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Help please
Can anyone find please Owen Francis McDevitt born apparently on 3 Nov 1883 ( info from USA) in Buncrana on the 1901 census . I cannot find him ? His father is possibly John William Mcdaid.
He went to USA in 1907 and died in 1939 in Butte Montana.
Thank you
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Hi, from the info you have given looks like this may be your Owen:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Illies/Meendacalliagh/1182064/
Called McDaid in Census
Birth record 1883 CP of Buncranna, Owen McDaid fathers name John, mothers name Mary
Regards
Joe
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Thank you so much, that is him and his father. Interestingly I have his grandfather John Thomas Mcdaid being Born 13 Sept 1828 in Buncrana - would anyone know how this exact date can be verified as prior to civil registration. Also have his grandadfather as Neil Joseph born 1809 and his great great gradnfather as John born 1780 married to an unknown McLaughlin. Any idea how this info can have been sourced ? Thank you for your help.
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The normal way of ascertaining age pre civil registration is through baptism records. However from looking at the PRONI website it doesn't look as though the RC records for that parish go back that far. Gravestones or family bibles might be the only likely alternative sources.
R.C. Desertegny and Lower Fahan (Buncrana) (Derry diocese)
[Desertegny forms part of the Roman Catholic parish of Desertegny and Lower Fahan]
Baptisms, 1864-81; marriages, 1871-82.
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Going back to the Census record, a note of caution, I see your Owen emigrated in 1907, looks like the Owen from the above record was still living with father in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Illies/Meendacalliagh/492349/
Regards
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You are right , unfortunately that is not my McDaid as indeed Owen (John) was in USA by this time and his wife was a Mary Ellen. I have copied below all the family tree as best I can. I think the first step is finding JOhn (Owen) with maybe his sister Ellen and brother Michael.
The family were obviously in Canada at some time ??
Can anyone find Owen born in 1883 in Buncrana please. I just need to get one evidenced source in Ireland to start.
Living McDevitt b. 1941 (Butte,Montana)
James Joseph McDevitt b. 1915 , Montana died ??
Owen(John) Francis Mcdaid married Mary Ellen Haran
3 Nov 1883 - 19 Aug 1938 (Butte , Montana) Abt 1896- 17/1/1948
Buncrana
John William McDaid married 1st wife Mary Ann McKinney
Abt 1860- b. 18 Nov 1869 Malin died Abt 1894 (Buncrana)
2nd Wife
Catherine "Kitty" Coyle
3 children : Michael, John (above) and Ellen Abt 1869 (co. Tyronne) died 31 Jan 1913
Ontario,Canada.
John Thomas Mcdaid married Sarah"Big sally" Kelly
13 Sept 1828 - 26 Feb 1836 -
Buncrana Buncrana
Neil Joseph Mcdaid married Mary McGuire
Abt 1809 - Abt 1796
Buncrana Buncrana
John McDaid married Unknown McLachan John McGuire Sarah McDaid
Abt 1780 Illes(Buncrana)
Buncrana
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Hi, ok hopefully this is the correct family, some inconsistencies with your information but I think I maybe on right track
John (William) McDaid married Mary McKinney 1873 Civil Parish of Buncranna, John's fathers name was William on marriage record.
I have birth records for following children of the couple:
Mary 1875
Ellen 1877
Sarah 1879
Elizabeth 1880
Owen 1883
William 1885
all registered at Buncranna CP
Also 5 of the above names in Buncranna RC Church records as well as Patrick McDaid 1882
John McDaid married Catherine Coyle in same Parish in 1887, Johns fathers name again recorded as William
see birth record for daughter Rose to this couple in 1886
Family in 1901 Census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Mintiaghs/Shadran/1182155/
Had Owen already left family home by this time?
Regards
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Thank you so much
Looks like there are many errors on the tree that I have been sent which is as I thought. But with all the info you have given me looks like it can be sorted out.
