aug
5-11-1732 " Mary " " " " 16 Oct
Burial;
10-4-1738 Tredwell, Thomas
Marriage;
9-4-1740 Leaver, Edward to Hester TREADWELL
(could be the widow of Thomas)
All info taken from PR transcripts from OFHS.
These parishes are all reasonably close to Great Haseley.
Alan
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Hi again,
Thank you so much for that Alan. You have helped me heaps so thank you. If i can do anything for you let me know. Still having trouble with this Charles though. I wish i was in England so i could verify these things but am the other side of the world.
Thanks again
Sharon :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Sharona,
So am I, in Oz are you?
Alan
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Orpheus i was told by a family member that Robert was the father, so i am not entirely sure.
have you found someone else listed as the father?
No, I haven't found a baptism for Charles. I asked how you knew Robert was his father because I know there are at least eight trees on Ancestry which give this information and I was going to warn you about them. These trees all give Charles's birth as 1740 in Sussex, England, the son of Robert HOBLEY and Hannah COTTINGHAM. Some have the marriage of Robert HOBLEY and Hannah COTTINGHAM as 8 Dec 1745 at Fishbourne, Sussex and some state that Robert died in Warwickshire in 1785. Information varies from tree to tree but I advise you to treat all of it as highly suspect.
There is one other tree on Ancestry which gives Charles's birth as 1735 in Worcestershire, England, the son of Thomas HOBLEY and Martha. It could well be that this is the birth that you found in Brailes, Warwickshire, and the person who has constructed the tree has entered the place of birth incorrectly.
All trees agree that Charles died in 1797 in Eynsham - have you verified this? Also, have you found any other children for Charles and Sarah? The only one I've been able to find is James baptised in 1769. However, I can say that Charles had a brother named Thomas who was a butcher in the parish of St Peter le Bailey in the City of Oxford. He (Thomas) left a will dated 1769, proved 1773, in which he names his four sons - David, Joshua, Thomas (a minor under 21), and William (also a minor under 21) - and his brother Charles as executor and trustee.
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You mentioned in a post on another board that your HOBLEY family were mostly from Berkshire. If this is so can you tell us how you've traced back to Charles of Ensham. It would be useful to know whether we're on the right track!
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Hi Orpheus,
Thanks for your questions. I will try to answer what i know. My grandfather was Sidney Thomas Hobley and he lived to a wonderful age of 104. Must have been the English weather. He told my mum a few bits and pieces. Yes i have seen the trees on ancestry and a lot of the dates are out. I have ancestry as well but i am doing one person at a time and making sure i get references to back up the facts. Family search has given me some information. As i said i am getting the information then verifying it is the right info. i have family tree maker 2011 and when i am 100% sure the info is right i get my bits of paper and write the info in. But i would be glad of any second opinions and suggestions. I thank you for your help and input. Please keep offering suggestions and opinions.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon (and everyone else on this thread!)
I raised this query - about Charles Hobley - on the Ancestry Message Board back in 2006, but with no response.
Anyway, I entirely agree with Orpheus re. the "Sussex link". In the mid 1700's people just didn't travel those sort of distances, I have no proof yet, but I reckon that the Charles Hobley from Brailes is much more likely to be our man. Assuming this is so, and it still needs to be proved, Charles' parents were Thomas (b.1690) and Martha George who were married on 07/02/1712 at Chipping Campden, Glos. This Charles had 10 siblings, viz. Mary (b.1714), Francis (1716), Thomas (1718) Elizabeth (1721), Martha (1722), Jane (1725), Margaret (1727), Ann (1729), Edward (1732) and George (1737).
Thomas Hobley (b.1690) was the son of John Hobley and Mary ?. I believe that both of them were born in Barford Warwickshire, John in abt 1665 and Mary abt 1674. Thomas had at least one younger brother - Edward (b. 1696). Edward married a Sarah Green (Greenaway?) who was born in Banbury, Oxfordshire in 1703. Edward and Sarah had a least 9 children (that I know of) and it is from these that the prolific "Banbury/Neithrop" branch of the Hobley clan stems!
