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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Marmitch on Monday 09 May 05 17:56 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm (still) trying to trace my gt Grandmother's (Margaret Jane Costello) place/date of birth. So far to no avail. I believe she was born in Salford during the mid 1850s, possibly in the Greengates area of the city. Does anyone know which which catholic churches were around at this time and which parish this area of Salford would have fallen under.
many thanks MM
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Hi
This link may help
http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/Catholic-England-Wales.htm#Diocese-Salford
Jane
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You could also try
www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/
I think there was a Catholic church in Greengate but the main RC church for Salford is St John (Cathedral) on Chapel Street.
PS. I've also replied to your old posting on the Common Room board, which may help.
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Have you considered getting a copy of her birth certificate?
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk has a Margaret Jane Costello registered in 1854 in Greengate, Salford.
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Hi Folks
This may help http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/registers/prlistv.htm
Regards
Ken
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Thanks for your replies. Now to find out exacyly where in Salford, the district of Greengates was/is so that I can find which church covered it as a parish
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I have a birth certificate for a Margaret Jane Costello, but it is the wrong one(wrong father). I suspect there may be a family link though as this MJC was born a few months after my MJCs sister (julia ann), in the same area of Salford, possibly only a few streets apart. Either that or it is a huge coincidence. Anyway thanks to a 1861 census entry supplied after my posting, I now know that they are 2 separate MJCs and not the same person who for some reason was 'adopted' or looked after by a relative as a young child.
If anyone knows of a family link between a William Costello(born Ireland apparently) with wife Sarah (cunningham)and a Thomas Costello (born either Gibralter or Ireland) with wife Catherine (Flanaghan?), and born around 1820, with close links with Salford in the 1950s, I would be greatly appreciative of any information.
many thanks MM
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Hello Marmitch,
If you go to
www.multimap.com
and put in Greengate, Salford
it will show you the road named Greengate. Nowadays, I think it is split into east and west but at one time it was a fairly major road.
The area surrounding this is known locally as Greengate.
The old census registration district of Greengate is approximately the area bounded on the west, north and east by the River Irwell and on the south by Chapel Street
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Thanks once again SKB for your information. I put greengates into multimap and lo and behold I found it, and from there I was able to locate other key addresses. You learn something new everyday. I originally come from Lancashire, and I always considered the area around Strangeways prison as Cheetam Hill. To me Salford was the 'otherside' of Manchester towards the Quays etc. In fact unknowingly every time I travelled into Manchster from Bury where I lived, I was passing through what was once known as Greengates. I should try going back to my roots more.....
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When you are in multimap, if you click on "aerial" on the line above the map, it gives you an aerial photograph of the area.
Whoever named it GREENgate must have had a very vivid imagination!
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Yes, they have some STRANGEWAYS these town planners. ;D
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Hi there. I think St Peter's With St John's that was actually in Greengate would be the most local one for Greengate. That was also RC. I know this as one of my children was baptised there in the 1970s.
Regards
Mary
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skb
In answer to your comment re. Greengate, it was in fact, just that. It was a lush 'green' area beyond the town Cross and was the road or 'gateway' to Broughton, Kersal & Cheetham. Although difficult to imagine now, Salford was just like any other rural English town, before the Industrial Revolution totally decimated it.
Here is a print of the Bull's Head Inn circa 1700
And another of the Town Cross where the weekly market was held.
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Hi Marmitch
If your Margaret Jane was born around 1850, she was probably baptised in St John The Evangelist (later the Cathedral - on Chapel St), as this was founded in 1844, whereas St Peter's in Greengate wasn't founded until 1863.
Anyone going to Manchester Central library could check the Parish Records there for her birth. Try posting a request.
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Marmitch,
Here is a map of Chapel Street, Salford, in 1794.
The area just to the left and above Salford Trinity Church, is Greengate. As you can see, this part of Salford is beginning to become built up, but there are still many open fields around.
At the time, my ancestors were Grocers & Tea Dealers with premises on Chapel Street and Brown Street, and as the Duke of Bridgewater was selling off his land, they, like many others, were happy to buy it from him. You can just make out a parcel in the name of Mr Williamson on the other side of Chapel Street.
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Hi, thanks for all your replies. I am making a note of all the info I have been given and will try to act on it soon. I am in the process of moving house from Bracknell in Berkshire(back to Bury nr Manchester, in fact), and we are at a tricky stage (buyers not being able to find deposits in order to exchange, which should have happened last Friday. ???.... AGHHHHHHH). Anyway am trying to take my mind off it with these ancestral searches, but am unable to commit time to doing the indepth research. Will keep you informed of any progress on the ancestral front, and hopefully when I move I can be of service to anyone out there who needs local knowledge and research done.
Many thanks once again MM
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Ooohhh ! Marmitch !! What a horrible time buying & selling - who needs the stress ??
Here's wishing all goes well with the deposit etc.,
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