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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: Billie Mendav on Thursday 26 October 06 10:54 BST (UK)
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Is anyone out there researching Huguenot families in Cornwall? I have 4 surnames from early 18th century which could be Huguenot - Lilley, Francis, Jullian and Bohenna, although I've been assured that the latter is an old Cornish name.
Persistent story in my family that we descend from Huguenots in Cornwall. Since the males are all Menhennet going way back, I feel the Huguenots must be on the female side.
Would appreciate any assistance,
Billie Mendav
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Did you see Julia Swahala on TV. She found Huegonots in her mothers's line.
It was said that the Huegonots centered on the East End of London when they first arrived in Uk. They were mainly silk weavers and worked in attics or lofts above their homes. The machine silk weaving put them out of work and many just starved to death. The Huegonots took on many other trades and moved off into other areas looking for employment.
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Thanks, yes I did see the programme and it was fascinating. It's what prompted me to try this site again. They didn't give a lot of detail about how the professional genealogist found out some of the information. Trade secrets I suppose! But it did make me realise that if I can find an occupation for some of these 1700 era ancestors, that might point me in a direction.
I do know that when the Huguenots first arrived in England they had suffered so much that they were happy to immediately assimilate with the native population, and very quickly took on English names and habits. They also hugely boosted the local economies of the areas in which they settled.
Thanks for your reply, I appreciate any help,
Billie Mendav
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Billie -
I am researching the surname Jory / Jorey / Jorry / Jorre from Truro, Cornwall. I have been told they were Huguenots. They were living in Cornwall in the late 1700s to the mid to late 1800s when the family moved to the United States.
Don't know much more than that though.
yn9man
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Like someone else here, I have also been told since a child, that we go back to the french fleeing persercution. The timing seems to infer the Huguenots. Only trouble is that I can get back to 1660's, but can't find anything going back further. The name is Addicott, later to become Addicoat.
Does anyone have any info on this family before the 1660's?
thanks
Jen
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Hi,
I also have Huguenot ancestors, from up to 5 branches of my paternal side, all from the east end of London. I've started compiling a list of Huguenot surnames - from 2 different sources so far.
Billie; just had a quick look, and although this obviously isn't definitive, I can't find anything for Lilley or Bohenna - didn't just do a lookup, I had a look through all the Ls & Bs; my ancestors' name Debuse started out as De Boos!
I did however find Francis/Francois & Julien; it seems both family names came over during the 3rd wave of migration & were "Naturalized by Letters Patent". I haven't researched this era as my families seem to have come over during the 2nd & possibly 1st wave.
yn9man; I didn't find Jory / Jorey / Jorry / Jorre, but I did find Joret; they came over during the 1st wave, i.e. before the reign of Louis XIV., of France. (1643). So they would have had plenty of time to get down to Cornwall & for the name to get modified over the years.
jenvin; I had a quick look for Addicott/Addicoat, plus a look in the Hs (for things like H'addicott) with no luck. I also had a look in the "IGI Batch Numbers for London (including Middlesex)" at freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com. Nothing found in the listing for the French Huguenot church (1600-1698) in Threadneedle Street - as far as I know this was the first Huguenot church in London.
And Billie, I hadn't heard that about assimilating quickly - perhaps that was more common for those who ended up outside London. As far as I can tell, the London immigrants kept their traditions, food & drink & way of life and even their language for quite some time, mainly in Spitalfields and Bethnal Green. I would guess that as they became more prosperous they gradually assimilated & moved out of the 'French' areas, much like the afro-Caribbean & Asian immigrants last(!) century...
And the bit about silk weaving is right - one of my branches were originally part of Huguenot 'society' & quite well off, bringing over their knowledge of the brocade trade, but as far as I can see fell on hard times. All the silk weavers disappeared, mainly being replaced by work associated with the London docks.
Hope the above is useful,
Graeme
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Cadoret -
Many thanks for looking up the Surname Jory and various spelling options. I will look further into the surname Joret. I believe the name has changed several times throughout the years.