Going back to our Charles, the Eynsham Parish register shows that he married Sarah James on 19/05/1767. The witnesses were John Constable (b. 21/08/1732) and Mary Battin. John Constable seems to have been a great mate of Charles over many years and, in fact, was married to Sarah's sister Hester (b. 1737) John and Hester had been married in Eynsham on 28/12/1758.
Now for a couple of newspaper reports!
1. The Oxford Journal dated 18/07/1778 has an item showing that Charles Hobley and John Constable are the executors of the estate of George James, cabinet maker of St Clements, Oxford and request that all debtors and creditors of the deceased send their details to them.
2. The same Journal dated 05/07/1794 has a bankruptcy item regarding the claim for discharge from bankruptcy of 10 people, including Charles! The entry for Charles states: "Charles Hobley, late of Ensham in the County of Oxford, Butcher, now confined in his majesty's prison....not being charged in Custody on the 12th day of February 1794..........". I'm not sure if or when this meant that Charles got out of clink!
You say that Sidney Hobley was your grandfather (mine was Louis George Hobley who got gassed in WW1). I have Sidney (b.1904) in my tree but apart from his father, Frank, have no other info. Who was Sidney's mother, who did he marry did he have any siblings and what kids/grandkids did he have?
If I can be of any further help just shout and If anyone gets the proof about Charles and the "Brailes" link, I'd be very interested to hear about it.
Best regards............................Bob
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Hi Bob,
Thank you for your information it was most welcome.
Yes Sidney Thomas Hobley was my grandfather. He married Dorothy Violet Nobbs in 1927 Easthampstead Berkshire. They have 4 daughters ( one my wonderful mum). His siblings were Laura Hobley, Arthur Hobley, Georgina Hobley, Ruth Hobley and Frank Hobley. Could you send me a PM with you email address. Would like to keep in touch.
Thanks
Sharon :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Wow, 15 smilies - I'm humbled!!
Sharon, thanks for the info re. Sidney. My email address is *
Do you have a George Hobley in your tree? He died in 1902. He was born in Cassington, but moved to London sometime in the 1880's I think. I've just found out (from the local Reading newspaper of the time) that he was found dead in King's Weir, near Cassington having apparently commited suicide!!
If I get any more info, I'll let you know. I hope you'll keep me informed of any developments at your end?(!!)
( :) x 16)...................Bob
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I have just joined Rootsweb, and want to let you know that Martha Hobley is an ancestor of mine. Borne in 1722, Brailes, Warwickshire, married on October 3, 1749. She married Richard Lymath (Limath) who was born 1725. They had 5 children, Thomas (Lymeth) born 22 July, 1750, Hannah Lymath (Limath) born 23 August, 1752, Mary , born 25 April, 1755, Richard, born October, 1757, and John, born 23 June, 1760.
Richard and Martha were the earliest I had discovered in my ancestry line, so I am excited to have found more on the Hobley side.
Liz
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Liz,
This is good news.
I had identified Martha's husband as Richard Limath, but hadn't taken this line of research any further.
If you get any more information on Charles Hobley (b. 1735) do please let me know!
Regards..................Bob
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Hi Bob,
I haven't any new info on Charles, but from my family tree program, Charles was my 5th Great Grand Uncle, with Martha being my 5th Great Grandmother.
Cheers,
Liz Francis
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Anyone linked with the Hobleys of Brandon, Wolston, Warks from 1582?
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Hi "Oatway".
Sorry I've only just picked up your post dated 11/06/12. What info do you have on the Hobleys of Brandon, Wolston, Warks?
My main interest is in the Hobleys of Cassington and Eynsham (Ensham) in Oxfordshire. The oldest memebr of this clan, that I can find, is Charles Hobley who married Sarah James in Ensham on 19/05/1767. I have a hypothesis that this Charles is the Charles Hobley who was born in Brailes Warks in 1735 - but have yet to prove it. The "Brailes" Charles Hobley has ancestors who apparently lived/were born in Barford, Warwick St Mary, and Leamington Hastings [Francis Hobley b.1613]. How close these are to Brandon, I don't know.
Does any of this fit into your researches?