Mary 1875
Ellen 1877
Sarah 1879
Elizabeth 1880
Owen 1883
William 1885
Are the above the children then of John William McDaids first marriage to Mary McKinney ??
On the 1901 census you've attached , there are many other children shown including ROSE - ellen, cassie , annie etc - are these children of his first marriage to Mary McKinney or of the 2nd marriage to Catherine Coyle . Why is John shown as William on 1901 census ? .
You mention you have copies of records of the 5 children and Patrick . Would it be possible to be emailed copies please . I'll PM you.
Owen did not leave home until 1907.
Catherine Coyle is shown as dead in Canada in 1913 ? I am assuming William and her must have emmigrated. I have found Owen and brother Patrick in Montana on 1930 census.
Many thnaks for all your help. Sorry for all the questions just a bit confused,
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further to above just found William ( alias John) and catherine on 1911 census. Cannot see that they emmigated to canada where they have her ded in 1913. Must be another error on the McDevitt tree.
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Mary 1875
Ellen 1877
Sarah 1879
Elizabeth 1880
Owen 1883
William 1885
The above births are all registered Civil Parish of Buncranna, parents John McDaid, Mary McKinney
The record for Patrick comes from the Roman Catholic baptism also Buncranna, same parents
I don't have access to full records these are from indexed and advanced searches on a couple of different databases, some of the births from the 1870's are available on the family search site
https://www.familysearch.org/
Use advanced search and in put parents names, John McDaid, Mary McKinney, (you'll see there is yet another son William McDaid born 1874)
As for the children not included am not sure, Sarah isn't on Census but may have died or been living elsewhere, don't see a birth record for Cassie, wondering was Sarah also known as Cassie, (birth dates close.)
Rose is from second marriage as is John, think all other children are from first marriage.
Also the grandchild is daughter Mary's son I think, child Edward McLaughlin baptised 1895 Buncranna RC Church father John McLauglin, mother Mary McDaid
Regards
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Thank you , I'll look at the FS site now. I wonder why John called himself William in the 1901 and 191 census ?
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Not sure why the confusion in names, I see from your records you had him listed as John William McDaid so perhaps the 2 names were interchangeable.
From John's marriage record his fathers name is William, whilst your records have him as John, again he may have been known by both names. There is a record of a John McDevitt in the Griffth Valuation farming in BALLINTLIEVE townland Parish of Mintiaghs or Barr of Inch, the same parish where William/John is farming in 1901, speculation but this may be the same person substantial farm (for Ireland) at the time 30acres, appears to be a Cicley McDaid (Widow) living on the farm in 1901 but the land may have been divided on fathers death
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Mintiaghs/Ballintlieve/1182222/
Unfortunately don't see any Will records that may have backed the theory
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Interestingly trying to find first wife Marys Mcdaid (Johns 1st wife) death on pay site but cant find it ! Can find 2 marys who died 1883 and 1884 but not her as William born 1885 and as he re-married in 1887 I assume she must have died or am I missing something ?
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Sorry, I see a mistake on my part, the birth record for William is 1874 not 1885, its the same as the record on the family search site. The last confirmed birth for Mary is Owen in 1883. The death record will be one of the 2 you mention either 1883 or 84
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Thank you
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Oh dear just purchased both of these but cant be right. Show an 80 and 90 year old mary - both widows. Cant be as Marys husband John re-married catherine ?
Oh dear again, just looking at william and catherine on 1911 census and shows them married 44 years i.e. 1867 - thats before he married his 1st wife ??
Sorry, I see a mistake on my part, the birth record for William is 1874 not 1885, its the same as the record on the family search site. The last confirmed birth for Mary is Owen in 1883. The death record will be one of the 2 you mention either 1883 or 84
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Apologies could you possibly let me know where you found the marriage for JOhn and catherine Coyle, cant find it anywhere? Thank you.