Again thanks for taking time to respond to my request.
yn9man
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Looking at your surnames I have an ancestor Joshua Bonhomme/Bonhome who was rector of Calstock at the end of the 1600s. I have traced him back to Jersey, where he's listed as Josue Bohomme, and found his grandfather Guillaume Bonhomme who was a Huguenot rector in St Helier in the 1500s. He arrived in Jersey after escaping persecution in Normandy (he was the rector at a place called Val de Sere which I'm still trying to trace).
Joshua ended up in Cornwall after first serving in Jersey then Leicester (where he was made "chaplain in ordinary" to the king) and it appears that his posting in Cornwall was rather a political one, with in those days Plymouth being Protestant, but the majority of Cornwall still remaining loyal to the Catholic Church.
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Thank you for your reply. My Cornish ancestors were Wesleyan Methodists, but of course they would all have been Roman Catholic at one stage.
Interesting story, and my congratulations at having got so far back.
I think if the Julian family were Huguenots, they must have first landed further east in England and then migrated westwards. The story I was told was that they were lace weavers. Also I was told that their provenance was the west coast of France, either Brittany or Normandy.
I'd really love to solve this one, but I realise my chances are quite slim.
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Specifically for Cadoret:
Can you tell me in which source you looked up the names Francis and Julian? I'm interested in the fact that they came over during the third wave - might make them easier to find. Can you give me approximate dates?
I recently bought a data CD from a genealogy company of names of "Foreign and French Protestants etc" in the hope that this might assist my search, but I am still trawling my way through it. It is very informative though
Thank you for your response, which I appreciate,
Billie
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Hi,
yn9man; I didn't find Jory / Jorey / Jorry / Jorre, but I did find Joret; they came over during the 1st wave, i.e. before the reign of Louis XIV., of France. (1643). So they would have had plenty of time to get down to Cornwall & for the name to get modified over the years.
Hope the above is useful,
Graeme
Thanks for your information. I just spent a few days with my father and he again mentioned the Jory side of his family and they supposedly at been in England quite awhile before heading off to the US. Partial confirmation of your info.
Thanks again and I will continue to look at the name Joret.
yn9man
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I have had a quick look at my disk of Huguenot names, and I find the name JOIRY included. At the moment I can't tell where they were, the disk is new to me and I'm still trying to figure out how to use it properly!
Billie
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Hi Billie -
I have never seen the JOIRY spelling. I will add to my list of possible spelling variations / names.
Many thanks.
yn9man
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I also have been told that my "Dabb" line of rellies was involved with the Huegenots & these ones ended up in Cornwall, England in the 1600's.
I don't have any actual proof of it just stories handed down from my grt. aunts to my dad. Interestingly enough my Australian rellies have heard the same story.
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Hi, I am searching for information about Huguenot's going to Cornwall in the early 1700's. My ancestor, Rene Contencin, left Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou in 1717 and settled in Fowey, Cornwall. He was a vitner and married a widow, Elizabeth Andrews. Her aunt, Elizabeth Bone had a 99 year lease on the Ship Inn and they both worked there.
Rene died in 1729, leaving two children and Elizabeth carried on the lease after her aunt died.
If anyone has seen the Contencin name in relation to Huguenot migration or others in London, I would like to hear from you.
Tassiebelle
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Only been doing this for a couple of days, but my married surname is Twilley, believe from my husband they they decended from the Huegenot's, and his great, great grandparents were something to do with the Twill cotton.
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Hello all,
I'm a newbie, first post. I've revived an old thread, "Re: Huguenots in Cornwall??".
The last post was on Friday O8 January 2010.
My surname, I spell it LANDREY, is French. I have my direct line to a marriage in St. Neots Parish in Cornwall on July 12 1600. 9 children. Their names, Pascowe, Christian, Benedick, Jone, Tamsyn, Orphew etc., are possibly Protestant, possibly Huguenot in origin. That is the family "story" I was raised with.
Is there anyone still following this topic, or who wouldn't mind pointing me to a more fruitful thread?
Thank you ever so much. From Canada, good night and good morning.
Merged with original thread for better response.
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For Lannadrey, that was a really interesting post, sort of proves that there were Huguenots in Cornwall although they are hard to find. I read somewhere that there was a Huguenot church somewhere near Falmouth for a short period of time, then they merged with the local churches. My family story is the same, that there is a Huguenot connection, but I haven't been able to confirm it yet. I started this thread in October 2006 and I'm still searching!