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Hi there, new to this site, but I came across this in my wanderings looking for information on the Oxfordshire Hobleys. There is a connection to the Warwickshire Hobleys that I am yet to unravel, but in Oxfordshire my family were from the Witney /Cassington/Leafield area.
My Great-great-grandfather was Charles, who married Lucy Goodrich, but I am having trouble getting any further up the tree (possibly because he moved to the area). He was a farmer, with sons Charles Goodrich Hobley (my great-grandfather) and William Henry Goodrich Hobley. Any information on these would be much appreciated.
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The Oxfordshire Family History Society have created CDs of all the parish records (birth/deaths/marriages) for every parish in the county. They give a fascinating record of the lives of the people in Oxfordshire for 300 years or so and I highly recommend them to you.
The Cassington parish records will confirm that Charles Goodrich Hobley was born there in 1846 - to Charles Hobley and Lucy (?). Charles was also born in Cassington (in 1817) and Lucy was born, I believe, I Lidstone Oxfordshire (in 1827). The Cassington parish baptism records also show that the parents of Charles (b. 1817) were James Hobley and Sarah (nee Treadwell) who both subsequently died in Cassington.
Sarah Treadwell was born in Cassington, but you'll need to look in the Eynsham (aka "Ensham") parish records to find James's birth/baptism details. The Ensham records will also lead you to James parents and their marriage and death details.
Good luck
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That's fantastic - thanks very much for the information. I'll follow up with the Oxfordshire FHS as you suggest. Lucy (nee Goodrich) and Charles may/may not have owned a farm in the Witney area (Lucy certainly lived on 100 acres after Charles' death, with Charles Goodrich listed as Farmer/Bailiff) but it would be good to confirm this aspect of family history.
Really appreciate the information on Charles parents - it seems to have been a popular name, and sorting them out is a bit difficult!
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Hmm. Almost immediately running into the plethora of Charles Hobley problem :D. On investigation, I am not sure the 1917 Charles is my man - I have Charles with Lucy definitively in the 1861 Census (with a birth date of C1821) and in the 1871 with a birth date of C1824.
I do have a Charles Hobley christened in Banbury (about 30 odd miles away) on Sep 28 1823, to Thomas and Elizabeth - but it's not really definitive. Maybe if I get hold of some of the original records I can get a bit more certainty.
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Yes Charles Hobley (b. 1817) was indeed a farmer. In 1841 he was living with his two (twin?) sisters and farming in Cassington. By 1851 he had married Lucy and they were living/farming in Witney Lane, Leafield. By 1881, Charles had died and Lucy had taken over the farm with Charles Goodrich, his wife (Emma) and 4 of their children. By 1901 Lucy (then aged c. 74!) had given up the farm and was living with her daughter-in-law (Frances) in Chipping Norton.
I would suggest that you don't get too hung up on the "Banbury link" - yet! There obviously must be a link somewhere between the Cassington/Eynsham Hobleys and the Banbury ones, but I haven't yet found it. Also, I wouldn't read too much into some of the birth dates given in the census (especially the ladies')!! There seems to have been some "poetic licence" used with the odd year or three "adjustment" to the quoted d.o.b.! [Did you know that there is a "Hobley Lane" in Banbury?]
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Ah - if there is a link to the Witney Lane Hobleys then definitely that's him. I can't find him prior to that (you must have better resources :D) but Charles Goodrich and Lucy appear at various addresses in Witney Lane and Witney Road (rather confusing, but I am wondering if they owned a series of properties). In fact in 1891 you can find Lucy living with some of the grandchildren at 64 Witney Lane, while Charles Goodrich and Emma are at 65 with the rest of their children!
I take your point about ages needing a grain of salt, but sometimes with a couple of candidates it's tough to choose who to follow up as I'm sure you know. I didn't know there was a Hobley Lane in Banbury, it would be good to know if there was a connection. Likewise with the numerous Warwickshire Hobleys (I have some indications that that is a branch in the tree as well). Thanks again for taking the time to throw some light on this corner - greatly appreciated.
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And this rather sad story shows how Charles died. :(