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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jk22 on Tuesday 22 November 11 21:53 GMT (UK)
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Hello. Have been to this man before but after some more work and in the context of a professional genealogist working on him, i wonder if i could check if there might be something else out there. ::)
His origin is very uncertain: all we have is the 1851 census: he is md to Sarah nee Watkins and has 3 children. Born c1801 in Ardleigh, Essex. No records found re this. Many Greens abound. No clear links at all. On his 2nd mg in 1844 to Sarah he is a widower. Much work on this but nothing certain. We think his first wife was Elizabeth Langlands, widow. Md in Weeley in 1819. No issue found. His 4th child, Jane, my ggm, born in 1855 Weeley. But at mg of Jane's older brother John in 1866, his record says their father is 'deceased'. Jane md in 1881 to my ggf George Kemp. Jane gives her father as 'deceased' a 'Butcher'. We have a death for Eliz. Green in 1841 which fits with our sequences.
On Robert's mg to Sarah in 1844 he gives his father as a Robert Green, and he is a 'Miller'. Nothing found on father. Lots of Roberts with fathers Robert. Many from 'out of county'.
Research has indicated that the Welsh cattle industry was prevalent and robust for centuries: Sarah was from mideastern Wales but we don't know if she came via the Wales-London route met Robert in London then went to Essex or whether she came across country direct to Essex. Robert/Sarah's first child John b 1845 became a butcher and cattle dealer for decades. I've contacted Smithfields archives looking for records! Son John md a girl from Hereford. Sarah's age is conflicting also; we have an SW in West London aged about 20.
Any further help or clarification will be joyously received. Julie
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Have you seen the 1841 census in Weeley, Robert and Elizabeth Green and next door are a Langlands family, the head James born in Scotland. Maybe Elizabeths son??
The 1881 census puts James birthplace as Fife Scotland.
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Hello Sue
Thank you for your interest. I have noted that Langlands connection and we have decided based on other info that there is a connection, but as with much of my Green ancestry it's 'bits and pieces' only!
Kind regards
Julie
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Have sent you a PM Julie.
Cobbs.
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Hello Cobbs.
Replied briefly with thanks.
Julie
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Hello. Have been to this man before but after some more work and in the context of a professional genealogist working on him, i wonder if i could check if there might be something else out there. ::)
His origin is very uncertain: all we have is the 1851 census: he is md to Sarah nee Watkins and has 3 children. Born c1801 in Ardleigh, Essex. No records found re this. Many Greens abound. No clear links at all. On his 2nd mg in 1844 to Sarah he is a widower. Much work on this but nothing certain. We think his first wife was Elizabeth Langlands, widow. Md in Weeley in 1819. No issue found. His 4th child, Jane, my ggm, born in 1855 Weeley. But at mg of Jane's older brother John in 1866, his record says their father is 'deceased'. Jane md in 1881 to my ggf George Kemp. Jane gives her father as 'deceased' a 'Butcher'. We have a death for Eliz. Green in 1841 which fits with our sequences.
On Robert's mg to Sarah in 1844 he gives his father as a Robert Green, and he is a 'Miller'. Nothing found on father. Lots of Roberts with fathers Robert. Many from 'out of county'.
Research has indicated that the Welsh cattle industry was prevalent and robust for centuries: Sarah was from mideastern Wales but we don't know if she came via the Wales-London route met Robert in London then went to Essex or whether she came across country direct to Essex. Robert/Sarah's first child John b 1845 became a butcher and cattle dealer for decades. I've contacted Smithfields archives looking for records! Son John md a girl from Hereford. Sarah's age is conflicting also; we have an SW in West London aged about 20.
Any further help or clarification will be joyously received. Julie
Hi Julie
are you still searching for tghis man I found this inf on a.........which could lead you into the right direction Robert Fisher Green b octber 1800 in Great Horkesly (not far from ardleigh as the crow flies) married Elizabeth Nopps in 1835 she died in 1839 Then married Sarah Watkins feb 1844 london
Roberts father was Robert wilkinson green (miller) and his mother Jemima Ladbroke Everitt
any help?
Regards Ronnie :)
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Hello. Have been to this man before but after some more work and in the context of a professional genealogist working on him, i wonder if i could check if there might be something else out there. ::)
His origin is very uncertain: all we have is the 1851 census: he is md to Sarah nee Watkins and has 3 children. Born c1801 in Ardleigh, Essex. No records found re this. Many Greens abound. No clear links at all. On his 2nd mg in 1844 to Sarah he is a widower. Much work on this but nothing certain. We think his first wife was Elizabeth Langlands, widow. Md in Weeley in 1819. No issue found. His 4th child, Jane, my ggm, born in 1855 Weeley. But at mg of Jane's older brother John in 1866, his record says their father is 'deceased'. Jane md in 1881 to my ggf George Kemp. Jane gives her father as 'deceased' a 'Butcher'. We have a death for Eliz. Green in 1841 which fits with our sequences.
