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I'm trying to find Frederick William Herman Hesse on the 1901 Census he was born in Middlesbrough in 1891 he married Margaret Walker in 1910 in Middlesbrough they had 3 Children The first Frederick born 1911 in Middlesbrough any help would be appreciated.
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Welcome to Rootschat!
RG 13 / 4570 / 186 / 31
84 Garden Street, Middlesbrough
Frederick Hesse, head, 30, M, Seaman (A.B.) Yorks M'bro
Elizabeth do, wife, M, do do
Frederick do, son, 9, do do
Albert do, son, 2, do do
George do, son, 5, do do
Jack Jones, step son, 15, do do
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Thanks for looking but I think his wife is called Margaret I have her on the 1911 census living in 4 Robinson Street Middlesbrough living with her mother Hannah Walker, but no frederick hesse.
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The marriage reg shows him as William H F Hesse as does his birth reg on freebmd
Births September qtr 1891
William Herman F Hesse Middlesborough 9d 540
Thanks for looking but I think his wife is called Margaret
The 1901 details posted are for Frederick Hesse aged 9 - he wasn't married in 1901 therefore it's his mother - not his wife - who is Elizabeth
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Thanks for your help! Now I need to find Frederick & Elizabeths Marriage.
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Could you also help me find out when and were frederick was born
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Thanks for your help! Now I need to find Frederick & Elizabeths Marriage.
Hi, welcome from me too ! :)
Could this be their marriage :
Marriage, Jun qtr 1891
William Frederick Hesse
Elizabeth Jones
Stockton 10a 123
Kind regards,
Pels.
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This is the website to use for BMD queries - it's free
www.freebmd.org.uk
Could you also help me find out when and were frederick was born
Presume you mean Frederick senior??
His age and his birthplace is shown on the 1901 entry above
You need to look on the 1881 census for him to find him with parents etc
The 1881 is free at
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
If you mean Frederick junior - the reference for his birth in 1891 is given in my earlier reply
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Also, if you wish to purchase a BMD certificate from the Middlesbrough area I would recommend this site :
http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/search.php
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Good luck ! :)
Pels.
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Thank You all so much! i have another question for you which is quite difficult im trying to find out my grandmothers parents Yvonne Pamela Myers born in 1935 is my grandmother i no her mothers maiden name is Richie and her mothers father was called Walter gordon richie i have looked on freebmd but no luck :(
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Is your grandmother still alive, if she is - I'm afraid we aren't allowed to post this information on RootsChat.
I can see a possible birth for 1932, not 1935.
Added : I'm so sorry, I missed the part where you said it was her parents you were seeking.
Pels.
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no she isnt alive sorry .
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See what you think to this :
Marriage, June qtr 1925
Aloah D G Myers
Robinia E M Ritchie
Darlington Vol 10a, Page 23
If your grandmother was born in the Darlington registration district.
Pels.
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That sounds correct :) is there anywere i could find there parents
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If you check the free 1911 index there is an entry for a Robina Edith Mary Ritchie b 1905 and living in Darlington Durham
1911 lookups are not allowed on Rootschat
USING THE FREE 1911 INDEX TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT HOUSEHOLD
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
Once you find a possible match - make a note of the county and district in which the person was living
Return to the index and in PERSONAL DETAILS - just put the surname of the family - nothing else
In LOCATION - Select the county and below it - type in the district
In OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD - show the full name of the person you have found on the index
Click SEARCH
The 1911 census is strictly pay per view so you will have to buy credits to view the full entry - the above instructions will only help to possibly show others of the same surname in the same household
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That sounds correct :) is there anywere i could find there parents
This looks like a safe bet :
Marriage, Jun qtr 1904
Walter Gordon Ritchie
Edith Thompson
Darlington, Vol 10a, page 105
Pels. :)
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were can i find out the birthdates of Yvonnes parents and thier parents please :(
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were can i find out the birthdates of Yvonnes parents and thier parents please :(
sorry for being a pest :(
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For Robinia's birth you can use the advice Carole gave and use FreeBMD :
This is the website to use for BMD queries - it's free
www.freebmd.org.uk
You aren't a pest, I'm struggling to find a birth for Alloah - but I'm wondering whether he married twice because there's also someone called Alvah D G Myers who married a Lilian Young in 1920 ?
Pels.
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Could Alvah and Alloah be the same person ?
Death, Jun qtr 1924
Lilian Myers, age 28
Darlington, Vol 10a, page 9
This might explain him marrying again in 1925.
Marriage, June qtr 1925
Aloah D G Myers
Robinia E M Ritchie
Darlington Vol 10a, Page 23
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Could Alvah and Alloah be the same person ?
Death, Jun 1924
Lilian Myers, age 28
Darlington, Vol 10a, page 9
This might explain him marrying again in 1925.
This is the birth for Alvah.
Birth, Dec qtr 1896
Alvah Dean G Myers
Stockton, Vol 10a, page 79
To me, it looks more than a coincidence.
Pels.
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In 1901, Alvah, aged 4 is living in Eaglescliffe with his parents, Esther and Harold G Myers.
RG13/4628, Folio 116, Page 23.
Pels.
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How about this :
Alvah Dean G Myers
Birth: 17th October 1896
Death: Jun qtr 1977
Age at death, 80 years
Cleveland, Vol 3, Page 2562
Pels.
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I suppose it could be
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i found a birth for "Alvah" 1896 still cant find a death or his parents thought :(
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Pels has already given you both sets of information in her replies above. You can then use freebmd to find details of his parents marriage which will give you his mothers maiden name
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I suppose it could be
Do you believe me now ?