Do you have any of the following names in your tree: Menhennet and variants, Lilley, Francis, Bohenna or Julian?
What I find most interesting is that as I confirm your names on Familysearch, your Landrey folk come from the same areas of Cornwall as mine - St Neot is near Liskeard and Menheniot, and lots of mine lived around East Newlyn and then Truro.
Thanks for the information
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You're welcome, and thank you for your reply.
I can't answer your question about Menhennet, Lilley, Francis, Bohenna or Julian without research, starting with Fred Hancock's PAF. Fred Hancock is the Sheviock Online Parish Clerk. Thank you for reminding me to update/merge my files with Fred's.
I haven't searched on FamilySearch. Have you searched the Cornwall Online Parish Clerk records for the names you are seeking?
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/
My Cornish ancestors were Wesleyan Methodists, but of course they would all have been Roman Catholic at one stage.
Help me with my politics, religio-political :-[ if you can. If Protestant churches were thin on the ground in Cornwall, where would my "benchmark" marriage have been solemnised, that is, was St. Neot Parish a Catholic parish?
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?yr=1600&pr=Neot%2C+St.&gfn=Stephen+&gsn=Laundry&bfn=Elizabeth&bsn=Willes&wit=&records=50&Soundex=Soundex&dbname=marriages&formval=&Submit=Search
Ditto for the baptisms of their nine children, the first nine from 1601 to 1623.
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?yr=16&pr=Neot%2C+St.&forename=&surname=Laundry&father=Stephen&mother=&records=50&Nearby=Nearby&Soundex=Soundex&dbname=baptisms&formval=&Submit=Search
I see births in Liskeard, Menheniot and St. Cleer in my tree.
Don't give up hope of finding your "peeps" as the young folk say on this side of the pond. You started this thread in 2006; it took me until 2011 to pick it up.
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Hello again Billie,
Have you discerned a connection between Menhennet and variants and Menheniot parish?
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/l_m/menheniot.php
I found 18 Menhenicks, 10 Menhinicks and 11 Menhenitts in Fred Hancock's (Sheviock OPC) PAF. St. Mabyn, St. Stephen's by Saltash, Egloshayle (Bronze Age!) Egloshayle is bounded on the south by Bodmin, where I go back a long way. (thank you GENUKI).
Just a wild guess, but if I were "anglicizing" Menhennet those variants, if they are variants, would solve the "French problem". In my case, "Laundry" removes the "French stain".
Speaking of Wesleyan Methodists, my great grandfather Joseph William Landr(e)y's older sister Fanny Rhoda Landr(e)y was christened
13 October 1847 Callington Circuit Wesleyan Register
credit to Fred Hancock's (Sheviock OPC) PAF.
My paper genealogy says of Fanny Rhoda
b. 30 June 1847. She is the only one of the family
whose baptism does not appear in the Sheviock
Registers.
Thank you for bearing with me through two long posts. I learned something today. I learned that Fanny Rhoda, the 9th of 10 recorded, 13 born, had the benefit of Wesleyan clergy.
Persevere!
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You have given me so much to think about, I too will have to do a bit of research before replying properly to your much appreciated posts. But in the meantime, have you seen this resource? It has a very good search engine too, so if you type in the name of Cornish ancestors you just might be lucky.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbritonad/
I have found quite a few of mine. They were a colourful lot.
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Hello Billie,
Thank you, I hadn't heard of the West Briton newspaper. Rather than search my colourful ancestors, I searched "pilchards". My great grandfather Joseph William Landrey wound up the salted pilchard co-operative in Port Wrinkle in 1917. He was the last shareholder. The description in the West Briton of the pilchard run is thrilling.
It is also more palatable than another of my ancestors' pursuits. I'm told they were "wreckers". The sign on the Finnygook Inn in Crafthole bears modern witness: a skeleton bearing a lantern to lure the hapless onto the rocks.
http://www.finnygook.co.uk/index.html
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My surname, I spell it LANDREY, is French. I have my direct line to a marriage in St. Neots Parish in Cornwall on July 12 1600. 9 children. Their names, Pascowe, Christian, Benedick, Jone, Tamsyn, Orphew etc., are possibly Protestant, possibly Huguenot in origin. That is the family "story" I was raised with.