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This family are proving difficult! Maybe take a step back and consolidate the information you have before jumping in too quick, I was confident either of those 2 records would have been correct, I always check against the Civil records that are available, looking through them there dosen't appear to be any suitable death records, didn't take my own advise!!
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary~%20%2Bsurname%3Amcdaid~
%20%2Bdeath_place%3Ainishowen%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1883-1893~&collection_id=1408347
The marriage is on the roots ireland site 1887 Buncranna CP Catherine Coyle, John McDaid
I think they may have been confused when filling in the 1911 census form, don't know for sure though
confusing!
Regards
Joe
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Ha ha you are so right, very confusing !! This relative of mine has done a beautiful family tree on a colour poster but the problem is the information is FULL of errors. The only thing I'm guessing is Mary wasnt too old when she died , I'm assuming she died ! The very strange thing is they have catherine dying in Canada !! did odd to emmigrate age 70 !! But at least one thing I do know is that Owen and brother Patrick defo did emmigrate, 1907, 1906. The search continues. Thank you
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Hi,
I have just started doing my family tree. I found this post.
On the tree I have I have a John McDaid who married an Anne McKinney and then a Kitty Coyle. I have one son listed under Kitty as Mick.
Going back from John McDaid I have his father as William and mother Mary Kelly. They had John and two other sons (Cornelius and Dominick) and two daughters (Mary Anne and Sally)
I have no further back on Williams tree but Mary Kelly's parents were Cornelius (1806-1870) and Margaret (Peggotty) McDaid.
I can go back another generation on both sides of Cornelius and Margaret. Interestingly Cornelius's father Owen was married twice one of which was to an Annie McKinney!!!
These may be your relatives
Regards
Kevin
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All the above are my family, and I can confirm the details. Are your family Mcdaids. How have you managed to get further back on Mary Kelly ? as there are no records before 1864. can you please PM me and I can fwd my email to you. Thank you.
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New members usually need 3 posts to use PM system. See Help pages-
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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I will make two posts and then you hopefully can PM me.
On my tree Mary Kelly's parents were Cornelius and Margaret.
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Cornelius father was Owen born 1780 and he was married twice.
Cornelius's wife Margaret was actually a McDaid and parents were John and Mary. They had 8 children in total 5 boys and 3 girls but I have no dates for them.
Hope this helps.
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Just sent you a PM response and mail
Kevin
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In amongst this thread I saw "John McGuire Sarah McDaid".
Was that a marriage?
What year, county?
THANKS
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Hi, I don't know if you are still looking for info but I have been corresponding with Owen McDevitt/McDaids granddaughter from Butte. Such a lovely lady. As I can see any names here I'm not sure if it is her that is writing on this board.
Eimer
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Hi Eimer
Think the lady you speak of is indeed my cousin. Don't know if you also are a McDevitt. Please feel free to contact me.
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Hi Im not sure that this thread is still relevant and that the Owen MCDaid you refer to in earlier posts was correct, if so the Owen McDaid born 1883 to Mary Anne McKinney and John McDaid was probably named after her father Owen McKinney Upper Illies. I am related to these McKinneys.
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Hi,
I have just started doing my family tree. I found this post.
On the tree I have I have a John McDaid who married an Anne McKinney and then a Kitty Coyle. I have one son listed under Kitty as Mick.
Going back from John McDaid I have his father as William and mother Mary Kelly. They had John and two other sons (Cornelius and Dominick) and two daughters (Mary Anne and Sally)
I have no further back on Williams tree but Mary Kelly's parents were Cornelius (1806-1870) and Margaret (Peggotty) McDaid.
I can go back another generation on both sides of Cornelius and Margaret. Interestingly Cornelius's father Owen was married twice one of which was to an Annie McKinney!!!
These may be your relatives
Regards
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
I am wondering if we may have a connection. The Domnick you mention, was he married to Mary McCallion? If so it looks like you have my gggrandfather Domnick.
Regards
Mag