;D ;D
i found a birth for "Alvah" 1896 still cant find a death or his parents thought :(
Not quite sure why you were struggling ? If you are looking for a marriage you'd put one of their names into the search - with the name of their spouse, if known - underneath. Sometimes they don't appear automatically and you have to try lots of different variations till you find them. Hoping you've got there now - if not, give us a shout ! :) :)
Pels.
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This is the marriage you couldn't find last night :
Marriage, Dec qtr 1900
Esther Dooley
Harold Goldsbrough Myers
Stockton, Vol 10a, page 92
The reason I mention this, to find them in 1911 you will need the full name of Harold Goldsbrough Myers using his middle name in the advanced search, to make it easier.
Pels.
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Hi is it Possible if you could find Frederick William Snrs Parents and Birth also Elizabeth Jones birth and marriage for me im really stuck :( ???
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Are you happy with the information we've already found ??
:)
Pels.
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Hi is it Possible if you could find Frederick William Snrs Parents and Birth im really stuck :( ???
If you're really stuck and you can't find it, the only way to help you find his father might be to order this marriage certificate :
Marriage, Jun qtr 1891
William Frederick Hesse
Elizabeth Jones
Stockton 10a 123
also Elizabeth Jones birth and marriage for me
Is the above marriage the one you mean ?
Pels.
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Welcome to Rootschat!
RG 13 / 4570 / 186 / 31
84 Garden Street, Middlesbrough
Frederick Hesse, head, 30, M, Seaman (A.B.) Yorks M'bro
Elizabeth do, wife, M, do do
Frederick do, son, 9, do do
Albert do, son, 2, do do
George do, son, 5, do do
Jack Jones, step son, 15, do do
Looking at the census posted by Jennifer, I'm wondering whether Jones was the birth name of Elizabeth or whether she'd been married before ?
Pels.
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Hi is it Possible if you could find Frederick William Snrs Parents and Birth
Although the 1901 census states that he was born in Middlesbrough, Frederick may have been born in Germany. If you check the free index on the 1911, it might give you a clue. Here's some tips if you don't have access :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
Pels.
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Looking at the census posted by Jennifer, I'm wondering whether Jones was the birth name of Elizabeth or whether she'd been married before ?
This could be Elizabeth Jones in 1881, with her husband John. See what you think :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3N4-J48
It might help if I could find the children in 1891.
Pels.
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yes i am very thankful ur a star :) xx
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How about this :
Alvah Dean G Myers
Birth: 17th October 1896
Death: Jun qtr 1977
Age at death, 80 years
Cleveland, Vol 3, Page 2562
Pels.
Pels
Alvah was my grandfather. Not sure how old this thread is but if there anything I can help you with then let me know. I've only just signed up to this forum so my apologies if this isn't the correct form of addressing the forum.
Chris
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Pels
Alvah was my grandfather. Not sure how old this thread is but if there anything I can help you with then let me know. I've only just signed up to this forum so my apologies if this isn't the correct form of addressing the forum.
Chris
Hi Chris, it's good to hear from you, :) :)
You are absolutely spot on with how you've replied. I've just checked, it appears the person who was researching your family hasn't been online since Sunday 27th November 2011 - but that's not to say 'Brown-hesse2011' won't get an email notification to say this thread has had a new response.
If not, you could answer me a couple more times on here, two or three posts will then activate your PM (personal message) system, you could then contact them privately. To do this you'll see this symbol (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Themes/citiez_20a/images/im_off.gif) below their username - which is to the left of their last reply. By clicking on that you can make contact, providing they haven't changed their email address.
Good luck,
Pels.
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Okay, I reread your posts and now realise that it wasn't you looking for information but you were looking on behalf of someone else. Perhaps you could offer me some advice. I was originally searching for Lilian Young who married Alvah which is how I came across your thread. I came to something of a dead end as there were rather too many Lilian Youngs born in 1896 and I couldn't be 100% certain I was chasing the right one. My money was on Lilian born in Chester-le-Street but that was just an educated guess and no one in my family knew as Alvah's second wife didn't encourage any discussion about his first so no one knew. Would the death certificate or marriage certificate actually hold information on place of birth or her parents details? Certainly the register has nothing useful to work. If it does what is the easiest way of getting hold of a copy?
Chris
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Okay, I reread your posts and now realise that it wasn't you looking for information but you were looking on behalf of someone else. Perhaps you could offer me some advice. I was originally searching for Lilian Young who married Alvah which is how I came across your thread. I came to something of a dead end as there were rather too many Lilian Youngs born in 1896 and I couldn't be 100% certain I was chasing the right one. My money was on Lilian born in Chester-le-Street but that was just an educated guess and no one in my family knew as Alvah's second wife didn't encourage any discussion about his first so no one knew. Would the death certificate or marriage certificate actually hold information on place of birth or her parents details? Certainly the register has nothing useful to work. If it does what is the easiest way of getting hold of a copy?
Chris
Hi again,
I would think you aren't far wrong with the Chester-le-Street birth. As I'm sure you've seen there is someone to fit Lilian's description in 1901 and born in Birtley :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSH1-BSF
On the next census the person above was living in Darlington. Which would fit perfectly.
Marriage, Sep qtr 1920
Alvat D G Myers
Lilian Young
Darlington, Vol 10a, page 28
The above registration would tell you the name and occupation of Lilian's father, to help confirm it's the one we hope it is. The link below is from Darlington Register Office. To search use the name Alvah Myers or Lilian Young and 1920. I notice the above FreeBMD one isn't spelt as it should be.
http://www.darlington.gov.uk/Living/Register+Office/RegOfficeSearch.htm
Hope this helps and I've made sense. It seems a long time since I looked for these names.
Pels.