I believe we may well have the same direct line to a marriage in St Neots, Cornwall on 12 Jul 1600 between Stephen Lanndry & Elizabeth Willes/Wills/Will. Stumbled onto this thread and will follow with interest. No stories of Huguenots have filtered down our line to OZ so am intrigued..
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Wow, great to hear from you cocksie! I was intrigued to see such a rapid response to my last post, but OZ makes sense. None of us doing this stuff sleeps anyway, right?
I attach the lineage. My descent is from William, the 8th of 9 children recorded, born October 22nd 1620, 299 years to the day--October 22nd 1919--my dad Joseph Irwin Landrey was born.
This chart ends with my great grandfather, Joseph William Landr(ey).
Well well. I must pause and reflect--how did I stumble upon this thread? The moderators have revived and merged it. And a good thing too!
I look forward to hearing more from you. I've tried to break the "1600 barrier" with no success. That is, Stephen and Elizabeth (3 months' pregnant) married 12 Jul St. Neots, but I cannot find either of them born.
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3.20pm where I live - possibly arvo nap time in OZ but the bulk of us are well and truely awake.
Fascinating. I am a relative newbie at this stuff - so will have to work out an easy way to transmit my line down from Stephen & Elizabeth. In a nutshell, working from your fantastic tree and linking in with what I believe i know:
10ggf Stephen Lanndry & Elizabeth Willes (we share these two)
9ggf William Laundry & Elizabeth (Score? only marriage I can find in the area and around this time 8 Oct 1649) (We share these two)
8ggm Elizabeth Landry 01.05.1659 d. 1737 m. Nicholas Benny 1682
And continue on in Cornwall down from there to arrive in Australia
4ggf Edmund Webb & Mary Geake
I get stuck with Stephen Lanndry (although have collated a document full of pre 1600 Landry/Laundry/Lanndry(etc) titbits/info from around the area that I haven't been able to "link" together in a cohesive manner)
Elizabeth Willes is interesting. Cornwall Family History Society database has multiple variations of the spelling of this surname - Willes, Wills, Will, Wille, Wil, Wylls etc. She COULD have been the daughter of Willm Will and Jone Hawton - chr. Feb 1580 St Neot
Not probably strictly my direct line ... but I love chasing the women down too, particularly when I like the sound of their names.
Will study what you sent (quick scan makes me feel at home with ongoing intermarrying of cousins!) and work out a way to send you something cohesive from my end.
cocksie
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Fascinating indeed. I am newbier than thou :) Such a "noob" that I haven't even filled in my profile basics, family names, areas of interest etc.
I inherited the fantastic tree. Its provenance is Davey. I have a basic grasp of the Landrys, (& variants) Daveys and Trevans (& variants) in my family. Only yesterday thanks to this thread did I make the connection between the "oddity" of my great grand father's older sister Fanny Rhoda's birth not being in the Sheviock register but being registered on the Callington Circuit Wesleyan Register.
Bastards, lots of them. My 4 gggm Annie Cli(y)nnick had a son with John Trevan before she married John Landrey. My great grandfather Jos. Wm. Landrey married his deceased wife's sister and had five more children. What's a fellow to do when his wife dies and leaves him with an infant?
Elizabeth Willes could have been the daughter of Willm Will and Jone Hawton. She COULD have been the daughter of Willm Will and Jone Hawton - chr. Feb 1580 St Neot
Born in St. Neot, married there at age 20, named her daughter Jone and her son William. Good work--I hadn't considered all the variants of the surname. Where do you see the record of her christening Feb. 1580 St Neot?
I agree, the name Jone is due for a revival. What a great name.
And so to bed, to rise to an explanation of "arvo nap time in OZ". ???
Ann
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I've got so many cornish ancestor first cousins intermarrying generation after generation (in both Cornwall and continuing on in OZ in early to mid 1800s) that my father and I now discreetly check each other out to make sure neither of us has a second head about to start growing out of the sides of our necks!