On Robert's mg to Sarah in 1844 he gives his father as a Robert Green, and he is a 'Miller'. Nothing found on father. Lots of Roberts with fathers Robert. Many from 'out of county'.
Research has indicated that the Welsh cattle industry was prevalent and robust for centuries: Sarah was from mideastern Wales but we don't know if she came via the Wales-London route met Robert in London then went to Essex or whether she came across country direct to Essex. Robert/Sarah's first child John b 1845 became a butcher and cattle dealer for decades. I've contacted Smithfields archives looking for records! Son John md a girl from Hereford. Sarah's age is conflicting also; we have an SW in West London aged about 20.
Any further help or clarification will be joyously received. Julie
Hi Julie
are you still searching for tghis man I found this inf on a.........which could lead you into the right direction Robert Fisher Green b octber 1800 in Great Horkesly (not far from ardleigh as the crow flies) married Elizabeth Nopps in 1835 she died in 1839 Then married Sarah Watkins feb 1844 london
Roberts father was Robert wilkinson green (miller) and his mother Jemima Ladbroke Everitt
any help?
Regards Ronnie :) sorry Knopps
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Hello Ronnie,
That sounds intriguing! Can you give me the source for Robert being a "Miller" please!
My 3rd cousin, Peter, and i have had paid research done as well as our own persistent efforts to establish the origins of our known gggrandfather, Robert Green.
Robert Green gave his father as a Robert Green who was a miller on his 1844 marriage registration. We would dearly love to link the two Roberts together!
On the 1851 census we have our gggrandfather Robert aged c51, giving his birth year as 1801, and in Ardleigh. As yet we have no record for this birth but we do have one for a birth in 1785!!??
Are you able to clarify anything further please?!
Kind regards
Julie
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Robert Fisher Green was buried in Langham June 26th, 1856 aged 58yrs.
You can rule him out as "your" Robert as he is on the 1851 census in Langham with his wife Elizabeth.
A Robert Green was buried in Weeley January 30th, 1858 aged 70yrs.He was from the Union House.
I am wondering if Robert knocked a few years off his age in the 1851 census. I checked Ardleigh baps from around 1788ish but still couldn't find anything.
Elizabeth Green buried 2nd January, 1842 aged 61yrs.
Where is your 1785 birth?
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Hello Ronnie,
That sounds intriguing! Can you give me the source for Robert being a "Miller" please!
My 3rd cousin, Peter, and i have had paid research done as well as our own persistent efforts to establish the origins of our known gggrandfather, Robert Green.
Robert Green gave his father as a Robert Green who was a miller on his 1844 marriage registration. We would dearly love to link the two Roberts together!
On the 1851 census we have our gggrandfather Robert aged c51, giving his birth year as 1801, and in Ardleigh. As yet we have no record for this birth but we do have one for a birth in 1785!!??
Hi Julie
I have had another look at the marriage certificate Robert Green stated that his father was a miller and that he himself was a farmer. Sarahs father Wlliam was also a farmer
I am hopefully going into the library tomorrow I will look up Ardleigh and Great horkesly records to see what I can find Incidentally Elizabeth Langland was actually Elizabeth Lillley She married James Langlands in 1804 in weeley....Any help :)
Ronnie
Are you able to clarify anything further please?!
Kind regards
Julie
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Hello Suffolk Sue and Ronnie,
Thanks for your replies.
We have had professional Essex research done for locating Robert Green father & son. No luck. I certainly don't know England well but was told that registration districts could overlap county borders. Apparently Suffolk & Essex did and have wondered if Robert jr's father actually came from the area in Suffolk which incorporated Ardleigh in Essex. I think this is fanciful though. Our researcher was very thorough and experienced and she could not find links or records, albeit scores of Robert Greens and Elizabeths and Sarahs!!
The 1783 or 5 birth for Robert Green is in the SEAX records for Ardleigh Baptisms. i saw it online. Robert's parents though were ROGER Green and Lucy Garnham. So it could well be a link for us but the father's name is a problem for me. Surely our Robert knew his father's name as he gave on his 1844 mg record.
Sadly i do feel it's a closed door for us. I've tried to find mills information and did find a little with some names given but nothing in great detail and no mention of a Robert Green.
Thanks for all,
Kind regards
Julie
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Hi - I've just checked the 1844 marriage of Robert Green and Sarah Watkins and note that the register shows his father as Robert Green, miller, and not Robert Wilkinson Green. The father is also not shown as deceased, whereas Robert Wilkinson Green was dead by 1827, when his wife Jemima made her will (proved at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury), in which she describes herself as a widow. This is all available via Ancestry. Robert Wilkinson Green and Jemima (formerly Everitt/Everett, nee Ladbroke/Ladbrook) are my 5x great-grandparents on that line. Regards, Shane