Elizabeth Will chr Feb 1580 to Willm Will & Jone Hawton - came from the Cornwall Family History Society Database (I became a member earlier this year - which has been very worthwhile)
"arvo nap time in Oz" = afternoon sleep in Australia
Sleep well Lannandrey
Will be in touch
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Hi, I'd also like to trace Huguenot ancestors but haven't had any luck at all. It was passed down through my family that the surname Carlyon came from Coeur de Lion and our Ancestors arrived in Cornwall from France to escape persecution. Any information would be very much appreciated.
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Hi babscarly, welcome to RootsChat. Everyone has been super helpful. You say you haven't had any luck at all.
Where have you been searching? As I posted before, I'm very new at this and already "cocksie" found me. We go back 10 generations in the direct line.
cocksie recommeds the Cornwall Family History Society. Hi cocksie, which membership? I'm "non-UK". What's the difference between "individual" and "family"? I could ask the Society, but asking here may answer for us both.
I wish you better luck on RootsChat. Luck's a strange bedfellow. Who was it said, "I worked really hard for xty years then I got lucky". :)
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I went for individual non UK membership (can't remember how much but it seemed very reasonable, particularly when I found everything they had in their online database!). I suspect family would mean that other family members could access using different usernames and passwords - which seems patently mad to me if I think about it so possibly ignore this theory.
cocksie
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Lannandrey
I have been working through my "to do" list, one of the items being to reciprocate with info on my alleged connection with the Lanndryes (and multiple spellings thereof). I think I have attached a chart from William Landrye down to one of my paternal great grandparents (It would be impossible for any of that generation to still be living). The info has been collated by myself so I call it the "alleged" connection and a work in progress! Tried to send it as an attachment with a pm but cannot do it - hence tailored chart to finish where it does. It runs horizontally over several pages - haven't quite mastered the software yet.
cocksie
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Happy New Year!
Thanks for your advice re the Cornwall Family History Society. I submitted my application and await membership. See you there!
Thanks too for attaching your chart. I'll print it and sort it out in my "map room" :) aka the wall! Attaching it gives everyone access to it which is great. We'll see how many other Laundrys come out in the wash.
I see Soby and Sobey in your chart. That's a big name in Canada. Sobeys is a supermarket chain. What software are you using? I should compile my chart into compatible software. And save it in three different places, I know, I know.
I'm confident we share descent from John Laundry and Elizabeth Willes m. 12 July St. Neot. I'm also more confident about your finding Elizabeth Willes's birth in 1580. It's a reasonable inference if she named a daughter Jone after her mother and a son William after her father. Time will tell!
Ann
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Hi, I have a similar help request. I have just discovered a Huguenot connection in my tree, the surname is Gruzelier. The actual link is Anne Gruzelier born in Madron, Cornwall in 1701 to parents Jean Gruzelier (b1670) & Magdalene Bilbau (b1680). That is the only information that I have & researching a Huguenot line is a new venture for me so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Might be worth a look in the Huguenot Society's library if you haven't done so already:-
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ (http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/)
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Hello coxsie,
We've been out of touch for almost 2 years! Where does the time go? Rhetorical question.
I'm happy to report that my "genealogy binges" followed by long periods of digestion and reflection are shared by other Landreys and variants, including My American Cousin Lynn Smith in West Virginia, CFHS Member Number 23255 who emailed August 1,
Thank you so much for getting back in touch. Since I first started this whole genealogy thing some 20+ years ago, I seem to be following a pattern of absolutely manic activity, followed by long dry spells. I'm suddenly all inspired again!
She too is striving to confirm her descent from William Landry (I'll use that spelling rather than flip back and forth).
The PDF of her connection with us is too big to attach. :( I'm certain that I'm descended from William. Today's goosebumpy headsmack is his birthday: October 22nd 1620. My dad Joseph Irwin Landrey (deceased September 24 2004) was born October 22nd 1919. 299 years apart heck, lets make that 300. As my parents used to say "good enough for government work".
I've also been in contact with my cousin (used loosely I haven't mastered numbers and removes) Brenda Quintrell CFHS Member Number 01839. She's been a member of the CFHS so long she's one of the "renumbered".
I hope this message finds you well. If you get back in touch we should exchange real emails. My name is Ann Landrey, my email is ann.landrey@gmail.com
Ann